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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 07:04:57 »

And who is M'er Forever? M'er == M'kawa & wcass???


M Forever is a single entity with a passion for Model Ms.

He has his own project going to resurrect the SSK that has nothing to do with Mkawa or Unicomp.

The question that nobody can answer is where the market really is. While we watch singles (dozens over the course of years) of SSKs selling on ebay for very high prices, the tooling and manufacturing costs literally require the sale of thousands to justify production.

My guess is that while there are some dozens or hundreds of people who desperately want an SSK and are willing to pay top dollar, but are there thousands? I don't know, and neither does anyone else, even at a <$200 or even <$100 price point.

Obviously things like different colors, native USB, and Windows keys would broaden the market, but would it be enough?
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 07:12:04 »
If the demand isn't high enough it could be created; but you're going to need a company that does active marketing - think CES - so someone like Matias, CM Storm, or Ducky could easily make this happen.

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« Reply #52 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 07:20:53 »
If the demand isn't high enough it could be created; but you're going to need a company that does active marketing - think CES - so someone like Matias, CM Storm, or Ducky could easily make this happen.

You would have to get the gamers and high schoolers interested in buckling springs and/or revive the memories of the midlifers for nostalgia purposes.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 07:28:43 »
You don't understand--they are just building up the hype for their SSK release.  They are doing it thoroughly and gradually, being very safe about it--one announcement every few months to a year.  In another few years, the hype-building process will be complete, and they will be ready to release the keyboard.

The slow clap of marketing

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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:05:24 »
You don't understand--they are just building up the hype for their SSK release.  They are doing it thoroughly and gradually, being very safe about it--one announcement every few months to a year.  In another few years, the hype-building process will be complete, and they will be ready to release the keyboard.

The slow clap of marketing

They will wait 5 years before they release it

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:24:55 »
Hers a quote from me....engineers are currently working on how to fit a shoe in my mouth. TIL when you put "engineers are currently working" in a sentence....it means it isn't happening.

I can confirm this. I'm a software engineer and every time I answer "development is working on it" it really means no one wants to do it so it went to the bottom of the backlog.  :cool: :cool: :cool:

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:26:42 »
Hers a quote from me....engineers are currently working on how to fit a shoe in my mouth. TIL when you put "engineers are currently working" in a sentence....it means it isn't happening.

I can confirm this. I'm a software engineer and every time I answer "development is working on it" it really means no one wants to do it so it went to the bottom of the backlog.  :cool: :cool: :cool:

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:46:26 »

And who is M'er Forever? M'er == M'kawa & wcass???


M Forever is a single entity with a passion for Model Ms.

He has his own project going to resurrect the SSK that has nothing to do with Mkawa or Unicomp.

The question that nobody can answer is where the market really is. While we watch singles (dozens over the course of years) of SSKs selling on ebay for very high prices, the tooling and manufacturing costs literally require the sale of thousands to justify production.

My guess is that while there are some dozens or hundreds of people who desperately want an SSK and are willing to pay top dollar, but are there thousands? I don't know, and neither does anyone else, even at a <$200 or even <$100 price point.

Obviously things like different colors, native USB, and Windows keys would broaden the market, but would it be enough?

I doubt anyone would have known that the model M would be such a dominant force back in its heyday. But it is now of historical record that the model m has withstood the test of time better than most if not all of its contemporaries and even today's pretenders.

Thus, it is precisely now, in this climate, that Unicomp must signal its intentions. We are just at the cusp of a whole slew of backlit tenkeyless mechanical keyboards coming forth. But they are too exorbitantly priced to be as ubiquitous as the model m was in its day – which was very expensive in the late 80s-90s, but so too were the computers it came bundled with.

So if the SSK  is to be a player today, it must position itself as the successor of the venerable model m that offers all of the benefits of what the bulk of people want now (ie. Backlit, tkl, nkro) with the promise that its longevity and hence value over time are assured.

Never before have humans in total been so desk bound and with the rise of RSI the benefits of mechanical keyboards is as relevant as it ever will be.

Before long, and if an SSK is on the market, people will JUMP at the opportunity to find a single solution without the necessity to trial the various flavours of cherry mx as the buckling spring undeniably offers a superior typing experience. Cherry has to their own detriment not come up with one perfect switch. Unicomp on the other hand is sitting on a gold mine.

So the question is price, namely $250. Enthusiasts will happily fork out far more for topre and double for customs that feature the same old cherry mx in the same old variations.

