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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 01 June 2014, 22:33:03 »
I dislike any version of the original trilogy except the original theatrical version.  I've seen the originals so many times the changes are really noticeable, especially where they dubbed in new dialog.  And there is no Han shot first, he's the only one that got a shot off.

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 01 June 2014, 23:08:21 »
I dislike any version of the original trilogy except the original theatrical version.  I've seen the originals so many times the changes are really noticeable, especially where they dubbed in new dialog.  And there is no Han shot first, he's the only one that got a shot off.


I really really wonder how many people would pick up on that shot if it hadn't been noticed by comic book guy..

It's so inconsequential.. Han's early demeanor couldn't have possibly been more clear that he's the badass cowboy out for the money..

This little change in firing order does very little to change the perception of that character and his metamorphosis post arc...


I am half convinced that you kiddies are just bandwagonin' on comic-book-guy's h8...


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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 00:21:43 »
Broke machete order...

I went through IV - V.. .decided to go into I II III  instead of skipping I..

I really don't see why people's h8n' on this movie either..  it's very different from IV-V and I'd assume VI, but i haven't seen VI..


But really.. these are kids movies...  in fact I feel while phantom-menace is very different, it seems like it'd be much easier for kids to get into due to pacing...

the Original trilogy relative to today's film fashion are MUCH slower and dragged out, there's a huge amount of inconsequential dialogue in there but Not nearly enough action to balance it out...

Have ya'll seen the new Lego Movie... It's like taking hits of Speed for what felt like hours and hours...


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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 01:11:10 »
I really don't see why people's h8n' on this movie either..

One word. Gungans.

I really don't think it's a big issue either way. Ep. II and III go well together, and Ep. IV, V and VI go well together. Ep. I wasn't *bad* per se, it was just unnecessary from a plot standpoint.

Only real info it gives that's truly necessary is Anakin's late induction into the Jedi Order, which could have easily been worked into a later movie. Some people complain about the acting in Ep. I, but there haven't ever been stellar actors in Star Wars anyway. I can only recall a couple of big names (Harrison Ford comes to mind...)
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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 05:48:32 »
Another vote for Despecialised in Machete order. We don't need no Jarjar in our Star Wars universe, thank you very much.

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 12:17:18 »
Another vote for Despecialised in Machete order. We don't need no Jarjar in our Star Wars universe, thank you very much.

I hadn't heard of machete order before this thread, but it makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 13:59:22 »
Another vote for Despecialised in Machete order. We don't need no Jarjar in our Star Wars universe, thank you very much.

I hadn't heard of machete order before this thread, but it makes a lot of sense.

ok.. so.... i really don't h8 jar jar @ all.. he may take away the seriousness a bit.. but...

I think perhaps the OG fans were taking star wars too seriously to begin with...

Which i'm not sure why because there's really not enough detail in the original trilogy to decidedly pin the series towards any CERTAIN attitude/ outcome...

Vs something like Startrek, where there's a very established language...  Star Wars isn't like that...

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 16:40:55 »
............... Episode 2

Natalie Portman and Hayden christensen...

I think these two actors were just a bit too stale, and made various segments of the movie extremely difficult to dive into..

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 16:46:04 »
............... Episode 2

Natalie Portman and Hayden christensen...

I think these two actors were just a bit too stale, and made various segments of the movie extremely difficult to dive into..

There is no chemistry. Christensen is hard enough to believe as a whiny Darth Vader, but that he is deeply in love with Portman? Nope.
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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 17:05:10 »
............... Episode 2

Natalie Portman and Hayden christensen...

I think these two actors were just a bit too stale, and made various segments of the movie extremely difficult to dive into..

There is no chemistry. Christensen is hard enough to believe as a whiny Darth Vader, but that he is deeply in love with Portman? Nope.

My physics prof this past semester loved to hate on Christensen. According to him, the guy only has one facial expression, no matter what he's doing, acting or not.

The Christensen/Portman scenes in Ep. II are the only star wars scenes I have ever willingly skipped.
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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 17:22:19 »
............... Episode 2

Natalie Portman and Hayden christensen...

I think these two actors were just a bit too stale, and made various segments of the movie extremely difficult to dive into..

There is no chemistry. Christensen is hard enough to believe as a whiny Darth Vader, but that he is deeply in love with Portman? Nope.

My physics prof this past semester loved to hate on Christensen. According to him, the guy only has one facial expression, no matter what he's doing, acting or not.

