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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 03:37:37 »
Well, I don't know how to interpret it.. It looked like a black mask like cartoon burglars wear.
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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 11:28:26 »
Well, I don't know how to interpret it.. It looked like a black mask like cartoon burglars wear.

it's actually cuz you watch too much pornography... so the sexual associations are very near the top of your thought process..

Most NORMAL non porn-addicts would think.. a Ghost-burgler...

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 15:27:36 »
Sorry for the delay posting answers to your questions.  Was a bit wiped out after CES -- not to mention the month leading up to it.  Nothing like 12 hours of sleep to get you back on track...  :-)


Also some sort of adjustable tent/angle is a must after having used Goldtouch V2's for a while now, I couldn't go back to anything less in terms of adjustability.

Yes, we do support tenting via foldout legs.  Plus, there are standard tripod screw mounts (1/4"-20) underneath, so you can mount them to a small tripod for more adjustability.


Being an RSI sufferer while it's nice to have angle and splay it's also incredibly important to be able to change them periodically, otherwise you get relief for a while, until you have repeated those motions at those angles enough times, then you're back at square one.  Negative tilt is overrated IMHO, it's more likely to cause you issues down the road as most people using this will not be in a proper hand/wrist position.

Totally agree.

In fact, I would go so far as to encourage using different pointing devices.  Periodically switching between mouse and trackball can go a long way to keeping RSI away.


Great progress and I've loooooooong wanted a split tent/splay board with mechanical keys ... I don't think it's quite there yet for me.  I'll be watching and waiting for the v2 though ;)  Hopefully you'll take some of these suggestions into consideration for them. 

May be quite a while before you see a v2.  :)


Cool! Are the smaller keys mechanical too?

Yes, smaller keys are mechanical also.  We had to develop special caps for this, and the switch mounts are rotated 90 degrees.


And any chance of a Ctrl/Caps Lock swap?

We're considering adding it.  We've already had one other request.


Nice work! Appreciate any and all attempts at trying something new. Is the spacebar split into two spacebars or space/backspace?

Thanks!  Two spacebars.


It is really hard to be everything for everyone but I think this is a great release overall...

Yes, we had to make some tough choices.  I know not everyone is 100% happy with the result, but ergonomic keyboards always have a learning curve, and ours is probably shorter than most.


Also not sure about right CTRL.

Quite frankly, I think many people will just use the Left-CTRL.  It's big enough to press with the side of your hand, or with a hand closing motion.  I found myself doing this a lot.  Remember, you also have dedicated keys for Undo/Cut/Copy/Paste.


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It's programmable, it has to be... why would anyone buy it if it's not programmable..

Where there's a will there's a way. I'm pretty sure every keyboard is programmable if you take the time to do a little hacking, tweaking and reverse engineering, that is if it's really that important to you. Unfortunately though time is money, and not everybody has the time to screw around with stuff like that.

Moe Bricks is correct.  :-)


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 18:05:00 »
Sorry for the delay posting answers to your questions.  Was a bit wiped out after CES -- not to mention the month leading up to it.  Nothing like 12 hours of sleep to get you back on track...  :-)


Also some sort of adjustable tent/angle is a must after having used Goldtouch V2's for a while now, I couldn't go back to anything less in terms of adjustability.

Yes, we do support tenting via foldout legs.  Plus, there are standard tripod screw mounts (1/4"-20) underneath, so you can mount them to a small tripod for more adjustability.


Being an RSI sufferer while it's nice to have angle and splay it's also incredibly important to be able to change them periodically, otherwise you get relief for a while, until you have repeated those motions at those angles enough times, then you're back at square one.  Negative tilt is overrated IMHO, it's more likely to cause you issues down the road as most people using this will not be in a proper hand/wrist position.

Totally agree.

In fact, I would go so far as to encourage using different pointing devices.  Periodically switching between mouse and trackball can go a long way to keeping RSI away.


Great progress and I've loooooooong wanted a split tent/splay board with mechanical keys ... I don't think it's quite there yet for me.  I'll be watching and waiting for the v2 though ;)  Hopefully you'll take some of these suggestions into consideration for them. 

May be quite a while before you see a v2.  :)


Cool! Are the smaller keys mechanical too?

Yes, smaller keys are mechanical also.  We had to develop special caps for this, and the switch mounts are rotated 90 degrees.


