loser alert: twerp sells celeb nudes 4 ****coins

[paicrai]

ITT: hitler isnt responsible for the holocaust, the jews were

[baldgye]

ITT: hitler isnt responsible for the holocaust, the jews were

Yes, this is my argument...... you literally cannot criticize anyone if something bad happens to them, becasue if you do, your a holocaust denier.... welcome to the age of enlightenment.

[paicrai]

you are such a flip flop you're about to be sold in a beach kiosk holy ****

[demik]

saying you shouldn't do something stupid =/= to victim blaming

It's not a difficult concept, I don't know why people have such a problem with it.

Playing in traffic is doing something stupid.

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

So yes, you are victim blaming.

[baldgye]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Which isn't what they where doing though was it?
Where the iCloud servers located in there homes?
Did they have access to ALL copies of said images?

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing. The people who hacked there accounts broke the law and should and will be prosecuted, the reason the images are out there is becasue those people stole them, the blame is on them.

But when your someone famous, someone who has an image that you market you have to be a bit smarter about how you behave in all aspects of your life, that's just the reality of the world in which we live. Like someone mentioned earlia, people used to take naked Polaroids... but the difference with something like that is that its physical and can be very easily controlled and very easily destroyed. The problem with digital images is that you have next to no control, hell when you delete if off your computer the image still exists on your drive until its over-written, which you don't have much control over.
So when you take these kinds of images and share them with a SO your opening yourself open to having these images shared with you being unable to do anything about it, things like revenge porn, which is a very real thing and a very real problem have grown along side the growth of sexting, coincidence?


So please no, I'm not victim blaming, please be smarter than that. What I'm doing is pointing out that doing dumb **** like sexting, is dumb ****, but just becasue you do dumb **** dsnt mean you should be hurt, attacked, hacked or have your personal life put out in the media for all too see.

[paicrai]

[osi]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

[baldgye]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

[osi]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

[baldgye]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

[osi]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

[baldgye]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

[tp4tissue]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..



Stop arguing nonsense guys...     

[cherpalla]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

[tp4tissue]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...


It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

[cherpalla]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...


It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

I said seeing me naked in a SEXUAL way. There's a VERY BIG difference. If I went streaking and my family saw, I wouldn't care at all. SEX (for me, at least) IS PRIVATE AND SPECIAL. I share it with VERY FEW people, by MY CHOICE. SO IT IS MY CHOICE IF ANYONE ELSE SEES ME TOUCHING MYSELF PROVOCATIVELY TO TURN ON MY PARTNER.

Until something private of yours is released to the public without your consent, you are arguing a point that is completely incorrect. I am not ashamed of being seen naked. I wear tiny bikinis and go skinny dipping and run around naked all of the time. The context of the nudity MATTERS.

[osi]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

[tp4tissue]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...


It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

I said seeing me naked in a SEXUAL way. There's a VERY BIG difference. If I went streaking and my family saw, I wouldn't care at all. SEX (for me, at least) IS PRIVATE AND SPECIAL. I share it with VERY FEW people, by MY CHOICE. SO IT IS MY CHOICE IF ANYONE ELSE SEES ME TOUCHING MYSELF PROVOCATIVELY TO TURN ON MY PARTNER.

Until something private of yours is released to the public without your consent, you are arguing a point that is completely incorrect. I am not ashamed of being seen naked. I wear tiny bikinis and go skinny dipping and run around naked all of the time. The context of the nudity MATTERS.

The suppression of sexuality and nude-ness which includes (your context)  is a LATE creation.


The Romans did it right...  they were A-OK  for all sorts of stuff that today would be abhorred and labeled under Debauchery..

[cherpalla]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

If people were being spied on via their computers/phones people wouldn't say it was their fault for using the internet and their mobile devices. If your credit card number gets stolen, again, you're not going to be told it's your fault for using your credit card instead of cash. Pretty much anything other than private photos of attractive naked women seems to have the right to be protected, if they fall into that category, YOUR FAULT FOR TAKING THEM! Like... what?

[JaccoW]

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...
It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

I said seeing me naked in a SEXUAL way. There's a VERY BIG difference. If I went streaking and my family saw, I wouldn't care at all. SEX (for me, at least) IS PRIVATE AND SPECIAL. I share it with VERY FEW people, by MY CHOICE. SO IT IS MY CHOICE IF ANYONE ELSE SEES ME TOUCHING MYSELF PROVOCATIVELY TO TURN ON MY PARTNER.

Until something private of yours is released to the public without your consent, you are arguing a point that is completely incorrect. I am not ashamed of being seen naked. I wear tiny bikinis and go skinny dipping and run around naked all of the time. The context of the nudity MATTERS.

