IRC Homophobic?

[esoomenona]

So it was brought to my attention last night that IRC was the grounds of much discussion about me. Now, this doesn't bother me. In fact, most of those people who were talking are the kind to smile in my face here, and run and talk about me there, and I don't concern myself with those kinds of people.

But I also noticed that IRC seems to be the breeding ground for hatred of not just me, but an entire community of people. Talking about or hating me? That's fine. I can take it. But why do you feel so tough behind your IRC walls that you can use words hateful to so many more people?

<dubsgalore> ****ing ***gots on a confidence high
<meeba> CAN YOU HEAR ME  YOU ****ING ***GOTS

Not only do they use this word, but they have created a new word, which is even worse, in my opinion. Really? You change some letters to make it funnier? Or more hateful?

<dubsgalore> moose is a cocky feggit
<dubsgalore> and we dont like feggits

You may think I'm some troll or mean person, but is this okay? I know geekhack has no control over IRC, but those people are also here. They would never say these things on the site, but they feel big behind closed doors.

[SpAmRaY]

And if you said these things on IRC, you would probably be banned/kicked...am I right? What if they were using racial slurs instead?

No need for hate speak anywhere.

And I know everyone likes to 'chat' in the IRC but I still don't understand how it's passed off as not being a part of geekhack since there is a link to it in the menu bar. I still think there should at least be a warning when clicking through saying geekhack has no affiliation with the IRC channel.

[Photoelectric]

Too many generally angry people in this community, I noticed that a while ago =/  I don't know what it is about keyboards that attracts such contingent.  I mean putting pretty keycaps on colorfully anodized keyboards should mean a happy place, no?

[Tym]

Thats abit sharp

[tp4tissue]

I've found that most people in the real world are crass..

It would follow that most people online are crass..

I don't know why you're surprised..


It isn't that they're any different or worse people,, They just have a different MODE of expression.

I do not consider myself above these people.. it is merely that I use alternative wording to express my dissatisfaction.

[Tarzan]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

[SpAmRaY]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

I'm pretty sure as far as any mods/admins are concerned IRC is a completely separate entity and has no bearing on anything at geekhack.

[funkymeeba]

Hey guys, I really mean no harm when I go on my joke yelling rounds. Just the same, I should have kept that out of GH, and I'm sorry if I drove anyone away with that. dfj probably would have kicked me for that if he had seen it happen.

[tp4tissue]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

it is not unacceptable speech, not what so ever, 

We try to be more polite in public, that is because afk things can turn physically violent, and so to reduce the chance of that, we formed a social agreement to be verbally ameliorate.

However, this new DIGITAL life that we live must be regarded separate with its own rules // norms // tolerances.


I remember when I first learned of the word "gay" in 1st grade. I didn't know what it meant, only that it was derogatory.

Everyone around me eventually found out what it meant a week later, but continued to use it until at least 8th grade with little thought of its implications. 

And THIS DAY,   I still closely associate the term "gay" with "oddity" and "misplacement".

I know to be tame in public and not shout, in fact I am quite adept at saying the right thing in public.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that most of the time, if something doesn't go right, i think "this sh111tt is gay"..

In my mind however, there is complete separation from (homosexual gay)  and the situation is (gay)// gone worse

I just seldom use the term itself due to the social sensitivity training we all go through as young adults, but it is still close to what I'd actually use....


My point is,  it's just a word.... The people who has used it, are NOT actively trying to harm gay people... and to my knowledge there hasn't been any active complaint from homosexual forum members.. 


This matter is a non-issue...

[JPG]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

I'm pretty sure as far as any mods/admins are concerned IRC is a completely separate entity and has no bearing on anything at geekhack.

I don't think it has anything to do with admins. It has to do with having respect. There is no reason to lack respect to someone, might it be in GH, on IRC or anywhere. If you disagree with someone, well disagree. But no need to hate. It will do nothing good anyway. You hate someone? Good for you, but no need to tell the world or be rude.

What's more, most of this hate comes from very silly reasons most of the time. Moose has expressed his opinion on many subjects recently, like the classifieds. You can agree or disagree, but he never lacked respect in his comments and never pretended to hold the absolute truth about anything.

C'mon people, less drama more awesome keyboards. 

[ComradeSniper]

I don't really see why this is such a big deal, it's childish, but I really doubt anyone truly meant to be inflammatory toward anyone else.

Maybe there's more to it than I realize, but that's my two cents.

