WEED

[demik]

maebe

[noisyturtle]

marijuana is a gateway drug, soon you'll be smoking crack cocaine and committing violent crimes. you're all going straight to hell.

[meiosis]

marijuana is a gateway drug, soon you'll be smoking crack cocaine and committing violent crimes. you're all going straight to hell.

good thing i found demik while he was in the powder stage, poor guy was grinding up his hardcore white CC's

[KangarooZombies]

marijuana is a gateway drug, soon you'll be smoking crack cocaine and committing violent crimes. you're all going straight to hell.

i am doing all of these things at this very minute

save me pls

[unnatural]

YOLO SWAG FOR JESUS BLAZE IT 420

god bless you

[Michael]

[cactux]

A new taxation source

[Michael]

YOLO SWAG FOR JESUS BLAZE IT 420

[Moosecraft]

yes

[tp4tissue]

marijuana is a gateway drug, soon you'll be smoking crack cocaine and committing violent crimes. you're all going straight to hell.

good thing i found demik while he was in the powder stage, poor guy was grinding up his hardcore white CC's

it does seem to lower inhibition over time..

but you would have to be in a circumstance permitting situation for it to lead to other drugs.

and those are less than common conditions.

[Malphas]

What pot heads fail to realize, is that loss in productivity is in actuality the same as lost lifespan. Their "useful" lifespan is lost to humanity.

As an individual unit, they may live as long as someone who does not use recreational drug, but their usefulness is reduced...
 ^^^  this is the main issue social planners have been reticent about legalization of marijuana.

social planners do not care if you die... as long as every moment you've lived prior to death has been effectively appropriated in labor..

Absolute rubbish. No-one except aspie weirdos like yourself have actually had thoughts along these lines. There are countless unproductive things enjoyed and encouraged en masse, e.g. television, video gaming, alcohol, making nonsensical posts on Keyboard forums, etc., etc.

[demik]

I liquify  ccs and shoot them into my forehead.

[tp4tissue]

I liquify  ccs and shoot them into my forehead.

that explains alot.

[Moosecraft]

I liquify  ccs and shoot them into my forehead.

that explains alot.

I actually laughed at this haha.

[demik]

I liquify  ccs and shoot them into my forehead.

that explains alot.

I need to stop replying to myself

[phetto]

Stop getting off topic you buffoons

[Moosecraft]

Stop getting off topic you buffoons

But this is off topic o.O

[demik]

I'm on weed so on topic

[Findecanor]

I am strongly for banning smoking in all forms, but let the potheads eat their magic brownies if they want.

But A and/or B are legal, and that/those is responsible for much more crap than cannabis.

There are many stupid arguments for legalization... probably conceived while smoking cannabis, and this is the worst one.
Consider this: The only reason why tobacco smoking is not illegal is because it's use is already so common. That's it. If it had been introduced on the market today and there hadn't been as many users, it would have been made illegal at once. New types of tobacco products are not allowed, except for helping people quit smoking.
Alcohol is drunk a lot in the western world, but few who drink alcohol are actually addicted to it, relatively speaking.

[YoungMichael88]

Legalize or not? of course legalize. I find it sickening that this is still a debate. This plant is so useful and profitable that it should be a no brainer. Yes it can cause you to lose motivation but I would say that's 75% your fault and 25% weeds fault. Weed doesn't tie you to your couch with shackles and chains. I used to smoke weed before doing yard work or house work etc. and it really helped me enjoy the work I was doing and also made the time fly by as I did it. I would smoke and go on nature walks or actually hang with friends away from the computer. I ended up letting weed win in the motivation battle in the end but that's MY fault not weeds. We control what we do and don't do regardless of what we consume. I have friends who smoke everyday and go trail riding on their bicycles all afternoon. Its self control issues that cause you to lose motivation. Weed just pressures you to give into those issues. If you're concerned with smoke inhalation just vaporize or cook with it. Weed can be very safe and useful and its environmental benefits are unmatched.

[phetto]

Stop getting off topic you buffoons

But this is off topic o.O

Yes xD

[meiosis]

I'm on weed so on topic

no I will not sell you my 356cl for 2 oz

[Moosecraft]

I'm on weed so on topic

no I will not sell you my 356cl for 2 oz

How about 13.37?