Gamers are young but certainly not stupid and are becoming more and more educated. They will be happy with something classy that does whatever the K90s could do but be guaranteed they could still use it in perfect nick when they mature.

I can really see that this whole thing could turn full circle and the buckling spring, fashioned after the SSK but feeling more like a Model F, will again be the go to board even in the corporate world where the really big bucks will be. Perhaps Dell or even IBM may be interested? 

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:16:15 »
Dat curve :[ I hope they make a flat version!

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« Reply #59 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:18:22 »
Some of the guys over at DT are also drawing up their own proposals for an SSK prototype as we speak and have already submitted some early designs to Unicomp

Dat curve :[ I hope they make a flat version!

It's just a concept.

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« Reply #60 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:21:18 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:30:10 »
If the demand isn't high enough it could be created; but you're going to need a company that does active marketing - think CES - so someone like Matias, CM Storm, or Ducky could easily make this happen.

+1

Matias sounds good to me. But is he married to his ALPS? I think Unicomp have in the past been reticent to step out of their comfort zone for fear that they would be too expensive for mass retails stores like Frys to stock them. But is this concern still a reality?

They could also try other avenues of marketing such as TV infomercials which would be a perfect medium for Mr. Matias.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:44:09 »
Sadly Unicomp's owners are probably approaching retirement age and are only trying to stay open long enough to squirrel some nuts away.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:44:34 »
what the bulk of people want now (ie. Backlit, tkl, nkro) with the promise that its longevity and hence value over time are assured.

I agree with most of what you said, but backlit? That might well be a nightmare in manufacturing, and I would not want it personally. Translucent barrel frame with lighting integral to the membranes? I suspect that it would make the product look like a gimmick rather than a solid machine.

It seems to me that people want native USB, NKRO, and more color selections.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:48:24 »
You could have light pipes to help get the light in.

Still, I don't believe it. As said before, this sort of response is doublespeak for "We don't want to say no, but we're not planning on it".  I mean, Unicomp hasn't come up with anything genuinely new in years. Their big thing this year was a crappy color scheme. I've waited for years for them to make ****ing black key caps as an option for their black keyboards (you know, since a lot of people like monochrome keyboards), but they haven't even attempted that.
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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:49:09 »
You could have light pipes to help get the light in.

Light pipes?

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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:54:16 »
Things for redirecting light. Fiber optic cable is a flexible example. Most of the time when you have LEDs on a device, they'll have something over the LED to serve a this purpose.

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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:59:33 »
what the bulk of people want now (ie. Backlit, tkl, nkro) with the promise that its longevity and hence value over time are assured.

I agree with most of what you said, but backlit? That might well be a nightmare in manufacturing, and I would not want it personally. Translucent barrel frame with lighting integral to the membranes? I suspect that it would make the product look like a gimmick rather than a solid machine.

It seems to me that people want native USB, NKRO, and more color selections.

Well polls (tbh, one poll on GH) have shown that tenkeyless is the preferred form factor. I don't know what would have been the outcome with a poll on back lighting, but it is something that is nice to have as an option that can be turned off and on just like your house lights (not trying to be facetious, but not everyone is going to be seated in an IT department will loads of overhead lighting at all times). I defer to your greater knowledge as to the potentially prohibitive manufacturing costs and difficulties but I read in the DT thread the M'er has some ideas of his own on back lighting...?

A lot of people at home who would be potential customers such as gamers, professional people and average computer users may be able to touch type the alphanumerical keys but most wouldn't be able to navigate F11, DEL, CTR, ALT in the dark. My room lights are fully on but I can't see the keys at all because the keyboard tray I'm using is shielded from the light. I got the impression that M'er wanted to offer a single solution, with the only problem being catering for those who want audible feedback and those who don't. Perhaps the quiet click version could be backlit only?

edit: I agree lighting may detract from the classic and timeless look but if done tastefully perhaps not. For instance, are there any keyboards with lights only on the nav + arrow clusters and/or function row? This is where they are needed for browsing the web etc. Lighting on wasd may look gimmicky so therein lies the conundrum with lighting as gamers seem to like it. Again after a while most gamers, even the most hardcore, become aware that they are annoying others with loud keyboards at night so if the quiet click version had 'tasteful' lighting it might appeal to both gamers and non-gamers. The traditional loud click version could do without any lighting whatsoever.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 10:48:33 »
Those polls are of keyboard enthusiasts, which isn't really the mainstream. If TKL was the preferred form factor for the masses, why do more and more laptops have number pads now?