And any chance of a Ctrl/Caps Lock swap?

We're considering adding it.  We've already had one other request.


Nice work! Appreciate any and all attempts at trying something new. Is the spacebar split into two spacebars or space/backspace?

Thanks!  Two spacebars.


It is really hard to be everything for everyone but I think this is a great release overall...

Yes, we had to make some tough choices.  I know not everyone is 100% happy with the result, but ergonomic keyboards always have a learning curve, and ours is probably shorter than most.


Also not sure about right CTRL.

Quite frankly, I think many people will just use the Left-CTRL.  It's big enough to press with the side of your hand, or with a hand closing motion.  I found myself doing this a lot.  Remember, you also have dedicated keys for Undo/Cut/Copy/Paste.


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It's programmable, it has to be... why would anyone buy it if it's not programmable..

Where there's a will there's a way. I'm pretty sure every keyboard is programmable if you take the time to do a little hacking, tweaking and reverse engineering, that is if it's really that important to you. Unfortunately though time is money, and not everybody has the time to screw around with stuff like that.

Moe Bricks is correct.  :-)



So, there's gonna be,  non-sanctioned programability?

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 19:40:14 »
Hey Matias, I sent you an e-mail, I hope you look it over and get back to me. Look forward to a response.

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 23:28:57 »
So, there's gonna be,  non-sanctioned programability?

I prefer the term "hackable".  :-)


Hey Matias, I sent you an e-mail, I hope you look it over and get back to me. Look forward to a response.

Sorry, I got a mountain of emails to go through.  If you tell me the username from your email address (everything before @) I can search for it and have a look.


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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 23:56:47 »
Hi Matias, I'm so ready for the 60% GB. Do you have a tentative month so we can all look forward to it? Feb? Mar?

And with Bro Caps planning a alps based Brobot, this is an exciting year for alps and Matias keyboard. Perhaps you guys can do a bundling!!
 

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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 14 January 2014, 00:20:52 »
Hope the upcoming 60% will be "hackable" as well.

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:53:29 »
So, there's gonna be,  non-sanctioned programability?

I prefer the term "hackable".  :-)


Hey Matias, I sent you an e-mail, I hope you look it over and get back to me. Look forward to a response.

Sorry, I got a mountain of emails to go through.  If you tell me the username from your email address (everything before @) I can search for it and have a look.



now... will there be a limit on the number of times the rom will be flashable?

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:10:57 »
now... will there be a limit on the number of times the rom will be flashable?

None that we've imposed.


Hope the upcoming 60% will be "hackable" as well.

Same IC so yes.


Hi Matias, I'm so ready for the 60% GB. Do you have a tentative month so we can all look forward to it? Feb? Mar?

It may slip to Feb.  We're really busy this month, so I don't know if we'll get the case drawings done before CNY (Chinese New Year).


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 14 January 2014, 23:29:08 »
Surprise to see you use the term CNY, common only among those who celebrate!  :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 14 January 2014, 23:55:32 »
Does the board use cherry stabilizers?

Are the smaller looking keys also mechanical?


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 00:03:47 »
He answered somewhere up thread or in another of the CES Matias thread that the small keys are mechanical alps and that they turned the orientation of the switch side ways.
 

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 00:48:40 »
Hmmm, it's nice to see another split keyboard joining the ranks, there's still only a few. I look at it in the evolution of keyboards over a period of time (with the exception of the 90's ergo-mania and subsequent business devastation).

Since I'm absolutely an Ergo Prima donna and self-appointed ergo-guru, I won't offer any input on the Matias split keyboard ergo offering, but I've always appreciated the Matias Mac line of keyboards.

Right now with Matias I'm far more interested in:
-the uber-quiet yet tactile Alps switches (gotta try….how about on the Traveling Tester?)
-the multicolor lighting aspect (the entire keyswitch is transparent! How about on the Traveling Tester?)
-the multiple legends of the keycaps (Mac version…totally addressing the anal, nerdy, cool Mac people!)

Kinda makes me wonder about a Matias/Alps clone Kinesis mod….anyone have any thoughts on THAT????
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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 01:05:01 »
He answered somewhere up thread or in another of the CES Matias thread that the small keys are mechanical alps and that they turned the orientation of the switch side ways.


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 15:44:23 »
Does the board use cherry stabilizers?