[Input Nirvana]

I believe #1 it's important to get the high cost/illegal aspect of it removed to drastically reduce the criminal element. Pot somewhat legal=lower cost and less associated crime. California jails are filled with people that dabbled in pot, which seems ridiculous. Obviously the government can't seem to stop the whole pot thing, so maybe better to regulate the **** out of it and have massive restrictions. Of course California legalized "medical" marijuana (which has turned out to be a complete joke), and many "medical" "non-profit" dispensaries here do the big business after hours, a hundred pounds per transaction. Make no mistake, it's grown here outdoors and indoors, is travelled here in/out of state, has a massive history/infrastructure, and to a certain extent a blind eye has been turned on the subject. It's massive. You need to understand how large California is and how much open space there is in northern California, and it starts to make sense the size and scope.

Washington/Colorado legalized marijuana, not "medical" marijuana, so that's different right there.

It's a problem no matter how you look at it with no easy answer.

[Input Nirvana]

I liquify  ccs and shoot them into my forehead.

B

I liquify  ccs and shoot them into my forehead.

that explains alot.

Better than his testicle.

[demik]

Never again

[Malphas]

I am strongly for banning smoking in all forms, but let the potheads eat their magic brownies if they want.

But A and/or B are legal, and that/those is responsible for much more crap than cannabis.

There are many stupid arguments for legalization... probably conceived while smoking cannabis, and this is the worst one.
Consider this: The only reason why tobacco smoking is not illegal is because it's use is already so common. That's it. If it had been introduced on the market today and there hadn't been as many users, it would have been made illegal at once. New types of tobacco products are not allowed, except for helping people quit smoking.
Alcohol is drunk a lot in the western world, but few who drink alcohol are actually addicted to it, relatively speaking.

Nah, I'd say it's safe to assume there are a lot more alcoholics per regular drinker than there are cannabis-addicts (kind of an oxymoron since cannabis isn't physiologically addictive) per person who smokes weed. It would be even more pronounced if it weren't for the fact society has a self-regulating etiquette regarding alcohol such as it being considered taboo to drink in the early part of the day, drinking during the week (to a lesser extent), and such. Weed is too recent an introduction to Western society and thus doesn't have that, which is why people who wouldn't think of cracking open a bottle of vodka first thing in the morning don't have the same qualms about smoking a spliff on the way to work.

Anyway, I am strongly against banning smoking (both tobacco, weed, and anything else), and against banning recreational drugs in general for the primary reason that grown adults should be able to make their own decisions. I also don't care about the consequences to society (although I don't think they'd be any negative consequences anyway, and in fact the result would be the opposite as a result of less drug-related harm and less drug-related crime) because I believe that individual freedom trumphs the overall wellbeing of society.

[Input Nirvana]

Never again

+1

[daerid]

@dragonxx21: aren't those the same thing?

[Melvang]

My honest opinion is that marijuana should be legal and alcohol should be illegal.  Just on one fact alone.  It is physically impossible to overdose on THC.  You will die from lack of oxygen before you would ever be able to ingest enough THC to kill you.  And for those of you that don't think you can't be a fully functioning self supporting family man while preforming all responsibilities to society's expectations I call the biggest bull**** flag ever flown.

Now I don't personally smoke anymore (stopped before I joined the Navy)  but I know a lot of people that smoke.  And you know what?  I would rather work next to someone that took a couple hits on the way to work than someone that got totally black out drunk the night before.  Before you people start condemning it you should problably get educated on the subject at hand. 

While it may not be the best source of info (though it is accurate) it is still a good place to start.

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/

A sample quote from the book

"After 15 days of taking testimony and more than a year’s legal deliberation, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young formally urged the DEA to allow doctors to prescribe marijuana. In a September 1988 judgment, he ruled: “The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”"

[demik]

The problem with all this is god damn old Bible thumping people. once they die off we will get **** done

[demik]

And career politicians.  They ruin government.

[MTManiac]

[tp4tissue]

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he did it a few times at parties..

He's not a pot head..

[domoaligato]

It is legal in Washington and Colorado. I live in Washington state.

[domoaligato]

The problem with all this is god damn old Bible thumping people. once they die off we will get **** done

And career politicians.  They ruin government.

these both go hand in hand.

[demik]

Possibly. But for old people even doing it once and they see you as a pot head

[MTManiac]

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he did it a few times at parties..

He's not a pot head..

can you give me 100% assurance that is true?
do you hang with him on the daily?
how do you know he isn't ripping it erryday?
so much ignorant hate
Guessing these successful people only did it a few times at parties also...

Barack Obama. El Presidente de Los Estados Unidos!

Bill Clinton “…but I didn’t inhale.” Fomer U.S. President!

Bill Murray. Yep, everyone’s favorite actor was arrested for possession.

Paris Hilton. Socialite. Night Vision Porn-Star.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Basketball star

George W Bush Politician and professional hypocrite.

John F Kennedy. Politician.