THIS

Context people.

[baldgye]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

I really don't think that it is and I think its unfair to compare them.

Sexting is a fairly new phenomenon, but its popularity has risen drastically, along with it has the popularity and pervasiveness of revenge porn. If you can show me statics that correlate so strongly between rape and the length of skirts women have worn prior to being raped then you might have a point.
An easier comparison to make would be Sexting and Vaping, except there hasn't been time enough for proper studies to be done on the effects, but still people jump on it like it's going to literally cure cancer and that it has zero down sides.

[tp4tissue]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

Absolutely...


Blame can only occur in circumstances of imperfect informational acquisition...


Thus, NO ONE is truly to blame for rape....  the true value of holding someone responsible for having committed rape is for deterrence..  it rights no wrong.



So, under such a system,, given imperfect information,,  we can say that BOTH parties are to blame...


Typically, rape is performed by someone close to the rape-ee..   so...  clearly there was something provocative in this relationship  that occured BEFORE the act of rape...


So.... yup...   Every girl should go back and read little red riding hood...  You wear a red cloak in the woods.. the wolf's gonna get-cha..

[cherpalla]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...


It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

I said seeing me naked in a SEXUAL way. There's a VERY BIG difference. If I went streaking and my family saw, I wouldn't care at all. SEX (for me, at least) IS PRIVATE AND SPECIAL. I share it with VERY FEW people, by MY CHOICE. SO IT IS MY CHOICE IF ANYONE ELSE SEES ME TOUCHING MYSELF PROVOCATIVELY TO TURN ON MY PARTNER.

Until something private of yours is released to the public without your consent, you are arguing a point that is completely incorrect. I am not ashamed of being seen naked. I wear tiny bikinis and go skinny dipping and run around naked all of the time. The context of the nudity MATTERS.

The suppression of sexuality and nude-ness which includes (your context)  is a LATE creation.


The Romans did it right...  they were A-OK  for all sorts of stuff that today would be abhorred and labeled under Debauchery..

You are so beyond clueless. There are many types of people, with various levels of exhibitionism. I'm not SUPPRESSED. I was raised in a household with ZERO qualms about having sex right in the damn living room or watching porn with your kids in the same room.

My privacy preferences do not come from the media... I knew what sex was when I was in preschool.

My privacy preferences are just a part of who I am, and THAT SHOULD BE ****ING RESPECTED. NOT ARGUED WITH. I have friends in PORN, plenty of them still have PRIVATE INTIMACY. I respect them either way, and they respect that my sexual life is completely private.

[baldgye]

For the record, I don't understand anything t4p is saying.

[cherpalla]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

Absolutely...


Blame can only occur in circumstances of imperfect informational acquisition...


Thus, NO ONE is truly to blame for rape....  the true value of holding someone responsible for having committed rape is for deterrence..  it rights no wrong.



So, under such a system,, given imperfect information,,  we can say that BOTH parties are to blame...


Typically, rape is performed by someone close to the rape-ee..   so...  clearly there was something provocative in this relationship  that occured BEFORE the act of rape...


So.... yup...   Every girl should go back and read little red riding hood...  You wear a red cloak in the woods.. the wolf's gonna get-cha..

No, the person violating the other person is the person responsible for that action. Period. Thoughts are uncontrollable. Actions involve more than just a passing thought.

[tp4tissue]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...


It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

I said seeing me naked in a SEXUAL way. There's a VERY BIG difference. If I went streaking and my family saw, I wouldn't care at all. SEX (for me, at least) IS PRIVATE AND SPECIAL. I share it with VERY FEW people, by MY CHOICE. SO IT IS MY CHOICE IF ANYONE ELSE SEES ME TOUCHING MYSELF PROVOCATIVELY TO TURN ON MY PARTNER.

Until something private of yours is released to the public without your consent, you are arguing a point that is completely incorrect. I am not ashamed of being seen naked. I wear tiny bikinis and go skinny dipping and run around naked all of the time. The context of the nudity MATTERS.

The suppression of sexuality and nude-ness which includes (your context)  is a LATE creation.


The Romans did it right...  they were A-OK  for all sorts of stuff that today would be abhorred and labeled under Debauchery..

You are so beyond clueless. There are many types of people, with various levels of exhibitionism. I'm not SUPPRESSED. I was raised in a household with ZERO qualms about having sex right in the damn living room or watching porn with your kids in the same room.

My privacy preferences do not come from the media... I knew what sex was when I was in preschool.

My privacy preferences are just a part of who I am, and THAT SHOULD BE ****ING RESPECTED. NOT ARGUED WITH. I have friends in PORN, plenty of them still have PRIVATE INTIMACY. I respect them either way, and they respect that my sexual life is completely private.