The Christensen/Portman scenes in Ep. II are the only star wars scenes I have ever willingly skipped.

haha.. yea. he's a cardboard cut out in this film for sure...

when he said..  not just the men, the women, the children, they're animals, and I killed them like animals..

I mean...   when you confess about KILLING 50+ more/less innocent (though backwards) people...   you'd think there'd be some more emotions...

and Portman had TOTALLY the wrong reaction...  yea sure, no prob, it's ok to kill people, you're angry, that's alright,  oh poor you, killed a bunch of weak level monsters with your amazing jedi skillz... please make babies with me...  blah blah.. blah blah blah.... bleh bleh..  wwaarrrgh..


Yea.. that scene was pretty awful...

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 17:27:49 »

well that wasn't his fault, just badly written script there..

hahaha

but the part when he confesses to killing a innocent women and children, there was a chance for him to really deliver..

and he crapped all over it.


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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 17:58:07 »
Yeah, the "slaughtered like animals" sequence and follow-up conversation was the one redeeming moment of actual drama in all of Episode II.

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 18:38:32 »
I mean...   when you confess about KILLING 50+ more/less innocent (though backwards) people...   you'd think there'd be some more emotions...

gotta stop ya right there.

He's a Jedi (or at least has been trained as such, up to this point).

"there is no emotion, there is peace."

He is trained to NOT show or act on emotion (though the massacre was indeed emotionally motivated!)

He's in a transitional phase during that scene. He has caved to the temptation of the dark side, and committed emotionally motivated violence (though arguably justifiable, or at least understandable; those people slaughtered his family... most people would want revenge... but he happened to be force-sensitive AND Jedi Trained, so he had the means to do so). He's not "evil" yet... but he's opened the door, stepped through, had a look around, and stayed a while. But then he felt bad (really bad!) about it... though he's still conflicted, because he doesn't feel TOTALLY bad about it. He's like "i feel terrible... mostly... but i also kinda feel they deserved it... but i think this means i've failed as a Jedi!" (although technically, it could be argued that he never officially ascended from Padawan to Jedi status, and the massacre was a large part of the reason why... which was motivated by fear and anger, which are things all Jedi are supposed to overcome)

Idk, i think it makes more sense if you've seen the OT first (because then you'd already know...
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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 22:00:21 »
Just finished II and III..

sigh.. I think maybe Phantom Menace was better, because it just got worse and worse

I think they really failed in telling Vader's backstory due to poor acting...


Hayden didn't make me BELIEVE....


I just don't feel bad for him.. and he didn't seem in that much pain, except for when he was burning and all his limbs had fell off..

But because it was his damn idiocy to JUMP blindly...   you can't even sympathize.


I will be watching VI next ...

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« Reply #66 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 22:50:41 »
Don't feel too bad, I mean, you were just watching backstory with those three anyway, right? Despite what George Lucas thinks, Star Wars is about the badass Jedi Luke Skywalker and his rise as the last of the Jedi order, not about some guy named Anakin.
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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 23:05:01 »
Don't feel too bad, I mean, you were just watching backstory with those three anyway, right? Despite what George Lucas thinks, Star Wars is about the badass Jedi Luke Skywalker and his rise as the last of the Jedi order, not about some guy named Anakin.

I think the large fandom must've been the avid imagination of the audience in seeing their own star-wars reality...  rather than the story presented...

If I look at SW objectively.. there is VERY little there...  similar to harry potter...


vs  say  LOTR,  or Game of Thrones...

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #68 on: Mon, 02 June 2014, 23:10:27 »
I think you should avoid the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special completely... The Ewok movies were made to cash in, and are really for small kids. The Holiday Special is so cheesy 1970's that it might will scar you for life.  :eek:

This.

An alternative viewing order is 4-5- 2-3 -6. It is called the "Machete Order" because it cuts away Episode I, widely regarded as the most annoying of the prequels. It presents episodes 2 and 3 as a look back in time, but episode I is not actually important in the larger story, so it can be skipped without missing much.

And this.

See the original theatrical cuts of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Refuse to acknowledge any other cuts or subsequent films were ever done.

And finally, this.  This is the main reason I still own a VHS player and a big reason I have a laserdisc player.

I know this has all been said (obviously, I quoted it), but I'm just seconding all the opinions.

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Re: Let's say... I want to Star wars..
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 03 June 2014, 13:12:13 »
I'm actually quite disappointed now that I've finally took the time to Thoroughly go through the Canon material..

This is like when I read 3/4 of book 1 of Harry Potter, and thought, WTF do all these kids like about this whine-y brat....