Steve Jobs, co-creator of the Apple computer.

Queen Victoria.

Bruce Lee.

Aaron Sorkin, creator of ”The West Wing”.

Art Garfunkel , singer, Simon and Garfunkel.

Abbie Hoffman, Activist.

Al and Tipper Gore Politicians

Aleister Crowley, Author and Famous Satanist.
Alexander Dumas, Author – “The Three Musketeers”
Ali Campbell, Singer with UB40
Alice B. Toklas. Famous Cook – Wrote recipe for Hash Fudge Filmed as. ‘I Love You Alice B. Toklas’
Allen Ginsberg, Poet.
Andrea Corr, musician, “The Corrs”.
Anjelica Huston, Actress.
Arnold Schwarzenegger. Actor. “I did smoke a joint and I did inhale.”
Lebron James.
Arthur Rimbaud.
Balzac.
The Beatles.
Bill Gates. Not confirmed, just very strongly hinted at in his Playboy interview.
Bing Crosby. Famous crooner of “I’m dreaming of a White Christmas”. Now the Film “High Society” makes sense!
Bix Beiderbecke Jazz musician.
Black Crowes, musicians
Bob Denver, Star of “Gilligan’s Island”.
Bob Dylan, musician.
Bob Marley, musician
Burt Reynolds, actor. He left his first wife because of her drug use. But he has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
Cab Calloway, Jazz musician. Claimed he only used it once.
Carl Sagan, Scientist – SiFi writer – film “Contact”.
Carlos Santana musician.
Carrie Fischer, Actress
Charlie Sheen, actor.
Charlize Theron, Actress.
Charles Beaudelaire, Author.
Cheech Marin, Actor Chris Conrad, Author and expert on Cannabis Hemp
Chris Farley. Comedian.
Chrissie Hynde, musician.
Chris Rock, Actor, Comedian, Producer, Screenwriter.
Chubby Checker, Musician. Sang; “Lets Twist Again”.
Cilla Black, Musician and presenter.
Claire Rayner, Agony Aunt.
Cody Kasch Actor. TV series Desperate Housewives
Conan O’Brian TV Host
Count Basie, Jazz Ban Leader
Dame Margot Fonteyn, Prima ballerina.
David Bailey, Photographer .
Dan Quayle . Politician.
David Hockney, Artist.
Diego Rivera Mexican Artist
Dion Fortune Welsh occultist.
Dionne Warwick, Famous singer of “Walk on by”.
Dioscorides Pedanius, 1 st cent. AD. Greek physician. Wrote ‘De Materia Medica’, used for 1,500 years.
Dizzy Gillespie, Jazz musician
Dr Francis Crick. Nobel Prize winner.
Dr Lester Grinspoon.
Dr R.D.Laing
Dr W.B. O’Shaugnessy Re-introduced cannabis to European medicine.
Drew Barrymore, actress.
Duke Ellington, Jazz Band Leader.
Elliott Gould. Actor.
Eminem, musician.
Emperor Liu Chi-nu, made medical recomendation for its use.
Emperor Shen-Nung, made first known medical recommendation for its use.
Errol Flynn, Actor
Evelyn Waugh. Author.
Francis Ford Coppella, Film Director.
Frances McDormand , Actress
Fats Waller, musician.
Fitz Hugh Ludlow – wrote ‘The Hasheesh Eater’.
Francois Rabelais. 16 th French author Friedrich Nietzsche, Used it as a medicine.
Gary Johnson. Governor of New Mexico – Reformer.
Gene Krupa, Jazz musician.
George Gurdjieff , Russian Mystic.
George Melly, Jazz musician.
George Soros, Financier and reformer.
George Washington , grew it and there is evidence that he prepared it for smoking.
Gerard de Nerval French writer Graham Greene, Author.
Grateful Dead musicians.
Harrison Ford, Actor.
Howard Marks. Ex-smuggler and Raconteur.
H R H Prince Harry, Third in line to the British throne.
H R H Princess Margaret, sister to Her Majesty the Queen.
Howard Stern
Hua T’o Medical use as anaesthetic .
Hunter S. Thompson, Author
Isabel Allende, Chilean author. Mentioned in her book “Paula”.
Jack Kerouac, Author
Jack Nicholson, actor.
