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Offline SidusNare

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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 19 July 2013, 23:53:23 »
If nothing else you can use foremost to get some of your data back. I think backtrack has it.  Youll need another Hard Drive.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 20 July 2013, 01:23:23 »
Missed most of this, and it seems to have been more or less resolved, but here's a few hints, if things go bad with drives.

1 - Rip the drive out and stick it in an external enclosure.
2 - Boot using Linux / *BSD / etc
3 - Turn off automounting for external devices.
4 - Connect drive, and get it to detect.  This may take some time and hair-pulling
5 - image the disk using ddrescue.  See stage 4
6 - Unplug the disk and put it away.
7 - make a copy of the image, and start your recovery efforts on that.

never, never, never run disk recovery tools on an actual disk.

The sequence of events above /should/ be

1 - remove drive, throw it in the bin, and replace it.
2 - restore from backups.

But we know how likely that is, don't we :)

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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 20 July 2013, 12:21:38 »
I'm just curious who told Calavera it would be okay to do a quick format!!!
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 20 July 2013, 12:36:26 »
I'm just curious who told Calavera it would be okay to do a quick format!!!

His ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 09:55:07 »
You can try to find a NAS that uses a RADI1 configuration (if they exist?). Otherwise I'd recommend 2TB drives. I've heard nothing but trouble from anyone using 3TB's, and knock on wood, nothing bad from the 2TB's. If you have extra parts lying around, an extra computer can become a file server as well.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 10:17:22 »
I've heard nothing but trouble from anyone using 3TB's, and knock on wood, nothing bad from the 2TB's.

We must be nearing the limit on miniaturization. Nano technology is great, and I think that it will be revolutionary in some areas, but I cannot believe that individual atoms can be trusted to stay in the same place at the same state indefinitely.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 16:54:07 »
You can try to find a NAS that uses a RADI1 configuration (if they exist?). Otherwise I'd recommend 2TB drives. I've heard nothing but trouble from anyone using 3TB's, and knock on wood, nothing bad from the 2TB's. If you have extra parts lying around, an extra computer can become a file server as well.
Off the shelf NAS systems are insanely over-priced for what you get.
By the time you buy one that performs half way decent (most cheap ones operate at USB 2.0 speeds), you could have built a Core I3 Mini-ITX system with more storage and speeds 5 times faster. Not to mention you could use it as a file server, web cam stream, firewall, file downloader, etc... At idle, which is where they spend most of their time, even a Core I7 idles down to nearly the same power as an Atom based system.

If the board you pick supports it, at current drive prices it's quite a bit cheaper to go with multiple 1Tb ($70 each) drives than a single 2Tb ($180 each).  This would give you more than enough speed to max out a gigabit connection.

Some 2Tb drives have had issues, but only a few. I have heard grumblings about the 3's, their prices are still too high for most people to bother.
I had one of my 2Tb drives die, but it was due to a bad PSU. Replacing it, cost me almost double what I paid for the first ones.


We must be nearing the limit on miniaturization. Nano technology is great, and I think that it will be revolutionary in some areas, but I cannot believe that individual atoms can be trusted to stay in the same place at the same state indefinitely.
Floods in Thailand and the surge for online storage is keeping prices high. I was looking at prices the other day, and you can tell the industry is buying the larger drives in bulk, the jump from 1Tb to 2TB is nutty (way more than double the price). Crazy to think that 4 years later, I could sell my 2Tb drives for a profit.

Doesn't matter, in a couple years, SSDs will completely destroy the drive market anyhow.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 17:22:29 »
If you have a NAS or fileserver with RAID you still need to perform routine backups of those devices (unless you are backing up to those devices.) Calavera was using the 3TB as extra storage space not as a backup drive.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 17:29:04 »
Doesn't matter, in a couple years, SSDs will completely destroy the drive market anyhow.

I have a couple of good-quality drives that I use for storage. I bought them new and do not use them as "daily" drivers so they have very little mileage on them. I trust them to keep my data long-term.

Do you foresee SSDs being as "dependable" as HD technology for the long haul (ie 1-2 decades and/or until technology completely re-invents itself again)?
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 17:32:32 »
Most of the IBM servers we deploy have SAS SSDs if not attached to a SAN and even then they do. They are more reliable than HDDs.

And you are right fohat 3TB is pushing the limit of perpendicular recording in HDDs.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 22 July 2013, 20:40:15 »
I have a couple of good-quality drives that I use for storage. I bought them new and do not use them as "daily" drivers so they have very little mileage on them. I trust them to keep my data long-term.