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« Reply #69 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 10:58:52 »
Those polls are of keyboard enthusiasts, which isn't really the mainstream. If TKL was the preferred form factor for the masses, why do more and more laptops have number pads now?

Good question. I have no idea. There are some people who only use laptops for their home computer and so would want a bigger screen. There may be a turn around from small laptops back to big ones since people can get tablets for on the go surfing and emailing.

I've often observed how vendors always bring out the full-sized versions of new keyboards first. Is this to capture the larger market which is after 104-keys or are they afraid if they didn't everyone would only buy the TKLs and leave them with a bunch of unsold 104s. If 104s were the most popular, wouldn't they bring out the TKLs first?

Edit: I'm not sure but I think Matias sells more mini quiet pros than quiet pros and the bw tournament editions are forever out of stock.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 11:06:26 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

I agree the title isn't the best. But a little harsh there. I hadn't seen those mock-ups until I found this thread, so thank you BlackWidowMan777 for that.

Maybe a possible modern SSK needs more hype. If more people keep asking Unicomp for it, it might become more of a possibility. If anything the community get's more interested and we'll make it a reality if Unicomp won't.

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« Reply #71 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 11:09:24 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

I agree the title isn't the best. But a little harsh there. I hadn't seen those mock-ups until I found this thread, so thank you BlackWidowMan777 for that.

Maybe a possible modern SSK needs more hype. If more people keep asking Unicomp for it, it might become more of a possibility. If anything the community get's more interested and we'll make it a reality if Unicomp won't.

He's prolly a das stooge. But it may very well be in the works. It came out of the horse's mouth. I didn't notice such a vehement reaction in the matias 60% thread.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 11:12:59 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

I agree the title isn't the best. But a little harsh there. I hadn't seen those mock-ups until I found this thread, so thank you BlackWidowMan777 for that.

Maybe a possible modern SSK needs more hype. If more people keep asking Unicomp for it, it might become more of a possibility. If anything the community get's more interested and we'll make it a reality if Unicomp won't.

He's prolly a das stooge. But it may very well be in the works. It came out of the horse's mouth. I didn't notice such a vehement reaction in the matias 60% thread.

That's because if Matias says he is doing something he will...

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 11:40:31 »
why do more and more laptops have number pads now?
Good question. I have no idea.

Many people work with numbers quite a lot, and a straight row of numbers above the letters is impossibly cumbersome.

If I were designing my perfect keyboard from scratch, the numpad would be where the numbers were, and that area at the top of the letters would be for something else, such as function keys.

I was delighted to find a laptop with a numpad. I just hate that one of my other most-used keys, Delete, is always hard to find on a laptop.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 12:24:06 »
Nice vaporware bro.

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« Reply #75 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 14:13:04 »
He's prolly a das stooge. But it may very well be in the works. It came out of the horse's mouth. I didn't notice such a vehement reaction in the matias 60% thread.
That's because if Matias says he is doing something he will...

Unicomp really hasn't done anything new in well over a decade. Their responses to people asking about SSKs have had people thinking they would make one since the '90s.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 14:53:55 »
He's prolly a das stooge. But it may very well be in the works. It came out of the horse's mouth. I didn't notice such a vehement reaction in the matias 60% thread.
That's because if Matias says he is doing something he will...

Unicomp really hasn't done anything new in well over a decade. Their responses to people asking about SSKs have had people thinking they would make one since the '90s.

Or Unicomp has finally mastered their ability in trolling the geekhack community...

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« Reply #77 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 17:28:43 »
Or Unicomp has finally mastered their ability in trolling the geekhack community...

The recent Unicomp stunt is going to be hard to beat. I even TMed the expression "Don't make a Unicomp of yourself"  after their last "we got something new" move.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 21:44:32 »
Or Unicomp has finally mastered their ability in trolling the geekhack community...

The recent Unicomp stunt is going to be hard to beat. I even TMed the expression "Don't make a Unicomp of yourself"  after their last "we got something new" move.

We all got our hopes up during the new release . Only to be trolled by them

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:20:16 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

Who are these two fanboys you speak of?

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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:23:38 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

Who are these two fanboys you speak of?

http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html


i mean you DID start the thread and put the link.
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« Reply #81 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:24:43 »
Also this BlackWidowMan777 kid is really stupid. You're drumming up hype for something that doesn't exist.