Jackie Gleason, actor. Another whom the DEA kept on their pot files.
James Brown, musician
Janis Joplin, musician.
Jane Fonda, Actress.
Jennifer Aniston, actress.
Jennifer Capriati, Tennis champ.
Jesse Ventura, Governor of Minnesota.
Jim Morrison, musician.
Jimmy Dorsey, Jazz musician,
Jimmy Hendrix, musician
Joan of Arc, was accused of using witch herbs (another name cannabis).
John Belushi, actor.
John Denver, musician.He recorded a song about it.
John Kerry . Politician. US Senator
John Lennon. musician.
John Le Mesurier. Actor.
John Wayne, Actor, “I tried it once but it didn’t do anything to me.”
Jonathan Miller, Theatre Director.
Johnny Cash, musician.
Jon Snow, Channel 4 News presenter. (UK)
Julia Roberts, Actress,
Kary Mullis, Nobel Laurate, Biology.
Ken Kesey, Author
Kenneth Tynan, Playwright.
Kurt Cobain, musician.
Larry Hagman, actor, of “JR” fame.
Led Zeppelin, musicians.
Lenny Bruce, Comedian.
Lewis Carroll, Author
Lewis Wolpert, biologist.
Little Richard, musician.
Louis Armstrong, Jazz musician.
Luke Perry, actor.
Louis Hebert, French Botanist
Macaulay Culkin. Actor, Home Alone.
Mark Stepnoski. two-time Super Bowl champ, Dallas Cowboy.
Mick Jagger, musician
Mike Bloomberg. New York City Mayor.
Mike Tyson, Boxer.
Miles Davis, Jazz musician.
Milton Berle, Actor
Mo Mowlam, Minister Modigliani. Sculptor.
Montel Williams Chat show host.
Montgomery Clift, actor
Neil Diamond, musician.
Neil Young, Musician.
Newt Gingrich Speaker of the US Senate.
Norman Mailer, Author.
Oasis, Noel Gallagher
Oliver Stone, Film Director.
Oscar Wilde, Author.
Pablo Picasso, Artist.
Pancho Villa, Revolutionary Leader.
Peregrine Worthstone, former editor of the Sunday Telegraph.
Peter Fonda, actor.
Peter Sellers, actor.
Peter Tosh, Poet.
Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Former Prime Minister of Canada.
Pink. Musician. Mentioned in Playboy interview (11/02).
Pink Floyd, Musicians. P. J. O’Rouke. Author. Ram Dass, Philosopher.
Ray Charles, musician.
Richard Feynman, Nobel Prize Laureate physicist.
Richard Pryor, actor.
Robert Anton Wilson. Philosopher .
Robert Mitchum, Actor, was jailed in the 40s for possession of marijuana.
Rolling Stones, musicians.
Ross Rebagliati, first ever snowboarding Gold Medallist, 1998 Winter Olympics.
Rudolf Nureyev, Ballet dancer. Also see entry for Margot Fonteyn.
Rudyard Kipling . Author. Ryan Farrell, Australian Sprint Car champion.
Salvador Dali, Artist.
Samuel Beckett, Author.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Author. Sinead O’Connor, musician.
Sir Paul McCartney, Musician.
Sir Mick Jagger, Musician.
Snoop Dogg, musician.
Steve Martin , Actor.
Stephen King. Author.
Steven Soderbergh, Film director.
Stephen Sondheim. Broadway composer and lyricist.
Sting / Gordon Sumners, musician.
Ted Turner, of CNN fame.
Terence McKenna. Terry Pratchett. Author of the “Diskworld” books. The Who, musicians.
Thelonious Monk, Jazz musician.
Timothy Leary Tomas Enge, Formula 3000 World Champion.
Tommy Chong.
Actor Tommy Lee, Musician.
Tony Booth, the father-in-law of Britain’s Prime Minister.
UB40, Band. Victor Hugo.
Author ‘Les Misérables’ Walter ‘Stumpy’ Brennan actor.
Walter Benjamin, Philosopher.
Wesley Snipes, actor. Has been seen in Cannabis Cafes.
Whitney Houston, musician.
William Butler Yeats.
Famous Irish Poet and Occultist.
William S. Burroughs, Author.
William Shakespeare. Dramatist.
Willie Nelson, musician.
Woody Harrelson, Actor and reformer.

