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The death of the manual transmission.
« on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:05:07 »
This will be a sad decade, when car manufacturers stop building cars with a manual transmission. I don't care if a DCT will shift in 0.2 seconds. What matters is connecting with the car.

Manufactures are all worried about lap times, which is usually about a tenths faster than manual. I went to the dealer to look at the new all road. Mine has a 5spd and I love it. I was sadly mistaken about the new one. I asked the guy and he said oh you can shift manually, to which I replied ok, any cars in this lot that are manual? He said there are absolutely no cars that are manual and that I would need to order a car. And that car is an A4 if I still want manual. I guess I'll be buying a FR-S. Atleast Toyobaru still makes them with manual.

What do you guys think?
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:09:56 »
What's an all road?

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:11:09 »
You can afford a car at 16?
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:11:30 »
Up until now, automatic transmissions have largely been a US thing. There aren't many countries where you can even take a driver's license for just automatic as I believe you can in the US? Cars with automatic gearboxes are simply rare around here. I can honestly say that I haven't seen that many in my life.

Electric motors don't share the engines' need for a certain rpm and a transmission which ensures the engine runs in a certain interval. As electric vehicles become more common, so will fixed transmissions and the automatic/manual will become less of an issue.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:15:25 »
The 2015 S3 was a big contender for my next car, I've been following the press releases, etc, but its DSG only for the states. What a shame.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:15:49 »
You can afford a car at 16?

If he can't I bet his mom and dad can.....

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:18:36 »
I don't care if a DCT will shift in 0.2 seconds. What matters is connecting with the car.

I completely agree with this. 

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:21:48 »
Unless it's Mazda or Honda I could care less.

Clutch weight and definition has gone from Cherry MX Clears to Cherry MX Reds.  They have sacrificed pedal feel for muscle free legs.

Then you've got the shifter which is getting more vague and not smooth.

And of course the transmission which due to EPA regs has caused manufacturers to add rev hang to the mix.

I don't think the manual will completely die - but that it will be widely discontinued and all those sales will funnel down into 1 or 2 brands which will make it profitable enough to keep producing.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:24:07 »
Also, at least here in LA, manual trans is just not practical for day to day due to traffic. You'll never get the most out of a car because of it. And tickets. And cops. Which kill.

So that's why I'm getting a moto. Fast. Trans. No traffic.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:29:19 »
I live in Europe :)

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:37:47 »
I only drive manual. Can't stand slushboxes. Some of the twin clutch jobbies are okay (VW's 7 speed comes to mind), but you don't get that feeling of pushing mechanical pieces around to engage the gears as you do with a "true" manual and I prefer engaging / disengaging the clutch myself, thank you very much.

There'll always be people wanting manuals and I reckon it's enough of a market that there'll always be someone making 'em.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 09:50:29 »
The real death will be with the coming of the electric car (that needs no transmission at all).


But it seems to be dying in NA already. Sad. And electric cars won't hit the market massively for a few years still.


But once the batteries get a 400-500 km autonomy at a fair price, then it's going to be interesting. And I saw a new about a silicon thing that could lower the production cost of electric car batteries to 1/3 of their actual price (supposed to be released in 2015). This kind of improvements, once in production, will have a dramatic impact on the car market. Until then, it will stay the same. But these technologies could see the light in the next 5 years. And once they are released, it will mean more electric car sold and more money invested in developing them and the wheel goes on.


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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:36:41 »
Very sad, but with driverless cars an automatic is almost mandatory.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:32:30 »
What's an all road?
I attached a picture of it...
You can afford a car at 16?

A family member gave the car to me, in which I fixed the tranny over a course of a year lol.
I only drive manual. Can't stand slushboxes. Some of the twin clutch jobbies are okay (VW's 7 speed comes to mind), but you don't get that feeling of pushing mechanical pieces around to engage the gears as you do with a "true" manual and I prefer engaging / disengaging the clutch myself, thank you very much.

There'll always be people wanting manuals and I reckon it's enough of a market that there'll always be someone making 'em.