No, the stabilizers are custom-fit to this keyboard.



Are the smaller looking keys also mechanical?

Yes, and we'll be offering coloured caps for the smaller keys.



Right now with Matias I'm far more interested in:
-the multiple legends of the keycaps (Mac version…totally addressing the anal, nerdy, cool Mac people!)

You'll see that for sure.  We have all the artwork already done.



Surprise to see you use the term CNY, common only among those who celebrate!  :thumb: :thumb:

Yes, it's the only time I know I won't have to look at an engineering drawing.   ;)



Edit: btw, take your time, ha ha .. wallet need to recover!

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 08:39:52 »
Pre-order free shipping of ErgoPro and Secure Pro is only for those who live in the US and Canada.  Too bad for moi.

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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 09:44:28 »
Pre-order free shipping of ErgoPro and Secure Pro is only for those who live in the US and Canada.  Too bad for moi.
No it says free worldwide shipping in the page.

Also Matias shipped out of Taiwan for international orders. Even if you have to pay shipping fees, it cost US$15.
 

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 14:27:26 »
No it says free worldwide shipping in the page.
... for those who pre-order.

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« Reply #70 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 18:10:01 »

Yes, I know.

In his post he said pre order is only for US and Canada and I pointed out that it is for WW.
Pre-order free shipping of ErgoPro and Secure Pro is only for those who live in the US and Canada.  Too bad for moi.
 

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« Reply #71 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 18:24:23 »
No it says free worldwide shipping in the page.
... for those who pre-order.

Yes, this is correct.


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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 12:39:33 »
Question for people who made the switch to a non-staggered-layout keyboard: Did you switch because of RSI stuff, because you wanted to type more efficiently, because you just wanted to try something different?

I always thought they looked kind of fun but wasn't sure they'd be more comfortable or quicker to type on than staggered layouts.

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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 13:37:53 »
Question for people who made the switch to a non-staggered-layout keyboard: Did you switch because of RSI stuff, because you wanted to type more efficiently, because you just wanted to try something different?

I always thought they looked kind of fun but wasn't sure they'd be more comfortable or quicker to type on than staggered layouts.

I don't actually suffer from RSI, but I have to be very careful. I switched to grid/columnar layout, because it seemed to make sence, unlike the 19th century staggered relic. So far, there have been three major advantages for me:
  • B and Y are much closer to the "resting" home row position.
  • I've never been able to learn to touch type with decent accuracy on the right-hand part of the number row on staggered layout, because it doesn't make any sense. OTOH, I just move my hand/finger forward and the wanted key is just there on columnar/grid layout. It's much easier to learn proper, clean touch typing technique then.
  • I have rather short pinkies and I've always had to awkwardly curl my hands to hit the right keys with my pinkies on staggered layout. Words like 'away' are very difficult for me... unless on columnar layout. Then, it's an non-issue, because both Kinesis Advantage and ErgoDox reflect length ratio among fingers to certain extent.

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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 14:27:23 »
Hmmm, that's interesting. I'm like you, the right side of staggered number row, it's pretty tricky.

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 29 January 2014, 17:20:22 »
Okay, just want to let you all know that I'm doing an AMA ("Ask Me Anything") on Reddit tomorrow (Thursday) at 1pm EST (New York timezone).  The announcement is here...

   http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1wc0ku/news_edgar_matias_creator_of_matias_keyboards_and/

Any and all are welcome to join in.  I'll be online for a few hours, answering questions live.  :-)

« Last Edit: Fri, 31 January 2014, 22:26:57 by Matias »

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 23:27:24 »
No it says free worldwide shipping in the page.
... for those who pre-order.

Yes, this is correct.

The order form on the Matias site shows and Matias Help Desk confirms via email that there is a US$5.00 shipping charge for Asia.  Shipment to Europe is US$10.00.  Hence, no free shipping for those who live outside the US and Canada.  US$5-10 is acceptable but it is not free.

On a separate note, could Matias shows how the tilting and tenting works with and without the removable palm rest?  The Matias site has an animation showing how to tilt/raise the keyboard with the leg support coming down from the bottom of the palm rest. 

What will happen if one removes the palm rest?  No titling then.  Also, how do you tent the keyboard?  Could not tell from the animation.