Something was responsible for that closeness you harbor for PRIVATE sex...

For example..  there was a case I read a while back, where a father sexually abused his daughter from an early age...

When the daughter was _rescued_    she had NO IDEA that what her father did was Wrong.. she was perfectly OK with it..



So, in YOUR CASE,,   something, be it society at large, or your own interpretation of External information,  must've CAUSED you to see sex as something SPECIAL and Private...


Whereas what's truly logical and al-naturale,  is how animals do it..   


the only reason that some animals seek seclusion is to avoid competition from other mates,, NOT out of avoiding victorian shame..

[osi]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

I really don't think that it is and I think its unfair to compare them.

Sexting is a fairly new phenomenon, but its popularity has risen drastically, along with it has the popularity and pervasiveness of revenge porn. If you can show me statics that correlate so strongly between rape and the length of skirts women have worn prior to being raped then you might have a point.
An easier comparison to make would be Sexting and Vaping, except there hasn't been time enough for proper studies to be done on the effects, but still people jump on it like it's going to literally cure cancer and that it has zero down sides.

The example was not for direct comparison--just an example of victim blaming.

The world is turning into a "pass-the-buck" not my farking problem mess. I'm not surprised to be expecting otherwise

Other examples of victim blaming :

Another driver crashes into YOUR car. The crash is now your fault because you put yourself in the situation in order to be crashed into by simply commuting to work that day. But you were at a dead stop at a red light. Sorry boutcha -- your fault loser

You go to the local burger (fish and chips) joint for a quick snack and unfortunately,  there are some bullies there from school/work and they sucker punch you. Dude, that is YOUR FAULT for being in the same place as the bullies.

[osi]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

If people were being spied on via their computers/phones people wouldn't say it was their fault for using the internet and their mobile devices. If your credit card number gets stolen, again, you're not going to be told it's your fault for using your credit card instead of cash. Pretty much anything other than private photos of attractive naked women seems to have the right to be protected, if they fall into that category, YOUR FAULT FOR TAKING THEM! Like... what?

^^^ this

[tp4tissue]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

Absolutely...


Blame can only occur in circumstances of imperfect informational acquisition...


Thus, NO ONE is truly to blame for rape....  the true value of holding someone responsible for having committed rape is for deterrence..  it rights no wrong.



So, under such a system,, given imperfect information,,  we can say that BOTH parties are to blame...


Typically, rape is performed by someone close to the rape-ee..   so...  clearly there was something provocative in this relationship  that occured BEFORE the act of rape...


So.... yup...   Every girl should go back and read little red riding hood...  You wear a red cloak in the woods.. the wolf's gonna get-cha..

No, the person violating the other person is the person responsible for that action. Period. Thoughts are uncontrollable. Actions involve more than just a passing thought.

Let's look at this more simply..


Adam and Eve...   2 people on earth...   because ADAM outpowers EVE,  he can do whatever he wants..


BOTH people are JUDGE and JURY...  however, because ADAM outpowers EVE,  he is the sole executioner..



What is wrong and right is irrelevant as is blame as is shame..  The greater power prevails, that is the ultimate truth behind all behavior..

[baldgye]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

I really don't think that it is and I think its unfair to compare them.

Sexting is a fairly new phenomenon, but its popularity has risen drastically, along with it has the popularity and pervasiveness of revenge porn. If you can show me statics that correlate so strongly between rape and the length of skirts women have worn prior to being raped then you might have a point.
An easier comparison to make would be Sexting and Vaping, except there hasn't been time enough for proper studies to be done on the effects, but still people jump on it like it's going to literally cure cancer and that it has zero down sides.

The example was not for direct comparison--just an example of victim blaming.

The world is turning into a "pass-the-buck" not my farking problem mess. I'm not surprised to be expecting otherwise

Other examples of victim blaming :

Another driver crashes into YOUR car. The crash is now your fault because you put yourself in the situation in order to be crashed into by simply commuting to work that day. But you were at a dead stop at a red light. Sorry boutcha -- your fault loser

You go to the local burger (fish and chips) joint for a quick snack and unfortunately,  there are some bullies there from school/work and they sucker punch you. Dude, that is YOUR FAULT for being in the same place as the bullies.

But again, I'm not blaming the people who took the pictures. I have said it a fair bit by now. All I keep saying is that sexting is dumb and shouldn't be something that is encouraged or just accepted as normal for society.

So again, the people/teenagers with severe mental issues are the ones who are to blame, they stole something that wasn't theres and treated it like a commodity. Not only that but the nature of what they stole also highlights how horrible they are and that they clearly have issues with morality.

[osi]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

Absolutely...


Blame can only occur in circumstances of imperfect informational acquisition...