I don't see them making them for too much longer...
BMW is a strong contender, also the BRZ/FRS....

I have seen electric converted S2000's with a manual tranny still.
My allroad had a automatic up until recently...

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:40:04 »
I love the allroad and the A3, something about Audi wagons... I will ONLY drive stick, and fortunately, my next car will be old enough to still have one :)) With all the DCT's and CVT's nowadays, I feel people are disconnecting from their cars. Driving a car for most people is just commuting, while for others driving is, well, driving. I think more performance oriented models should offer a stick along side the other models. Hell, if they can throw paddles on the wheel, they sure as hell can take em back off.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:42:10 »
I thought the point of sports cars were to connect the driver with the car and road... I guess companies only care about "lap times" and the few nano seconds you save.

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:46:40 »
crash at a high speed and you'll be really connected to both!
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 19:49:19 »
If you get an A4 get manual Forsure! Both of my Audis were Auto and both of my VWs were manual. I had a way more enjoyable experience w the VW GTis! :)

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:45:29 »
I'm thinking of selling this one and getting an FR-S... I have the budget to pay it off since I live with my parents lol.
Reason being is, I will go to a track in the FR-S and really learn to "tell the car when to oversteer, understeer, or flat out grip". I can't really this when the sidewalls on my care are already soooo soft...
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:50:32 »
im curious to what you do that you can afford a 25k+ car at your age.


because ****, im doing something wrong.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:52:20 »
Well I buy and sell cars with my dad... Buy a Corolla, fix it, and sell it for more than what we bought it for.
I have an A6 at my dads garage that we're working on to fix after I sell my Allroad. Eventually I will be up at 20k.

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 21:56:50 »
oh so your dad is buying the car. gotcha.

for what it's worth, i'd go with the brz. simply for the rally blue.
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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:03:16 »
Not really.... A client brought the car in... So I would sell my car and put the 5k in the bank...
And 2k to buy it...
THe Allroad was given to me by a relative, and we drove the car down.  He helped a lot of the way lol.
But since I got my car, I've been job hunting.... I know a lot more than most teens at my age too....

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:49:36 »
Say goodbye to manual.. say goodbye also to crash/hill/jumpstarts without batteries or having to charge up batteries.

Also say goodbye to an extra skill required to understand more about cars, for now we'll have more idiots on the road as a result.

People who think they can drive a car when all they have driven are cars with automatic gearboxes have lots of say about their own attitudes with cars.
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:55:38 »
Say goodbye to manual.. say goodbye also to crash/hill/jumpstarts without batteries or having to charge up batteries.

Also say goodbye to an extra skill required to understand more about cars, for now we'll have more idiots on the road as a result.

People who think they can drive a car when all they have driven are cars with automatic gearboxes have lots of say about their own attitudes with cars.

Oh man.. I loved pushing my 92 Gti to get it started that was so fun :) such a light car!

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 23:21:40 »
Say goodbye to manual.. say goodbye also to crash/hill/jumpstarts without batteries or having to charge up batteries.

Also say goodbye to an extra skill required to understand more about cars, for now we'll have more idiots on the road as a result.

People who think they can drive a car when all they have driven are cars with automatic gearboxes have lots of say about their own attitudes with cars.


The problem with a lot of idiots driving cars with automatic gearboxes is that their brains are on automatic too.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 23:28:41 »
If you want manual you can still find them.  There are a few models out there that are thriving off of catering to the manual-minded folk.  There are quite a few, but the couple that come to mind from my shopping around are VW GTI/GLI and MINIs.  And pretty much any other car out there that's similar in style/intention to those.  Maybe they're not what you're looking for, but manuals are doing fine in the niche market they have in the US through a few limited models.

If you get an A4 get manual Forsure! Both of my Audis were Auto and both of my VWs were manual. I had a way more enjoyable experience w the VW GTis! :)

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 23:33:27 »
Say goodbye to manual.. say goodbye also to crash/hill/jumpstarts without batteries or having to charge up batteries.