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« Reply #77 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 12:46:11 »
i'm a proponent of column vs. staggered, i personally would never get a non column keyboard (hell i'd make my own ha) BUT i recognize that this is a great keyboard for ppl who are not ready for a column layout.

literally everyone is terrified of my kinesis, this is the BEST security measure on my computer, i don't need a password, i need a kinesis and ppl just look at it and forget how to type!

i had a friend who was suffering RSI, i just gave her one of my extra kinesis' (i was stocking them up for a while for projects) and if it wasn't for her pain and my friendly nagging to learn the kinesis (cuz at this point i took initiative to care about her) she really wouldn't have learned to use the kinsis. (now of course i get thanks).

the thing about the keyboard is that, the less you make it into a keyboard, the less ppl want/can use it.

this is about the best designed keyboard with that in mind, on a consumer level.

it's a split keyboard, mechanical, and has varing degree's on tenting and tilt, and for all intents and purposes, looks "normal"

hell i still come across ppl who think "yea those white microsoft split keyboards, was that a fad, those were silly keyboards"

because it doesn't look "normal" most ppl won't use it, hell that's most of the kinesis boards i buy from ebay, they're almost pristine and new, but because ppl can't use it cuz it's too "different" they use it once, store it in the basement and sell it on ebay 10 years later.

the ergo market has always been limited, i welcome more products. (if not for myself, then to suggest to others).

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« Reply #78 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 19:49:42 »
Any word on what the total width of the keyboard is?  I know tenting affects it somewhat, but overall narrower than say a kinesis freestyle, or wider?

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 19:54:08 »
Any word on what the total width of the keyboard is?  I know tenting affects it somewhat, but overall narrower than say a kinesis freestyle, or wider?

Dimensions are on their website:
14.5” x 6.5” x 1.38”
(36.8 x 16.5 x 3.5 cm)

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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 31 January 2014, 20:00:06 »
Cool, thanks, hadnt noticed that.  So overall maybe an inch narrower than a freestyle, which is nice...

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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 23 February 2014, 01:37:42 »
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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 13:55:15 »
Probably the closest to what I want out of a mechanical ergo keyboard thus far.  More or less a good layout without having to shift keys around like I would in a Kinesis or Ergodox. 

The only odd thing is seeing the 6 and F5 keys on the right side versus the left coming from an MS Ergo.  It would end up a challenge should I end up back in WoW as I'd normally need at least 6 number keys on the left side for commonly used abilities.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 19:25:47 »
One thing I’m curious about is the decision to put a ctrl key on the duplicate right-hand “B” position. In what situations would it be useful to hit the ctrl key with the right index finger?

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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 20:19:59 »
The only odd thing is seeing the 6 and F5 keys on the right side versus the left coming from an MS Ergo.  It would end up a challenge should I end up back in WoW as I'd normally need at least 6 number keys on the left side for commonly used abilities.

Well, for traditional touch typing, the 6 should be hit by the right index finger. Not having used any of the Microsoft split keyboards for any length of time, I have no problems with the 6 being on the right side. Certainly, all the non-standard/staggered keyboards I've used have the 6 on the right side.

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 14 March 2014, 20:28:34 »
One thing I’m curious about is the decision to put a ctrl key on the duplicate right-hand “B” position. In what situations would it be useful to hit the ctrl key with the right index finger?

I could imagine a few uses of the Ctrl key next to the B key on the right side. It might be possible to reach up to hit the key with the right thumb. The number of keys that should be hit by the pinky fingers on the standard/staggered keyboard isn't really great.

I can also see it being "better" (in the ergonomic sense) to hit the Ctrl key with the right index finger while hitting the "other" key with the left hand. But since I type Dvorak, I'm used to hitting common keyboard shortcuts with 2 hands.
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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 00:12:54 »
Thanks for the questions/comments...

It's true that the "6" key is traditionally on the right side.  Check any typing instruction book/software and you'll see what I mean.  Most ergonomic keyboards get this wrong.

Regarding the Ctrl key on the right side, there was a lot of internal debate as to what it should be.  Possible candidates included... Fn, Win key, Menu key, and a redundant "B" key.  Ultimately, we settled on Ctrl because it was felt to be the most useful.  On the Mac version, it will be an Option key.


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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 00:53:54 »
On a separate note, could Matias shows how the tilting and tenting works with and without the removable palm rest?  The Matias site has an animation showing how to tilt/raise the keyboard with the leg support coming down from the bottom of the palm rest. 