[tp4tissue]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

I'm pretty sure as far as any mods/admins are concerned IRC is a completely separate entity and has no bearing on anything at geekhack.

I don't think it has anything to do with admins. It has to do with having respect. There is no reason to lack respect to someone, might it be in GH, on IRC or anywhere. If you disagree with someone, well disagree. But no need to hate. It will do nothing good anyway. You hate someone? Good for you, but no need to tell the world or be rude.

What's more, most of this hate comes from very silly reasons most of the time. Moose has expressed his opinion on many subjects recently, like the classifieds. You can agree or disagree, but he never lacked respect in his comments and never pretended to hold the absolute truth about anything.

C'mon people, less drama more awesome keyboards. 

You're thinking too far beyond the INTENT of the people who said those words.

GAY is quite universal short-hand term for "oddity" or a "situation gone awry"...


VERY few people who "actively" harm denounce denounce homosexuals actually exist.

[tp4tissue]

I don't really see why this is such a big deal, it's childish, but I really doubt anyone truly meant to be inflammatory toward anyone else.

Exactly.. this guy gets it..

I know you guys are not reading my text walls.. but it's all in there...

[tp4tissue]

Here is an emoticon, because I was typing so fast I couldn't slow to include one.

[SpAmRaY]

Just read this on facebook....people are mean

Looking for a free puppy for my kids their grandma stole theirs and they are very heartbroken so plz if you know where any are it is greatly appreciated. I am located in city and have no transportation right now so would have to meet in town. Thank you

[JPG]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

it is not unacceptable speech, not what so ever, 

We try to be more polite in public, that is because afk things can turn physically violent, and so to reduce the chance of that, we formed a social agreement to be verbally ameliorate.

However, this new DIGITAL life that we live must be regarded separate with its own rules // norms // tolerances.


I remember when I first learned of the word "gay" in 1st grade. I didn't know what it meant, only that it was derogatory.

Everyone around me eventually found out what it meant a week later, but continued to use it until at least 8th grade with little thought of its implications. 

And THIS DAY,   I still closely associate the term "gay" with "oddity" and "misplacement".

I know to be tame in public and not shout, in fact I am quite adept at saying the right thing in public.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that most of the time, if something doesn't go right, i think "this sh111tt is gay"..

In my mind however, there is complete separation from (homosexual gay)  and the situation is (gay)// gone worse

I just seldom use the term itself due to the social sensitivity training we all go through as young adults, but it is still close to what I'd actually use....


My point is,  it's just a word.... The people who has used it, are NOT actively trying to harm gay people... and to my knowledge there hasn't been any active complaint from homosexual forum members.. 


This matter is a non-issue...

I used to think the same. Until I went for the birthday of a friend at a restaurant where we gathered. My friend's brother is gay and I have no problem with (nor should I) and he's a nice guy. But after some wine, I got into a conversation about the "new" star wars movies and said a comment about how I found that Anakin looked gay when trying to be "pissed or evil". I realized what I had just said 2 seconds too late. Since this day, I am much more careful when saying this word. In the end, it's not about your intention, it's about the impact it can have on others. I am not gay myself, but from what is evident there's much more hate towards them than needed (none is needed in fact). So there's no need to add any. Just find a new words that harms no one.

[tp4tissue]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

it is not unacceptable speech, not what so ever, 

We try to be more polite in public, that is because afk things can turn physically violent, and so to reduce the chance of that, we formed a social agreement to be verbally ameliorate.

However, this new DIGITAL life that we live must be regarded separate with its own rules // norms // tolerances.


I remember when I first learned of the word "gay" in 1st grade. I didn't know what it meant, only that it was derogatory.

Everyone around me eventually found out what it meant a week later, but continued to use it until at least 8th grade with little thought of its implications. 

And THIS DAY,   I still closely associate the term "gay" with "oddity" and "misplacement".

I know to be tame in public and not shout, in fact I am quite adept at saying the right thing in public.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that most of the time, if something doesn't go right, i think "this sh111tt is gay"..

In my mind however, there is complete separation from (homosexual gay)  and the situation is (gay)// gone worse

I just seldom use the term itself due to the social sensitivity training we all go through as young adults, but it is still close to what I'd actually use....


My point is,  it's just a word.... The people who has used it, are NOT actively trying to harm gay people... and to my knowledge there hasn't been any active complaint from homosexual forum members.. 


This matter is a non-issue...