Thus, NO ONE is truly to blame for rape....  the true value of holding someone responsible for having committed rape is for deterrence..  it rights no wrong.



So, under such a system,, given imperfect information,,  we can say that BOTH parties are to blame...


Typically, rape is performed by someone close to the rape-ee..   so...  clearly there was something provocative in this relationship  that occured BEFORE the act of rape...


So.... yup...   Every girl should go back and read little red riding hood...  You wear a red cloak in the woods.. the wolf's gonna get-cha..

No, the person violating the other person is the person responsible for that action. Period. Thoughts are uncontrollable. Actions involve more than just a passing thought.

Let's look at this more simply..


Adam and Eve...   2 people on earth...   because ADAM outpowers EVE,  he can do whatever he wants..


BOTH people are JUDGE and JURY...  however, because ADAM outpowers EVE,  he is the sole executioner..



What is wrong and right is irrelevant as is blame as is shame..  The greater power prevails, that is the ultimate truth behind all behavior..

Simplying that just turns the situation survival of the fittest. Also, I can't believe no one has told you. Eve is a transsexual from Thailand and can out squat and out bench adam easily. Little does adam know, there are three snakes in the garden of eden

[paicrai]

wow tp4 and baldass are getting slayed in this thread

[tgujay]

For the record, I don't understand anything t4p is saying.

It's ok, no one ever does.

[cherpalla]

Doing something private in the privacy of your own home with your partner that bothers nobody isnt stupid.

Once you digitise something, anything, and uploaded it to the internet, you loose all control over said thing.

This is a horribly bad interpretation of of rights. I understand you are from the UK where the leash is much tighter--but no matter the content, whether it be school documents or pictures. These should always be safe and protected by these services that we use.


edit - for spelling

I'm not disagreeing at all, they should, but we all know they aren't. I mean **** the FBI gets there **** hacked into... and when your a public figure your much more of a target. I'm not saying its right, but its just how it is.


---I guess I should clarify what I mean by 'control' I mean that, once you upload something to the internet it is very VERY hard to remove it. I mean actually control and manage that data, you can't manage all the information on some cloud server and how that is managed etc which a physical item like a Polaroid, you can control it absolutely---

Exactly. As users, we place trust in the services that are fast becoming integral parts of human's daily lives. A LOT of people have iPhones and store information in the cloud.

Now let's swap "stolen pictures" with "credit card info". If it so happened that an attacker was able to secure some payment information from apple's iCloud --- not only would apple being paying THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS in fines, just imagine how many people would potentially stop using apple services.


Theft is theft, no matter if the item is a digital picture or credit card info. Both items are personal and supposedly locked down under a decent security policy. Companies generally don't care if personal information is stolen as long as the company does not suffer any repercussions from the loss.


Until more strict rules are placed on the storage of "personal and private" data AND fines imposed for giants like Apple who fail to implement proper protocol in securing the user's data, you can bet on more of this stuff happening in the future

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I totally agree and when credit card information is stolen its a huge deal and **** goes down (as it is now). But that's just money, not really your privacy and you don't really have an option to not upload your credit card details to the internet or through some sort of internet connection becasue of the world we live in.


But with private images you take you have an option. And in the age of revenge porn, even if your not famous you still need to very super hyper careful what you do with images like that and 'control' is key to that, which is why I think sexting is dumb and stupid and shouldn't be encouraged BECAUSE of the dangers of people you don't want, seeing those images, due to, the lack of control you have over said images.

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

The flip side of this predicament is the unreasonably high pedestal that nudity is place upon..

Shame of one's own nakedness is a victorian invention..


From this fabricated shame, we've also created faux modesty..   and from there, began the forbidden allure that is today's prevailing view of nudity..


So... this technological fall out is again, a re-balancing of our value system with respect to acceptable human image and behavior..

This has nothing to do with modesty. I had someone from World of Warcraft hack me through Skype and steal photos of me and post them on Imgur and link them all over Twitch. It was the violation of my privacy. I took those pictures for ONE person to see and instead hundreds of thousands of people saw them.

I am not ashamed of my body in the least. I don't care about being "slut" shamed over taking nude photographs for my boyfriend.

I care about 1) my family seeing me naked in a sexual way, 2) my privacy being invaded and then subsequently shared with the world.

I would feel the same way about a stranger peeping through my window. VIOLATED.

The EXACT thing you described, is the EXACT  issue I'm talking about..

Why should you care if ANYONE including family sees you naked..   Hell they wiped your ass before you could do it yourself...


It is INDEED slut-shaming...  and that specific double standard   ontop of an already unreasonable quota for modesty,   IS the scale that is being tipped today, as softcore migrates to mainstream, and the ever growing presence and ease of access to hardcore content.