What will happen if one removes the palm rest?  No titling then.  Also, how do you tent the keyboard?  Could not tell from the animation.

Tilting and tenting requires the palm support to be attached.

We actually did a prototype that supported tenting without the palm support, but it was unusable.  User testing found it to be so uncomfortable that we decided we had to include the palm support in the box.

However, the palm supports are still removable and the mounting holes are standard 1/4-20 tripod screw threads, so you could always mount them on a small tripod to get any angle you like.  There are lots of small & rugged tripods available.  We felt this route was more flexible, less expensive, and better served users needs than say the Kinesis approach where you have to buy an extra add-on to get tilting and tenting.

The tripod mounts are also handy if (for example) you want to use the keyboard while standing on a stage or doing a presentation.

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 02:55:24 »
Matias; Can you confirm if there is a $5 to $10 shipping charge on international orders as someone previously mentioned?
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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #89 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 10:52:06 »
This is a really bold direction. I plan to drive out to MechanicalKeyboards.com to test drive this board once it's released to see if it's for me.  ;D

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #90 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 10:53:58 »
I'm fairly keen to pre-order one. Just not done it yet as I am waiting to see what the dollar does for a bit longer :P
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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #91 on: Sat, 15 March 2014, 20:38:29 »
I'm fairly keen to pre-order one. Just not done it yet as I am waiting to see what the dollar does for a bit longer :P

reps should just have the power and budget to give review copies to premiere websites... probably more worthwhile than doing a silly tradeshow like CES... who watches that? not consumers!

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 02:12:25 »
Matias; Can you confirm if there is a $5 to $10 shipping charge on international orders as someone previously mentioned?

Actually, there isn't.  Just choose one of the "no additional charge" options for shipping.


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 03:55:31 »
Matias; Can you confirm if there is a $5 to $10 shipping charge on international orders as someone previously mentioned?

Actually, there isn't.  Just choose one of the "no additional charge" options for shipping.


Ok, no worries. This means I will need to choose like an American shipping option, as I did check myself and it showed at $5 for Aus. But will do, thanks  ;D

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 16 March 2014, 04:01:36 »
Matias; Can you confirm if there is a $5 to $10 shipping charge on international orders as someone previously mentioned?

Actually, there isn't.  Just choose one of the "no additional charge" options for shipping.


Ok, no worries. This means I will need to choose like an American shipping option, as I did check myself and it showed at $5 for Aus. But will do, thanks  ;D




Yes, that's correct.  :-)


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 17 March 2014, 14:40:23 »
We actually did a prototype that supported tenting without the palm support, but it was unusable.  User testing found it to be so uncomfortable that we decided we had to include the palm support in the box.

I'm really confused by this response.  I've used (and I'm sure hundreds of other customers have as well) a kinesis freestyle that provides tenting without a palm support.  For years.  Without discomfort.

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 17 March 2014, 14:57:54 »
This is a really bold direction. I plan to drive out to MechanicalKeyboards.com to test drive this board once it's released to see if it's for me.  ;D

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 17 March 2014, 16:29:43 »
This is a really bold direction. I plan to drive out to MechanicalKeyboards.com to test drive this board once it's released to see if it's for me.  ;D

Another Nashvegas meetup?

Sounds like a plan. What's the ETA?

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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 17 March 2014, 23:24:24 »
We actually did a prototype that supported tenting without the palm support, but it was unusable.  User testing found it to be so uncomfortable that we decided we had to include the palm support in the box.

I'm really confused by this response.  I've used (and I'm sure hundreds of other customers have as well) a kinesis freestyle that provides tenting without a palm support.  For years.  Without discomfort.

Perhaps your desk setup lends itself well to this, but we have to design for a wide range of users and circumstances.  The palm supports are there for users who need them.  If you don't need them, you can certainly remove them -- or you may be pleasantly surprised to find that you like them, and just didn't know what you were missing.


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Re: Matias Ergo Pro debuts at CES
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 18 March 2014, 08:47:59 »
Just to be clear, if I need tilting and tenting, I can't remove the palm supports?

That would seem to be designing for a narrower range of users and circumstances, not a wider range...

The tripod mount hole is a neat idea, but I'm not sure I'm likely to find a 1.5" tall tripod to duplicate a normal tenting height.