Do you foresee SSDs being as "dependable" as HD technology for the long haul (ie 1-2 decades and/or until technology completely re-invents itself again)?
As Smknjoe said, more and more servers are switching to them (Ebay, I believe is all SSD now and it saves them a ton of money). Your phone already has one. The Bios in your computers use similar technology and they are decades old, so it's not new technology, just a new use because it has gotten cheap and fast enough in large enough capacity.

So obviously long term storage isn't an issue for them (they are also smaller, more efficient, faster, withstand shock better and can be waterproofed), it's the constant write and re-writes that kills them and not only is that getting better, but also entirely overblown. Yes, constant writes will harm them, but they are smart and reshuffle data so that one spot doesn't wear faster than the rest. Anything getting that much abuse isn't going to last long regardless (as server admins how long drives last). They will last plenty long in a desktop so long as it it's not always 80% full. Remember, most of your data is written once then rarely changes. Cache is actually the only thing that changes often and even most of that remains constant. It's only a few megs that are constantly being re-written.

But... For your computer, it won't matter.

I always tell people expect 5 years from a desktop, which a properly sized SSD should handle, but even that is almost irrelevant as the home desktop will be dead in 5-10 years anyhow. By then, your phone will be as capable as your desktop is now, and have a wireless display, mouse and keyboard. It will have a desktop interface when you connect to a big screen.  I suspect tablets and notebooks will follow a similar strategy, becoming little more than varying screen size/interfaces that all run from your phone wirelessly. The Unbuntu phone (not the OS, the phone they plan to build) is exactly as I describe, there is also the Clambook, which uses your phone for the notebook's processor and HD (it's in development), and there was the Motorola Atrix, that did similar, but was waaaaaay overpriced and never took off. Apple designed IOS as a branch of OSX, and Win8 is designed for tablets, desktops and to a lesser degree phones. .

We are currently working backwards, we always have our phone with us, and our data stored elsewhere, then try to sync everything. This is wrong. Store everything in your phone, it's right there, and simply run everything from it. Most newer phones can already do this, they only lack a desktop interface (just an app), the wireless screen (Intel has it, it's just not efficient enough for a phone) and the storage (which is coming). Many already have HDMI output and with a bluetooth mouse and keyboard you can already do this. You can also use a USB OTG cable on some devices, which allow you to connect anything USB to your phone. So the groundwork is already in place, it's only a matter of time. I have already used my phone this way, and those new watches that connect to your phone... There you go.

We will still have desktops in the form of workstations for work because you need a bit more grunt and employers would prefer the data to remain on site, servers will of course still be needed, but for homes, expect the desktop tower to disappear, and probably for tablets and notebooks to lose their processors and drives. For extra storage, NAS and home file servers will become more and more common for storing movies and music collections. This has already started, Seagate and Western Digital already sell network connected backup drives, which is just a single drive NAS. Expect all of that to change some as well though, as file servers and NAS boxes don't need a lot of power, you can already run them from a phone, too.

The old saying, everything old becomes new again...
This is basically a return to "dumb terminals", where you have an interface to a mainframe, except in this case, your phone serves as the mainframe. This is why Microsoft is in panic mode and pushing Windows 8 and why Intel is getting into ARM. They both MUST get into the phone market before they become relegated to strictly server rooms and workstations. Intel knows they waited too long and MS is trying to leverage their desktop OS into a phone/tablet OS, which as thus far been a disaster for them.


All those people who (some from the get go) predicted the death of the desktop... Were morons. You have to have something to replace it, something not necessarily faster or more powerful, but something relatively capable, and much more convenient. Until now, there really wasn't anything capable of it.  Yes, you could use a laptop as a desktop, but it was a hassle and only offered a minimal experience. It wasn't enough and you had to buy the notebook and adapters. Everyone pretty much has a phone and they already destroyed the GPS market and MP3 player market. Now they are aimed squarely at console gaming, and once that is done, desktops will be next. While it sounds revolutionary, it's actually more evolutionary, as I said, the basics are already there.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 23:06:16 »
Looks like I joined in on this conversation a little too late. Generally speaking if your drive's partition table is hosed it can be repaired. The best thing you can do in the event of a corrupt partition table is make a sector copy of the drive (think dd). Clearly that requires access to a second large disk, but it saves a LOT of pain in the end. This way anything you do can be restored easily enough.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 23 July 2013, 23:38:03 »
Actually I could still use the info. How do I go about doing a sector copy? Are you talking about something like ghost drive back up?

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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 00:05:28 »
I covered that in post #10 (as with everything else that is pertinent.) Clone it with whatever you like. Ultimate Boot CD has several tools. You still need use data recovery software on the clone drive to get the data back. Cloning in and of itself does not recover anything.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 21:16:47 »
Right, cloning is just a precautionary measure taken to ensure you don't lose or destroy what data is on the drive before you start your recovery process. Tools like Acronis true image, ghost, dd in *nix land come to mind.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 21:59:37 »
I've come to prefer Active Disk Image, preferably on a USB stick, I keep one in my work bag.
Acronis is nice, but I have seen it have problems with certain Windows boot sectors if they have been altered in some form, such as cracked copies of Windows. Active Disk, doesn't care and just images the whole thing regardless.  I've found it to be more reliable.