I said seeing me naked in a SEXUAL way. There's a VERY BIG difference. If I went streaking and my family saw, I wouldn't care at all. SEX (for me, at least) IS PRIVATE AND SPECIAL. I share it with VERY FEW people, by MY CHOICE. SO IT IS MY CHOICE IF ANYONE ELSE SEES ME TOUCHING MYSELF PROVOCATIVELY TO TURN ON MY PARTNER.

Until something private of yours is released to the public without your consent, you are arguing a point that is completely incorrect. I am not ashamed of being seen naked. I wear tiny bikinis and go skinny dipping and run around naked all of the time. The context of the nudity MATTERS.

The suppression of sexuality and nude-ness which includes (your context)  is a LATE creation.


The Romans did it right...  they were A-OK  for all sorts of stuff that today would be abhorred and labeled under Debauchery..

You are so beyond clueless. There are many types of people, with various levels of exhibitionism. I'm not SUPPRESSED. I was raised in a household with ZERO qualms about having sex right in the damn living room or watching porn with your kids in the same room.

My privacy preferences do not come from the media... I knew what sex was when I was in preschool.

My privacy preferences are just a part of who I am, and THAT SHOULD BE ****ING RESPECTED. NOT ARGUED WITH. I have friends in PORN, plenty of them still have PRIVATE INTIMACY. I respect them either way, and they respect that my sexual life is completely private.

Something was responsible for that closeness you harbor for PRIVATE sex...

For example..  there was a case I read a while back, where a father sexually abused his daughter from an early age...

When the daughter was _rescued_    she had NO IDEA that what her father did was Wrong.. she was perfectly OK with it..



So, in YOUR CASE,,   something, be it society at large, or your own interpretation of External information,  must've CAUSED you to see sex as something SPECIAL and Private...


Whereas what's truly logical and al-naturale,  is how animals do it..   


the only reason that some animals seek seclusion is to avoid competition from other mates,, NOT out of avoiding victorian shame..

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was talking about procreating. I was talking about intimacy.

You don't listen, nor understand the difference between basic primal tendencies.

Nothing MADE me prefer to be intimate privately. I'm not ASHAMED of anything. I just like sharing private things privately, without onlookers. I have a lot of art and writing that I privatize as well. I've kept journals since I was very young and would never allow anyone to read them. It's an option I have as a human being to share or not share certain things.

Stop telling me who I am and how I feel. You're not a psychologist.

[osi]

There is risk involved in sending a picture of that tone, sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that the data was supposedly secure in the first place. It is not illegal NOR wrong to posses these types of pictures.


Pictures should be secure as anything-- just as your address (Physical), geo-location data from pictures, e-mail addresses and anything else personally identifiable that is stored in the cloud.


How many users opt to enter their credit card data every time an app purchase is to be made? I'm guessing a minority--we trust the app store(and android market, etc)  in keeping our info safe. This trust is then extended to other areas such as keeping address info, tax information, e-mail address information, PICTURES...


So it is OK for an attacker to steal my address info, pictures etc just because I had the audacity to store them online with everything else in my phone??

I never said it was ok for anyone to steal anything, I said that it was dumb to sexty becasue of the risks.
When privacy is something that we have very little control over in this modern age of NSA and MI5/6 spying and monitoring you have to be more careful than ever.

Sexting is dumb becasue the gains are tiny, but the possible problems and downsides are so huge.

I'm not saying you're wrong but this is still victim blaming. Plainly put, this is the same as attesting tp a rape victim, male or female, is responsible for being raped because one chose to wore provocative clothing. The actual rapist had nothing to do with that right??

I really don't think that it is and I think its unfair to compare them.

Sexting is a fairly new phenomenon, but its popularity has risen drastically, along with it has the popularity and pervasiveness of revenge porn. If you can show me statics that correlate so strongly between rape and the length of skirts women have worn prior to being raped then you might have a point.
An easier comparison to make would be Sexting and Vaping, except there hasn't been time enough for proper studies to be done on the effects, but still people jump on it like it's going to literally cure cancer and that it has zero down sides.

The example was not for direct comparison--just an example of victim blaming.

The world is turning into a "pass-the-buck" not my farking problem mess. I'm not surprised to be expecting otherwise

Other examples of victim blaming :

Another driver crashes into YOUR car. The crash is now your fault because you put yourself in the situation in order to be crashed into by simply commuting to work that day. But you were at a dead stop at a red light. Sorry boutcha -- your fault loser

You go to the local burger (fish and chips) joint for a quick snack and unfortunately,  there are some bullies there from school/work and they sucker punch you. Dude, that is YOUR FAULT for being in the same place as the bullies.