I used to think the same. Until I went for the birthday of a friend at a restaurant where we gathered. My friend's brother is gay and I have no problem with (nor should I) and he's a nice guy. But after some wine, I got into a conversation about the "new" star wars movies and said a comment about how I found that Anakin looked gay when trying to be "pissed or evil". I realized what I had just said 2 seconds too late. Since this day, I am much more careful when saying this word. In the end, it's not about your intention, it's about the impact it can have on others. I am not gay myself, but from what is evident there's much more hate towards them than needed (none is needed in fact). So there's no need to add any. Just find a new words that harms no one.

Good post JPG..

That is a very good example of why we tame speech in public..

Online is another story..


another side of the story is: It is also true that MANY gay people are total shh1117 people...

They will selfishly put their agenda in your face as if that was the only thing that mattered...  if simply to be an attention ****..


And then there are those normal people who try to troll by attaching themselves to the gay agenda, not only is that ineffective, it damages the agenda's image and importance...

IDK who is worse.

[funkymeeba]

Also, allow me to point out how awesome these call-out threads are. I get to feel like I'm truly a fancy, fresh public nuisance.

tp4, is this how it feels to be loved by the public? I can't even make Jerkcity jokes without calls to hang 'em high (truly hung style, yo).

[JPG]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

it is not unacceptable speech, not what so ever, 

We try to be more polite in public, that is because afk things can turn physically violent, and so to reduce the chance of that, we formed a social agreement to be verbally ameliorate.

However, this new DIGITAL life that we live must be regarded separate with its own rules // norms // tolerances.


I remember when I first learned of the word "gay" in 1st grade. I didn't know what it meant, only that it was derogatory.

Everyone around me eventually found out what it meant a week later, but continued to use it until at least 8th grade with little thought of its implications. 

And THIS DAY,   I still closely associate the term "gay" with "oddity" and "misplacement".

I know to be tame in public and not shout, in fact I am quite adept at saying the right thing in public.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that most of the time, if something doesn't go right, i think "this sh111tt is gay"..

In my mind however, there is complete separation from (homosexual gay)  and the situation is (gay)// gone worse

I just seldom use the term itself due to the social sensitivity training we all go through as young adults, but it is still close to what I'd actually use....


My point is,  it's just a word.... The people who has used it, are NOT actively trying to harm gay people... and to my knowledge there hasn't been any active complaint from homosexual forum members.. 


This matter is a non-issue...

I used to think the same. Until I went for the birthday of a friend at a restaurant where we gathered. My friend's brother is gay and I have no problem with (nor should I) and he's a nice guy. But after some wine, I got into a conversation about the "new" star wars movies and said a comment about how I found that Anakin looked gay when trying to be "pissed or evil". I realized what I had just said 2 seconds too late. Since this day, I am much more careful when saying this word. In the end, it's not about your intention, it's about the impact it can have on others. I am not gay myself, but from what is evident there's much more hate towards them than needed (none is needed in fact). So there's no need to add any. Just find a new words that harms no one.

Good post JPG..

That is a very good example of why we tame speech in public..

Online is another story..


another side of the story is: It is also true that MANY gay people are total shh1117 people...

They will selfishly put their agenda in your face as if that was the only thing that mattered...  if simply to be an attention ****..


And then there are those normal people who try to troll by attaching themselves to the gay agenda, not only is that ineffective, it damages the agenda's image and importance...

IDK who is worse.

I don't know what this agenda this is, but there are **** people everywhere, whatever their religion, sexual orientation or whatever. It's not because some white guy is a ****er that all white guys are ****ers. Well it's the same for every race, religion, whatever. But it's not because the guy is gay that you can't call him names if he's being an ass. Just don't use racism as the way to express it!

[tp4tissue]

Also, allow me to point out how awesome these call-out threads are. I get to feel like I'm truly a fancy, fresh public nuisance.

tp4, is this how it feels to be loved by the public? I can't even make Jerkcity jokes without calls to hang 'em high (truly hung style, yo).

I am fighting for your rights to use the word "GAY" because it's a typical replacement for oddness...

The rest, as to how you use it, and in what context, is totally up to you..

Do I think some people toss it around a bit too lightly, yes, but my job is to observe humanity, not to judge

[tp4tissue]

That's unacceptable speech, no matter where.  How do you submit a request to suspend/ban someone from the forum?

it is not unacceptable speech, not what so ever, 

We try to be more polite in public, that is because afk things can turn physically violent, and so to reduce the chance of that, we formed a social agreement to be verbally ameliorate.

However, this new DIGITAL life that we live must be regarded separate with its own rules // norms // tolerances.