Also say goodbye to an extra skill required to understand more about cars, for now we'll have more idiots on the road as a result.

People who think they can drive a car when all they have driven are cars with automatic gearboxes have lots of say about their own attitudes with cars.


The problem with a lot of idiots driving cars with automatic gearboxes is that their brains are on automatic too.

riiiiiiiiight. because no idiot drives a car with manual transmission. no person thinks he's a race car driver because he can shift gears. nope, none.

also, knowing how to drive manual doesn't automatically make some some type of car guru.

man, you guys are quite dramatic.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 00:57:56 »
Say goodbye to manual.. say goodbye also to crash/hill/jumpstarts without batteries or having to charge up batteries.

Also say goodbye to an extra skill required to understand more about cars, for now we'll have more idiots on the road as a result.

People who think they can drive a car when all they have driven are cars with automatic gearboxes have lots of say about their own attitudes with cars.


The problem with a lot of idiots driving cars with automatic gearboxes is that their brains are on automatic too.

riiiiiiiiight. because no idiot drives a car with manual transmission. no person thinks he's a race car driver because he can shift gears. nope, none.

also, knowing how to drive manual doesn't automatically make some some type of car guru.

man, you guys are quite dramatic.

Just as you are dramatic with thinking race car drivers would drive only with manual gearbox. You basically extrapolated what I said and magnified my response to be some anti-automatic driver basher.

Driving manual is more than just shifting gears, driving manual is more than making one think they are automagically some sort of car guru (when they aren't necessarily the case). What driving manual about is knowing how well one can perform driving a car based on various circumstances rather than solely depending on technologies to do what they do best in. For instance, it would be appallingly ludicrous to see an 18 wheeler with automatic gearbox hauling some heavy item (and the said item is slightly more than what the vehicle itself is capable of hauling). I would love to see one going up on a hill, the truck in this case would struggle to climb because the automatic gearbox would probably not kick to a lower gear early enough.

The same could be said likewise for steep hills on a car that does necessarily seem to have enough torque to climb it combined with a gearbox that is geared with fairly low ratios.

There are also countries whom have specific driving laws. For instance passing a test with a car that was equipped with automatic gearbox restricts one to drive cars with only automatic gearbox, whereas those passing a test with a car that was equipped with a manual gearbox are allowed to drive either a car with a manual gearbox or automatic gearbox.

Driving a car with a manual gearbox may require more brain stimulus than automatic gearbox. You imagine half the time people answering their mobile phones whilst driving a car for instance maybe are caused by the fact that they may not have been focusing much on the roads but instead on their mobile phones. Try answering a mobile phone with a car that has manual gearbox for the first time, then tell me how much involvement does it require for one to be able to multitask both. Also no, I don't condone driving whilst answering mobile phones but it goes to show that it is possible such technologies may have paved way for people to be less focused with the task on hand.

Last but not least, there are some rewards given to those who drive cars with manual gearbox. Once one learns to shift properly with clutch at virtually all the time, they can basically try and attempt clutchless shifts. It'll prevent excessive wear and tear on clutches along with engine and other running gears. Automatic gearboxes doesn't necessarily give you that same benefit with a torque converter in place of clutch and you have to more or less keep automatic gearboxes in good condition or otherwise you can pray and hope the hydraulics will do their bid despite being treated poorly. There are lesser parts in manual transmissions than automatic, therefore less complications.

I also want to add that not all race car drivers would necessarily be driving only manual gearboxes, there are professional drag racers that would swear by automatic transmissions.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 03:12:20 »
Say goodbye to manual.. say goodbye also to crash/hill/jumpstarts without batteries or having to charge up batteries.

Also say goodbye to an extra skill required to understand more about cars, for now we'll have more idiots on the road as a result.

People who think they can drive a car when all they have driven are cars with automatic gearboxes have lots of say about their own attitudes with cars.


The problem with a lot of idiots driving cars with automatic gearboxes is that their brains are on automatic too.

riiiiiiiiight. because no idiot drives a car with manual transmission. no person thinks he's a race car driver because he can shift gears. nope, none.

also, knowing how to drive manual doesn't automatically make some some type of car guru.

man, you guys are quite dramatic.