But again, I'm not blaming the people who took the pictures. I have said it a fair bit by now. All I keep saying is that sexting is dumb and shouldn't be something that is encouraged or just accepted as normal for society.

So again, the people/teenagers with severe mental issues are the ones who are to blame, they stole something that wasn't theres and treated it like a commodity. Not only that but the nature of what they stole also highlights how horrible they are and that they clearly have issues with morality.

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

[demik]

how about the hypocrasy of the media when you have celeb mags and paparazzi invading peoples privacy. Now they want to white knight.

[paicrai]

alot of pooparazzi are hired by the celebs themselves though

[baldgye]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

[cherpalla]

WHY CANT I SEE THIS THREAD ANYMORE

[cherpalla]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

As long as you understand you cannot use credit cards, share personal data or do anything else via the internet or mobile devices with any more amount of safety.

[JaccoW]

I think we just broke the quoting system  )

[baldgye]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

As long as you understand you cannot use credit cards, share personal data or do anything else via the internet or mobile devices with any more amount of safety.

I understand perfectly, but if someone got my credit card details etc I have security on my account so when someone does try and commit fraud on my account the bank stop it (has happened twice already and I've lost nothing). And once stopped my details are changed and I'm secure again until the next attack.

[Novus]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

As long as you understand you cannot use credit cards, share personal data or do anything else via the internet or mobile devices with any more amount of safety.

I understand perfectly, but if someone got my credit card details etc I have security on my account so when someone does try and commit fraud on my account the bank stop it (has happened twice already and I've lost nothing). And once stopped my details are changed and I'm secure again until the next attack.

You know that's a red herring.

More

You've only lost nothing because they weren't serious frauds and they were stopped by automated systems which automatically shut down your card.
It's happened to everybody at least once and it's not a big deal when it happens.  You are also sometimes preemptively issued a new card sometimes out of the blue.
That's when the system works. It doesn't always work though and you've also have alot of people who have had their lives turned upside down by identity fraud. They can spend months or even years fighting this. You also have alot of elderly who fall victim to this kind of stuff. Yada yada it goes on and on. Sometimes icloud protects your password, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you've got explicit, intimate and compromising photos of yourself in varying states of undress and sometimes you don't.
Again, it's irrelevant.

Let's use some of your own logic.

Safety right?
You know you can't walk around nude safely anymore right?
I mean, some guys might break in while you're showering and take embarrassing pictures of you.
It could happen in a dorm room. It could happen in your apt. It could even happen in your own home.
OH what's that? Your locked door protects you and it's never happened to you before? Oh ****, I knew I should have reinforced my door with titanium.
Nope well too bad, maybe you shouldn't have been walking around nude in the first place. Maybe you shouldn't take showers anymore. Maybe you should never change clothes and always stay dressed. Stay frosty, stay vigilant.
So the moral of this story is that although bad people broke into your house, violated your privacy, took your things and snapped pictures of you nude - you're an idiot because safety guru here has never had this happen to himself and you should have known that doors only protect you from so much therefore you should have never been in such a compromising nude situation inside your own place.

Oh and before you say that icloud is something that you don't own. You don't own your apartment either but you have a reasonable expectation of privacy within both your apartment and icloud.

You keep saying that you don't blame victim but yet you keep calling the victim an idiot (because safety and common sense) and imply that they shouldn't have been doing something (legal) in the first place.

[paicrai]

SMACKDOWN

[baldgye]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

As long as you understand you cannot use credit cards, share personal data or do anything else via the internet or mobile devices with any more amount of safety.

I understand perfectly, but if someone got my credit card details etc I have security on my account so when someone does try and commit fraud on my account the bank stop it (has happened twice already and I've lost nothing). And once stopped my details are changed and I'm secure again until the next attack.

You know that's a red herring.

More

You've only lost nothing because they weren't serious frauds and they were stopped by automated systems which automatically shut down your card.
It's happened to everybody at least once and it's not a big deal when it happens.  You are also sometimes preemptively issued a new card sometimes out of the blue.
That's when the system works. It doesn't always work though and you've also have alot of people who have had their lives turned upside down by identity fraud. They can spend months or even years fighting this. You also have alot of elderly who fall victim to this kind of stuff. Yada yada it goes on and on. Sometimes icloud protects your password, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you've got explicit, intimate and compromising photos of yourself in varying states of undress and sometimes you don't.
Again, it's irrelevant.

Let's use some of your own logic.