Ghost, last I used it was quite dated, but was the most reliable, the problem with Ghost is you can't easily pull files back out of it without extracting the image to a drive. Active Disk Image and True Image, you can load up the image and pull files out as needed through a small program. This is handy while on site and realizing you missed something before wiping out a system.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 24 July 2013, 23:17:09 »
I have never used Active Disk Image, but it sounds as good as any if not better. My experience with disk imaging is a bit dated. I normally just do things the old fashioned way - I may check it out though. Always good to update to newer tech or better software.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 10:17:52 »

Ghost, last I used it was quite dated, but was the most reliable, the problem with Ghost is you can't easily pull files back out of it without extracting the image to a drive. Active Disk Image and True Image, you can load up the image and pull files out as needed through a small program. This is handy while on site and realizing you missed something before wiping out a system.

I know Ghost 14 allows you to do what you describe. I haven't used any versions prior to that. Also, I'm surprised to see no love for testdisk in this thread (unless I just missed it).

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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 28 July 2013, 02:42:30 »
To the OP: Where did you buy the 3TB drive? Newegg, perhaps? I've read a bunch of reviews on Newegg for those 3TB Green drives, and a lot of people were complaining that the 3TB drives bought from Newegg, specifically, were failing, while 3TB drives bought from retail stores were doing fine. Maybe a bunch of people at the Newegg warehouses are messing around with the shipments.

I have a couple of 3TB drives myself (one from Hitachi, and another Green drive from WD), and they've been doing well for a year now (knock on wood). Both were purchased from retail stores.


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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 28 July 2013, 17:54:40 »
To the OP: Where did you buy the 3TB drive? Newegg, perhaps? I've read a bunch of reviews on Newegg for those 3TB Green drives, and a lot of people were complaining that the 3TB drives bought from Newegg, specifically, were failing, while 3TB drives bought from retail stores were doing fine. Maybe a bunch of people at the Newegg warehouses are messing around with the shipments.

I have a couple of 3TB drives myself (one from Hitachi, and another Green drive from WD), and they've been doing well for a year now (knock on wood). Both were purchased from retail stores.

I bought them from amazon.

Budget USB controllers are dangerous.

I did a full check on my drives (7~8 freaking hours each) and none had bad sectors. I'm suspecting the cheap ass dockI used to transfer data could beat fault here because everything else seems fine. I have solid components in my PC, I didn't cut corners with anything when I built it a few years ago.

And every time the hdd went to **** it was in the dock. Happened a total of three times now over the past few years.

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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 28 July 2013, 18:39:06 »
Cables are also problematic, especially runs over 6 foot.
That 15 foot USB limit, won't reliably happen on cheap parts, and trying to, can result in damages peripherals.

My entire system is on 10-15 foot cables due to my setup, and I had a heck of a time. Almost had a $300 video card warrantied over bad cables, almost replaces $500 in monitors as well.
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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 28 July 2013, 21:31:01 »
To the OP: Where did you buy the 3TB drive? Newegg, perhaps? I've read a bunch of reviews on Newegg for those 3TB Green drives, and a lot of people were complaining that the 3TB drives bought from Newegg, specifically, were failing, while 3TB drives bought from retail stores were doing fine. Maybe a bunch of people at the Newegg warehouses are messing around with the shipments.

I have a couple of 3TB drives myself (one from Hitachi, and another Green drive from WD), and they've been doing well for a year now (knock on wood). Both were purchased from retail stores.

I bought them from amazon.

Budget USB controllers are dangerous.

I did a full check on my drives (7~8 freaking hours each) and none had bad sectors. I'm suspecting the cheap ass dockI used to transfer data could beat fault here because everything else seems fine. I have solid components in my PC, I didn't cut corners with anything when I built it a few years ago.

And every time the hdd went to **** it was in the dock. Happened a total of three times now over the past few years.


I see... I've also heard Amazon's packaging of hard-drives is pretty atrocious as well. Maybe that might have had something to do with it?

Or it could also be your docks, as you say.

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Re: My HDD cannot be detected any more, help!
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 29 July 2013, 02:37:19 »
Budget USB controllers are dangerous.

100% agree. You should replace that thing if this keep getting corrupted disks. Get something with USB 3.0 or eSATA at least. I can't really recommend a good enclosure all of my experiences have been with external hdds and they've bone awesome. I use my WD passport 320gb on my wii and it works amazing. No problems.
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