Er, not quite.

Driving automatic gives less incentive to learn about how a gearbox works, as the car does everything for you.

In a manual car, you need to listen to the engine and/or watch the rev counter and change when the car needs you to change.

You need to understand a bit better how your car works, and how to get the most out of it in terms of power and fuel efficiency.

Automatic cars just change gear for you, so you don't have to think as much, and there is less incentive to learn how the engine or gearbox works.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 03:27:53 »
You know what we got these days..

INTERNET..

Cars can go DIAF.. and they often do....

I don't want to get into a metal death trap. drive for 20 mins and wait for another 20 mid traffic.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 03:54:55 »
In a manual car, you need to listen to the engine and/or watch the rev counter and change when the car needs you to change.

You need to understand a bit better how your car works, and how to get the most out of it in terms of power and fuel efficiency.

Some have been saying that when the electric cars finally come in then that's the death of the current vehicle as we know it.......bullsh!t.  This talk about only getting automatic trans for all vehicles is about as daft when it was first talked about 30 years ago when I went for my traffic license.  Rowdy's right, knowing a little about what you're driving lends itself in knowing what possible problems you could easily avoid in the future.  I use to own a holden that always crapped itself because the tri-matic (auto) transmission was so fundamentally flawed.  My current Landcruiser is 100% reliable floor-shift manual that has been abused a few times but still keeps on kicking.

All I know is that the current technology has proven itself for more than 100 years and will still be readily available for some decades to come.  The manual transmission has proven itself across all fields especially with all industry and distribution chains world-wide.  The back-up in maintaining these vehicles is well re-sourced and understood in my field.

Not saying that some day electric vehicles will take over the world because they have somewhat in the Mining Sector already (all current Caterpillar Dump Trucks have electric motors fitted to each wheel housing).  Hence we already know how it works but the power still comes from a large diesel motor only.  The electric car relying on a power source ie, battery alone is still a pipe dream.

Until they finally develop a stable storage source able to power a vehicle for hundreds of kms without constant stops for charging, then the current system has no fear of disappearing anytime soon.  Plus where is the back-up for electric cars, because when that baby doesn't start, who will be able to fix it before it's needed to be used?  I've seen electricians fall over by the way-side trying to diagnose a problem with a simple circuit, so I have no problem choosing a traditional car to own and run because I can easily get it working in no time.

The key for the future is not so much the technology that's available but the ability to get it working in all conditions, anywhere and at any time, with little to no failures.  Plus having competent people who can get these vehicles moving quickly if a problem occurs, that's what's actually important here.
« Last Edit: Thu, 16 January 2014, 04:24:38 by Elrick »

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 04:00:14 »
As far as I'm concerned, mainly in the US people drive auto-transmission cars (why's that really?). In Europe at least, you'd rarely see these kind of cars, and I think you need a special license to drive them.

Plus there's nothing more satisfying to rev up and hear the engine roar!

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 06:17:06 »
As far as I'm concerned, mainly in the US people drive auto-transmission cars (why's that really?).
straight roads, big distances, cruise control.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 12:18:40 »
If you think manual will stop people from checking their phones, think again. Here in Miami people will put the car into 5th or 6th if the tranny has 6 gear and then they will check their phones, they don't know how to drive either. Driving an auto really means you have to do nothing. I saw a 4 car pile up last night leaving swim practice. Two cars went to turn at the same time, blocking Biscayne north bound and two more cars got involved. Driving a manual isn't about being some car guru. It's about connecting wth the car and really enjoying the drive. No one drives a car just to drive it, they really see it as a utility not a hobby. But some really love cars. Once manual gets to the point where you can't find the parts to fix it or make it better like shorter throw. I know you can buy them. But in another 20 years they don't be around and you will need to pay a premium. It's actually more expensive to blue cars with manual now than it was 20 years ago, reason why is they need to find a way to make the ECU "play nice" with the car.
In my all road I had to buy a new ECU and remove the transmission computer and the car now plays nicely with me.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 12:47:53 »
manual tranny