Safety right?
You know you can't walk around nude safely anymore right?
I mean, some guys might break in while you're showering and take embarrassing pictures of you.
It could happen in a dorm room. It could happen in your apt. It could even happen in your own home.
OH what's that? Your locked door protects you and it's never happened to you before? Oh ****, I knew I should have reinforced my door with titanium.
Nope well too bad, maybe you shouldn't have been walking around nude in the first place. Maybe you shouldn't take showers anymore. Maybe you should never change clothes and always stay dressed. Stay frosty, stay vigilant.
So the moral of this story is that although bad people broke into your house, violated your privacy, took your things and snapped pictures of you nude - you're an idiot because safety guru here has never had this happen to himself and you should have known that doors only protect you from so much therefore you should have never been in such a compromising nude situation inside your own place.

You keep saying that you don't blame victim but yet you keep calling the victim an idiot (because safety and common sense) and imply that they shouldn't have been doing something (legal) in the first place.

True I've never been a victim of identity theft, but I'm not sure that's got much to do with anything. I know it's a real problem and that it can be a serious issue but that's not really relate-able(?) to what has happened here.
I'm also aware that you can never be safe, I drive daily and have been in a number of car incidents non of which where my fault.


I don't see what my opinions of someone, and the fact that they are victims are related.
As someone in a long term long distance relationship I think that sexting isn't a good idea and that doing it is pretty silly becasue of the ramifications. Rather than parroting all the media in saying how horrible this is (which it is (I've had to say that alot)) I feel it would be more important and relevant to highlight that this is exactly why you shouldn't sext. This hacking issue and revenge porn are two big problems associated and linked with sexting.

If you sext you should be aware of the dangers before becoming a victim, instead all the media seem to be doing (and people in here it seems) is attacking anyone who seems to point this out and acting like sexting is perfectly normal and fine and there are no inherent problems with it, when there are very real issues.


I might think that people who sext are dumb, I'm entitled to think that. But at the same time I do not think that the victims are to blame, they are the victims of a horrible crime.

[cherpalla]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

As long as you understand you cannot use credit cards, share personal data or do anything else via the internet or mobile devices with any more amount of safety.

I understand perfectly, but if someone got my credit card details etc I have security on my account so when someone does try and commit fraud on my account the bank stop it (has happened twice already and I've lost nothing). And once stopped my details are changed and I'm secure again until the next attack.

You know that's a red herring.

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You've only lost nothing because they weren't serious frauds and they were stopped by automated systems which automatically shut down your card.
It's happened to everybody at least once and it's not a big deal when it happens.  You are also sometimes preemptively issued a new card sometimes out of the blue.
That's when the system works. It doesn't always work though and you've also have alot of people who have had their lives turned upside down by identity fraud. They can spend months or even years fighting this. You also have alot of elderly who fall victim to this kind of stuff. Yada yada it goes on and on. Sometimes icloud protects your password, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you've got explicit, intimate and compromising photos of yourself in varying states of undress and sometimes you don't.
Again, it's irrelevant.

Let's use some of your own logic.

Safety right?
You know you can't walk around nude safely anymore right?
I mean, some guys might break in while you're showering and take embarrassing pictures of you.
It could happen in a dorm room. It could happen in your apt. It could even happen in your own home.
OH what's that? Your locked door protects you and it's never happened to you before? Oh ****, I knew I should have reinforced my door with titanium.
Nope well too bad, maybe you shouldn't have been walking around nude in the first place. Maybe you shouldn't take showers anymore. Maybe you should never change clothes and always stay dressed. Stay frosty, stay vigilant.
So the moral of this story is that although bad people broke into your house, violated your privacy, took your things and snapped pictures of you nude - you're an idiot because safety guru here has never had this happen to himself and you should have known that doors only protect you from so much therefore you should have never been in such a compromising nude situation inside your own place.

You keep saying that you don't blame victim but yet you keep calling the victim an idiot (because safety and common sense) and imply that they shouldn't have been doing something (legal) in the first place.

True I've never been a victim of identity theft, but I'm not sure that's got much to do with anything. I know it's a real problem and that it can be a serious issue but that's not really relate-able(?) to what has happened here.
I'm also aware that you can never be safe, I drive daily and have been in a number of car incidents non of which where my fault.


I don't see what my opinions of someone, and the fact that they are victims are related.
As someone in a long term long distance relationship I think that sexting isn't a good idea and that doing it is pretty silly becasue of the ramifications. Rather than parroting all the media in saying how horrible this is (which it is (I've had to say that alot)) I feel it would be more important and relevant to highlight that this is exactly why you shouldn't sext. This hacking issue and revenge porn are two big problems associated and linked with sexting.

If you sext you should be aware of the dangers before becoming a victim, instead all the media seem to be doing (and people in here it seems) is attacking anyone who seems to point this out and acting like sexting is perfectly normal and fine and there are no inherent problems with it, when there are very real issues.