I remember when I first learned of the word "gay" in 1st grade. I didn't know what it meant, only that it was derogatory.

Everyone around me eventually found out what it meant a week later, but continued to use it until at least 8th grade with little thought of its implications. 

And THIS DAY,   I still closely associate the term "gay" with "oddity" and "misplacement".

I know to be tame in public and not shout, in fact I am quite adept at saying the right thing in public.

HOWEVER, this does not change the fact that most of the time, if something doesn't go right, i think "this sh111tt is gay"..

In my mind however, there is complete separation from (homosexual gay)  and the situation is (gay)// gone worse

I just seldom use the term itself due to the social sensitivity training we all go through as young adults, but it is still close to what I'd actually use....


My point is,  it's just a word.... The people who has used it, are NOT actively trying to harm gay people... and to my knowledge there hasn't been any active complaint from homosexual forum members.. 


This matter is a non-issue...

I used to think the same. Until I went for the birthday of a friend at a restaurant where we gathered. My friend's brother is gay and I have no problem with (nor should I) and he's a nice guy. But after some wine, I got into a conversation about the "new" star wars movies and said a comment about how I found that Anakin looked gay when trying to be "pissed or evil". I realized what I had just said 2 seconds too late. Since this day, I am much more careful when saying this word. In the end, it's not about your intention, it's about the impact it can have on others. I am not gay myself, but from what is evident there's much more hate towards them than needed (none is needed in fact). So there's no need to add any. Just find a new words that harms no one.

Good post JPG..

That is a very good example of why we tame speech in public..

Online is another story..


another side of the story is: It is also true that MANY gay people are total shh1117 people...

They will selfishly put their agenda in your face as if that was the only thing that mattered...  if simply to be an attention ****..


And then there are those normal people who try to troll by attaching themselves to the gay agenda, not only is that ineffective, it damages the agenda's image and importance...

IDK who is worse.

I don't know what this agenda this is, but there are **** people everywhere, whatever their religion, sexual orientation or whatever. It's not because some white guy is a ****er that all white guys are ****ers. Well it's the same for every race, religion, whatever. But it's not because the guy is gay that you can't call him names if he's being an ass. Just don't use racism as the way to express it!

My agenda is to balance the scale of "bad people" like you've said, they're everywhere....

[esoomenona]

And then there are those normal people who try to troll by attaching themselves to the gay agenda, not only is that ineffective, it damages the agenda's image and importance...

I've read everything so far, and I see this. I hope you don't intend to imply that this "agenda" is something I attach myself to to troll. I have friends and family members who are homosexual, and I don't think that using these words is a proper way to attack a certain person. In fact, I'm quite against calling names in general. I think if you truly want to get to someone, do it smartly. Calling names is petty, and usually occurs when you can't think of anything more to say.

This is no agenda of mine. This is not tolerable to me, not just because I have ties to that group of people, but because I'm a human being. I might have problems with individuals (and oh, how I do), but that doesn't make it right to say things that are harmful to anyone more than that person.

[tp4tissue]

And then there are those normal people who try to troll by attaching themselves to the gay agenda, not only is that ineffective, it damages the agenda's image and importance...

I've read everything so far, and I see this. I hope you don't intend to imply that this "agenda" is something I attach myself to to troll. I have friends and family members who are homosexual, and I don't think that using these words is a proper way to attack a certain person. In fact, I'm quite against calling names in general. I think if you truly want to get to someone, do it smartly. Calling names is petty, and usually occurs when you can't think of anything more to say.

This is no agenda of mine. This is not tolerable to me, not just because I have ties to that group of people, but because I'm a human being. I might have problems with individuals (and oh, how I do), but that doesn't make it right to say things that are harmful to anyone more than that person.

I don't wish to go into my typical  TP4 mode, because this is a sensitive subject..

But my carefully chosen words are :

"Dude, It's not your battle, you are unqualified to fight it"

[Krogenar]

So it was brought to my attention last night that IRC was the grounds of much discussion about me. Now, this doesn't bother me. In fact, most of those people who were talking are the kind to smile in my face here, and run and talk about me there, and I don't concern myself with those kinds of people.

But I also noticed that IRC seems to be the breeding ground for hatred of not just me, but an entire community of people. Talking about or hating me? That's fine. I can take it. But why do you feel so tough behind your IRC walls that you can use words hateful to so many more people?