It's literally a vague facebook post and some mockups done by a couple of fanboys.

This is not "verified"

This is literally nothing...

Who are these two fanboys you speak of?

http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html

And the other one?

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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 20 December 2013, 23:27:16 »
ah, you're that type of person.

noted.
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« Reply #83 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 01:43:11 »
If these did eventuate, I wonder if the price of SSK on eBay would drop.

Marginally, perhaps, as people would always prefer to own the original.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 01:45:59 »
A good fraction would probably love to get it in a brand new condition, however, for less than $300 a keyboard.  No need to bolt-mod or retro-bright, or deal with scuffs, etc.  Brand new buckling spring switches too.  I'd say a good amount of people would go for the new version to get their buckling spring fix in a compact case.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 01:50:50 »
A good fraction would probably love to get it in a brand new condition, however, for less than $300 a keyboard.  No need to bolt-mod or retro-bright, or deal with scuffs, etc.  Brand new buckling spring switches too.  I'd say a good amount of people would go for the new version to get their buckling spring fix in a compact case.

Although anecdotal evidence suggests that the new Unicomp full sized keyboards are not as good as a well looked after Model M.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 02:00:54 »
Why are you guys getting all hostile about this..

It'll come out when it comes out.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #90 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 09:02:43 »
A good fraction would probably love to get it in a brand new condition, however, for less than $300 a keyboard.  No need to bolt-mod or retro-bright, or deal with scuffs, etc.  Brand new buckling spring switches too.  I'd say a good amount of people would go for the new version to get their buckling spring fix in a compact case.

Personally, I think that the 2 biggest drivers might be Windows keys and native USB.
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #91 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 12:16:06 »
A good fraction would probably love to get it in a brand new condition, however, for less than $300 a keyboard.  No need to bolt-mod or retro-bright, or deal with scuffs, etc.  Brand new buckling spring switches too.  I'd say a good amount of people would go for the new version to get their buckling spring fix in a compact case.

Personally, I think that the 2 biggest drivers might be Windows keys and native USB.

And don't forget the buckling spring :)

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #92 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 17:28:45 »
A good fraction would probably love to get it in a brand new condition, however, for less than $300 a keyboard.  No need to bolt-mod or retro-bright, or deal with scuffs, etc.  Brand new buckling spring switches too.  I'd say a good amount of people would go for the new version to get their buckling spring fix in a compact case.

Personally, I think that the 2 biggest drivers might be Windows keys and native USB.


Are SSK SDL?

With orihalcon cable does it really make any difference?

Yes, Windows key would be nice, and Menu key would be perfect (for Windows users LOL - Command and Option keys for Mac users ftw).
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #93 on: Sat, 21 December 2013, 22:27:20 »

With orihalcon cable does it really make any difference?


Orihalcon cables are great but that would be an additional $30

If somebody is building something new, it should be USB for the 21st century.

When I plug an Apple keyboard into Windows 7, it recognizes Apple Command and Options as Windows and Alt. Does it not work going the other way?
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 22 December 2013, 03:36:19 »

With orihalcon cable does it really make any difference?


Orihalcon cables are great but that would be an additional $30

If somebody is building something new, it should be USB for the 21st century.

When I plug an Apple keyboard into Windows 7, it recognizes Apple Command and Options as Windows and Alt. Does it not work going the other way?


Cable: fair enough.

Working the other way: yes, i've done both.  On Mac I use System Preferences to swap Win and Alt around - works fine!
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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 23 December 2013, 08:06:43 »
I don't know how long it would take an "engineer" to come up with a space saving keyboard. It has already been invented. if they really want to make a statement, they would make an 87 key layout that is bluetooth as well.  :thumb:

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 23 December 2013, 08:40:09 »
You could have light pipes to help get the light in.

Still, I don't believe it. As said before, this sort of response is doublespeak for "We don't want to say no, but we're not planning on it".  I mean, Unicomp hasn't come up with anything genuinely new in years. Their big thing this year was a crappy color scheme. I've waited for years for them to make ****ing black key caps as an option for their black keyboards (you know, since a lot of people like monochrome keyboards), but they haven't even attempted that.

They could easily do some anthracite gray keys with black lettering. They would look kickass in both black and white keyboards.

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Re: verified: Unicomp SSK in the works!
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 08:09:39 »
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