[domoaligato]

Washington/Colorado legalized marijuana, not "medical" marijuana, so that's different right there.

Washington does have legalized medical marijuana.
I do not know about Colorado but anyone can go get a "green card" and go buy marijuana here in washington.
It does have a separate set of rules at the moment from recreational marijuana but Washington state is also working on revising the medical marijuana laws around the resent legalized recreational law to make sure they do not conflict with one another.

[demik]

You had me till Paris Hilton. She is a trust fund baby.

[audukent]

My honest opinion is that marijuana should be legal and alcohol should be illegal.  Just on one fact alone.  It is physically impossible to overdose on THC.  You will die from lack of oxygen before you would ever be able to ingest enough THC to kill you.  And for those of you that don't think you can't be a fully functioning self supporting family man while preforming all responsibilities to society's expectations I call the biggest bull**** flag ever flown.

Now I don't personally smoke anymore (stopped before I joined the Navy)  but I know a lot of people that smoke.  And you know what?  I would rather work next to someone that took a couple hits on the way to work than someone that got totally black out drunk the night before.  Before you people start condemning it you should problably get educated on the subject at hand. 

While it may not be the best source of info (though it is accurate) it is still a good place to start.

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/

A sample quote from the book

"After 15 days of taking testimony and more than a year’s legal deliberation, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young formally urged the DEA to allow doctors to prescribe marijuana. In a September 1988 judgment, he ruled: “The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”"

This is one of the only posts in this thread that is constructed with sourcing actual research or study. lol

[domoaligato]

He had me at night vision.

[MTManiac]

You had me till Paris Hilton. She is a trust fund baby.

if you quit reading after one name of 200 then you either know the truth (motivation is independent)
or you were just looking for a name to troll with
either way I know what's up and this is the last bit of troll food I'm going to give you all

Experts Rate Problem Substances

    Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six substances based on five problem areas.
    Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.
    Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.
    Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.
    Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.
    Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and socIal damage a substance may do.


1 = Most serious  6 = Least serious

HENNINGFIELD RATINGS

Substance   Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine        3           4         2           1          5
Heroin          2           2         1           2          2
Cocaine        4           1         4           3          3
Alcohol         1           3         3           4          1
Caffeine        5           6         5           5          6
Marijuana      6           5         6           6          4


BENOWITZ RATINGS

Substance   Withdrawal Reinforcemt Tolerance Dependnce Intoxictn
----------- ---------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------
Nicotine        3*          4         4           1          6
Heroin          2           2         2           2          2
Cocaine        3*          1         1           3          3
Alcohol         1           3         4           4          1
Caffeine        4           5         3           5          5
Marijuana      5           6         5           6          4

*equal ratings

http://www.tfy.drugsense.org/tfy/addictvn.htm

[domoaligato]

My honest opinion is that marijuana should be legal and alcohol should be illegal.  Just on one fact alone.  It is physically impossible to overdose on THC.  You will die from lack of oxygen before you would ever be able to ingest enough THC to kill you.  And for those of you that don't think you can't be a fully functioning self supporting family man while preforming all responsibilities to society's expectations I call the biggest bull**** flag ever flown.

Now I don't personally smoke anymore (stopped before I joined the Navy)  but I know a lot of people that smoke.  And you know what?  I would rather work next to someone that took a couple hits on the way to work than someone that got totally black out drunk the night before.  Before you people start condemning it you should problably get educated on the subject at hand. 

While it may not be the best source of info (though it is accurate) it is still a good place to start.

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/

A sample quote from the book

"After 15 days of taking testimony and more than a year’s legal deliberation, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young formally urged the DEA to allow doctors to prescribe marijuana. In a September 1988 judgment, he ruled: “The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man.”"

This is one of the only posts in this thread that is constructed with sourcing actual research or study. lol

I am at work so I can not browse jack herer's site. I would also post references to some of Jorge Cervantes enlightening discussions on this topic if I did not have content filters.

[demik]

Whoa Whoa Whoa,I'm on your side buddy.i got no beef with cannabis

[audukent]

I'm annoyed at some of you!  Some of you have quoted having 'never met a highly productive pothead'... just because you haven't met them, doesn't mean they don't exist!  Your sample, although should be considered does not give definitive evidence.

"I took a cup of water from the ocean the other day, there weren't any whales in it, so whales must not be in the ocean."

100th post! Woot!

[Melvang]

I'm annoyed at some of you!  Some of you have quoted having 'never met a highly productive pothead'... just because you haven't met them, doesn't mean they don't exist!  Your sample, although should be considered does not give definitive evidence.

"I took a cup of water from the ocean the other day, there weren't any whales in it, so whales must not be in the ocean."

100th post! Woot!

This.  I know people that smoke pot daily and that drink daily.  From the people that I know a higher percentage of the smokers are active productive persons than of the drinkers.

[demik]

I dislike those annoying kids that have to tell you they smoke and how high they are. Like everybody on r/trees. It's no longer cool and rebellious. It's common and you are not special.

[Michael]

I dislike those annoying kids that have to tell you they smoke and how high they are. Like everybody on r/trees. It's no longer cool and rebellious. It's common and you are not special.

[demik]

That's funny lol. but I'm talking about those idiots that are all "Hur dur, this is so funny because [9]"