Is tranny actually a term for transmission?
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 14:04:59 »
Yessir lol.
Just don't ever say that in public lol.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:03:57 »
Using a manual transmission doesn't require that much more effort; I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it. It does give your car much greater utility though. I suspect (know) this is entirely a North American phenomenon though. Manual transmission will remain overwhelmingly dominant in the rest of the world (particularly Europe) until electric cars phase out transmissions completely.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:11:29 »
I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:18:24 »
Using a manual transmission doesn't require that much more effort; I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it.


Jesus Christ you are cool!

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:20:44 »
Using a manual transmission doesn't require that much more effort; I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it.


Jesus Christ you are cool!

what, no cold beer in the other hand?

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:46:36 »
Shut up.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:49:05 »
I was also wearing a leather biker jacket and styling my hair into a pompadour.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 15:50:11 »

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 19:06:05 »
Using a manual transmission doesn't require that much more effort; I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it. It does give your car much greater utility though. I suspect (know) this is entirely a North American phenomenon though. Manual transmission will remain overwhelmingly dominant in the rest of the world (particularly Europe) until electric cars phase out transmissions completely.
Whats going to happen to enthusiasts on race tracks? Will we have to worry about overclocking our cars?

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 19:15:36 »
Using a manual transmission doesn't require that much more effort; I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it. It does give your car much greater utility though. I suspect (know) this is entirely a North American phenomenon though. Manual transmission will remain overwhelmingly dominant in the rest of the world (particularly Europe) until electric cars phase out transmissions completely.
Whats going to happen to enthusiasts on race tracks? Will we have to worry about overclocking our cars?

Probably the same thing that happened to *race car drivers* on race tracks.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 19:18:45 »
Using a manual transmission doesn't require that much more effort; I regularly drive a manual while texting on my phone and smoking a cigarette without really thinking about it. It does give your car much greater utility though. I suspect (know) this is entirely a North American phenomenon though. Manual transmission will remain overwhelmingly dominant in the rest of the world (particularly Europe) until electric cars phase out transmissions completely.
Whats going to happen to enthusiasts on race tracks? Will we have to worry about overclocking our cars?

I seriously doubt electric cars will completely phase out IC engines during your lifetime.  Even if they do for the masses, you'd likely still be able to buy/build your own car.  So the enthusiasts will continue to be enthusiasts, existing in a specialized, niche market.

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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 19:24:05 »
I don't like the idea of electric cars, but it's going to happen one day. Same way we will all die if we don't find technology to travel to different planets.
As long as I can have electric with a manual, I might be ok.
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Re: The death of the manual transmission.
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 16 January 2014, 19:40:05 »
I don't like the idea of electric cars, but it's going to happen one day. Same way we will all die if we don't find technology to travel to different planets.
As long as I can have electric with a manual, I might be ok.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1084116_700-hp-electric-honda-s2000-built-by-high-schooler-video

I do. Electric cars are actually pretty cool. Having different gears for an electric motor can make sense depending on a lot of different things.

Firstly, the reason you need gears at all is because the optimal power RPM range is quite low. If your car produced the same power / torque across all RPMs (and could spin up to any RPM) then having gears makes little sense.

The reason lots of electric cars dont need gears is that they produce the max torque at 0 RPM, and have pretty high RPM caps. I read an article on electric dragsters a while back that was pretty cool. The concept of an electric dragster makes a lot of sense, due to that property.

But if the motor you have doesn't spin up high enough, or starts producing less-than-optimal power, then having gears in an electric makes a lot of sense.

I like a car with good handling. I like driving down winding country roads. I would be 100% okay with an electric car. That said, I really like my manual car, and I'm glad I learned to drive one. It's a lot of fun as well, though different than electric (I imagine)

Eventually, when I complete work on my hovercraft, I'll just drive that to work. 'cause if I'm going to build an electric vehicle, it's going to be awesome like that, even if it doesn't have gears.