<dubsgalore> ****ing ***gots on a confidence high
<meeba> CAN YOU HEAR ME  YOU ****ING ***GOTS

Not only do they use this word, but they have created a new word, which is even worse, in my opinion. Really? You change some letters to make it funnier? Or more hateful?

<dubsgalore> moose is a cocky feggit
<dubsgalore> and we dont like feggits

Actually, I can say with certainty that at least one of them is comfortable saying horrible, insulting things on the forum.

I don't think anyone should be banned, or that mods need to get involved. I think what they say should be shown to everyone, in the context in which it was said, and let the GH community decide what to think about these sorts of statements. I have faith that the community as a whole will treat people who utter these sorts of things as they deserve to be treated -- as actual children, or as developmentally arrested adults. Either way, their language and attitudes reflect poorly on them, and that's good enough for me.

Thanks for posting this moose, now I know my decision to place one of these people on my Ignore list was the right decision, and not just a fluke.

You may think I'm some troll or mean person, but is this okay? I know geekhack has no control over IRC, but those people are also here. They would never say these things on the site, but they feel big behind closed doors.

I don't care what people say -- I don't outlaw words, except words that are openly obscene. Some people in the gay community use the 'f-word' the way black people use the 'n-word'. Let people use words as they see fit -- how else are we going to detect people who espouse horrible ideas? How else to detect morons than by letting them scream their stupidity at the mountains? I don't think for a minute that these words have the power to actually harm people, unless they allow it.

Moose, you should challenge them both to a debate on gay rights. Crush stupid ideas on the mat in open intellectual combat. You will win.

Thanks again, Moose, for posting this -- and again, I don't think Mods need to craft a 'language' code, or ban anyone, etc. -- we're not children; a few naughty words won't harm us.

[esoomenona]

I don't wish to go into my typical  TP4 mode, because this is a sensitive subject..

But my carefully chosen words are :

"Dude, It's not your battle, you are unqualified to fight it"

And I don't intend to. My sole intent is to bring awareness to it.

And why is it your battle to fight for it?

[tp4tissue]

I don't wish to go into my typical  TP4 mode, because this is a sensitive subject..

But my carefully chosen words are :

"Dude, It's not your battle, you are unqualified to fight it"

And I don't intend to. My sole intent is to bring awareness to it.

And why is it your battle to fight for it?

I am not fighting the gay agenda.

I am fighting the, It's not your place agenda..

[esoomenona]

tp4tissue, I know you enjoy the attention and limelight, as well as a good argument. And I know you don't care what people think or say about you, but is this really the fight you want to pick right now? Trying to determine who shouldn't put themselves in the shoes of other human beings? Trying to say that because I'm not something, that I shouldn't bring awareness to the hatred against it?

[IPT]

Frankly dude it seems you're on a crusade on these forums....

[funkymeeba]

Two words that sound the same but mean different things are called homophobes.

[Malphas]

Seriously who the hell over the age of twelve uses terms like "***got" or "gay" as general terms of insult/negative connotation? If you do, you should be ashamed - not because it's derogatory towards gay people, but because it makes you look asinine.

[Malphas]

Also, I was kinda skipping over tp4's posts in this thread (because they're socially awkward nonsense) but then spotted this gem:

my job is to observe humanity, not to judge

lmao

[hashbaz]

I'm really exhausted by this topic from other forums and other debates.  Bottom line is this: don't use abusive language unless you actually intend to abuse.  And especially don't use abusive language and then whine and backpedal when people call you out on it.

[funkymeeba]

TIL: Jerkcity jokes not welcome on IRC, because someone's going to ****ing cry about it. I didn't even aim at anyone, but boy were there ever some casualties.

Stuff my fat face in the cauliflower.

[Krogenar]

Seriously who the hell over the age of twelve uses terms like "***got" or "gay" as general terms of insult/negative connotation? If you do, you should be ashamed - not because it's derogatory towards gay people, but because it makes you look asinine.

+1

[Malphas]

Nah, hashbaz is right, funkymeeba. If you're gonna use abusive language - whether you mean it or not - man up and expect people to be offended rather than try to weasel out of it after the fact. Also "jokes" are usually meant to be funny as opposed to just typing out minority slur words in caps.

[Tarzan]

Just as an observation, it confirms my decision to add certain posters to my ignore list, when I see them all posting to this thread.

Carry on, Moose.  I'm outta here.

 

[funkymeeba]

Nah, hashbaz is right, funkymeeba. If you're gonna use abusive language - whether you mean it or not - man up and expect people to be offended rather than try to weasel out of it after the fact. Also "jokes" are usually meant to be funny as opposed to just typing out minority slur words in caps.

The joke is not the one line. There was another line which, you may note, is absent from this thread. I tried to bring some funny to the IRC after dubs' rage started up, and I failed. If you want to demonize me for something nobody cared to call me out on privately before having friends throw pitchforks at me publicly... well, eat some ****ing shotguns. Simple.

If you truly think I am a homophobe, you could not be more wrong.

[tp4tissue]

tp4tissue, I know you enjoy the attention and limelight, as well as a good argument. And I know you don't care what people think or say about you, but is this really the fight you want to pick right now? Trying to determine who shouldn't put themselves in the shoes of other human beings? Trying to say that because I'm not something, that I shouldn't bring awareness to the hatred against it?

There are qualified professionals for the Gay rights agenda, we are not those professionals.

[Malphas]

I don't think anyone thinks you're an actual homophobe, frankly. That doesn't seem to be what you're being accused of, people seem to be taking more issue with the general obnoxiousness of the things you were saying (which you have a habit of in general, including on the forums, from what I've seen). In any case I barely care, to be honest. My posts here are more casual observation than anything else.

[funkymeeba]

(which you have a habit of in general, including on the forums, from what I've seen).

That's one hell of a thing for you to say to me. You ought to provide some proof of that one, buddy. I'll be here.

[Malphas]

No thanks. I don't care enough, and I'm not interested in arguing with/upsetting you. That's my general impression of you from reading your posts though. Sorry if you don't like that.

[funkymeeba]

Then, other than a misunderstood joke, I have done no wrong.

Can someone get these pitchforks out of here, they are seriously getting in the way of my fatness.

[Dubsgalore]

IRC is certainly not the breeding ground for hate, you would know that if you spent enough time there. about homophobia, that's none existent on the channel as well. 'feggit' is a sarcastic joke is literally is holds so much sarcasm and little actual ill intent that it's laughable to see people take it seriously, but i don't blame you for taking it seriously. I am no homophobe, i have no problems with homosexuality nor with anyone who is homosexual. Literally the spies on IRC who fed mr. moose mistook what was extreme sarcasm and jokes, which are obviously being taken for the wrong thing, so i'm sorry if you are offended, that was not the intent, just misunderstanding the context.

[Krogenar]

I don't think anyone thinks you're an actual homophobe, frankly. That doesn't seem to be what you're being accused of, people seem to be taking more issue with the general obnoxiousness of the things you were saying (which you have a habit of in general, including on the forums, from what I've seen). In any case I barely care, to be honest. My posts here are more casual observation than anything else.

(which you have a habit of in general, including on the forums, from what I've seen).

That's one hell of a thing for you to say to me. You ought to provide some proof of that one, buddy. I'll be here.

Well, you called me an outright racist in the 'Big Brother' thread for pointing out a statistic and holding an opinion you don't like -- that, to me, is proof of the 'general obnoxiousness' that Malphas is referring to. If you think my facts are wrong, okay, say they're wrong. Instead, you just throw around insults. I'm not exactly shocked to hear about your IRC antics.

[funkymeeba]

Put down the ****ing pitchforks, already. Take your issues with me up in PM instead of rallying a bunch of troops against me. This **** is not ****ing necessary.

[evolveS]

Seriously who the hell over the age of twelve uses terms like "***got" or "gay" as general terms of insult/negative connotation? If you do, you should be ashamed - not because it's derogatory towards gay people, but because it makes you look asinine.

This.

I most certainly don't agree that 'gay' is a "typical replacement for oddness" either. I encourage everyone to read up on the origins of the term. Sure the context has changed with society and some people will use it in a derogatory manner, but why can't we try to have civil discourse without flaming?

[acantha]

Seriously who the hell over the age of twelve uses terms like "***got" or "gay" as general terms of insult/negative connotation? If you do, you should be ashamed - not because it's derogatory towards gay people, but because it makes you look asinine.

this, except to say that its also derogatory, but mostly because it makes you sound like a 12 year old on xbox live.

[Dubsgalore]

Frankly dude it seems you're on a crusade on these forums....

preach

[esoomenona]

Frankly dude it seems you're on a crusade on these forums....

preach

There is already a topic of discussion for this, and you, in particular, are already aware of it. Please focus anything you have against me there, and not here.

[iri]

<meeba> CAN YOU HEAR ME  YOU ****ING ***GOTS

YES I HEAR YOU MEEBA
DO A REWIIIIIIND