I might think that people who sext are dumb, I'm entitled to think that. But at the same time I do not think that the victims are to blame, they are the victims of a horrible crime.

Unless you are a public figure, who is going to steal it from you? Mine got stolen and shared via a media outlet in which I was known on. People do these things for attention and money and the people who consume the stolen media perpetuate it and keep it going. If there was no one to get attention from, there'd be no money to make and no fame to begot from stealing said private photos (nude or otherwise, for that matter).

Dumbness is quantifiable. You cannot have an opinion on someone's dumbness. You can speculate to their level of intelligence, but whether or not someone is dumb is a matter of fact. What is unwise to you, is for you to decide. What is unwise for me, is not at all for you to even consider, so no, you don't have the right to tell anyone if an action that does not affect you is stupid. Am I going to stop posting pictures of my child on Facebook so my family can see them, just because someone could steal them? Nope. I'm not going to live my life based around the fact that other people are horrible. That doesn't make me dumb, that makes me empowered.

Maybe people will stop being so thirsty for peoples' private things, namely the men of the internet who fuel the fire to acquire private things from attractive women illegally? I'm certainly not going to stop being sexy as **** in private.

[paicrai]

Gotcha. Even if you don't feel that sexting is normal, there are plenty that could argue in the other direction. Personally, I have no problem with sexting. Disagreeing with sexting is also completely fine.


But simply disagreeing with an (normal, completely legal <sexting>) act is NOT justification for loss of privacy.

Glad someone finally got it.

The concept of sexting isn't something I have a problem with on the whole its just the fact you can't do it safely. Like I said earlia there was a Forbes post about it and the woman whoe wrote it kept telling people to sext safely, but never explained how you could do such a thing lol

As long as you understand you cannot use credit cards, share personal data or do anything else via the internet or mobile devices with any more amount of safety.

I understand perfectly, but if someone got my credit card details etc I have security on my account so when someone does try and commit fraud on my account the bank stop it (has happened twice already and I've lost nothing). And once stopped my details are changed and I'm secure again until the next attack.

You know that's a red herring.

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You've only lost nothing because they weren't serious frauds and they were stopped by automated systems which automatically shut down your card.
It's happened to everybody at least once and it's not a big deal when it happens.  You are also sometimes preemptively issued a new card sometimes out of the blue.
That's when the system works. It doesn't always work though and you've also have alot of people who have had their lives turned upside down by identity fraud. They can spend months or even years fighting this. You also have alot of elderly who fall victim to this kind of stuff. Yada yada it goes on and on. Sometimes icloud protects your password, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you've got explicit, intimate and compromising photos of yourself in varying states of undress and sometimes you don't.
Again, it's irrelevant.

Let's use some of your own logic.

Safety right?
You know you can't walk around nude safely anymore right?
I mean, some guys might break in while you're showering and take embarrassing pictures of you.
It could happen in a dorm room. It could happen in your apt. It could even happen in your own home.
OH what's that? Your locked door protects you and it's never happened to you before? Oh ****, I knew I should have reinforced my door with titanium.
Nope well too bad, maybe you shouldn't have been walking around nude in the first place. Maybe you shouldn't take showers anymore. Maybe you should never change clothes and always stay dressed. Stay frosty, stay vigilant.
So the moral of this story is that although bad people broke into your house, violated your privacy, took your things and snapped pictures of you nude - you're an idiot because safety guru here has never had this happen to himself and you should have known that doors only protect you from so much therefore you should have never been in such a compromising nude situation inside your own place.

You keep saying that you don't blame victim but yet you keep calling the victim an idiot (because safety and common sense) and imply that they shouldn't have been doing something (legal) in the first place.

True I've never been a victim of identity theft, but I'm not sure that's got much to do with anything. I know it's a real problem and that it can be a serious issue but that's not really relate-able(?) to what has happened here.
I'm also aware that you can never be safe, I drive daily and have been in a number of car incidents non of which where my fault.


I don't see what my opinions of someone, and the fact that they are victims are related.
As someone in a long term long distance relationship I think that sexting isn't a good idea and that doing it is pretty silly becasue of the ramifications. Rather than parroting all the media in saying how horrible this is (which it is (I've had to say that alot)) I feel it would be more important and relevant to highlight that this is exactly why you shouldn't sext. This hacking issue and revenge porn are two big problems associated and linked with sexting.

If you sext you should be aware of the dangers before becoming a victim, instead all the media seem to be doing (and people in here it seems) is attacking anyone who seems to point this out and acting like sexting is perfectly normal and fine and there are no inherent problems with it, when there are very real issues.


I might think that people who sext are dumb, I'm entitled to think that. But at the same time I do not think that the victims are to blame, they are the victims of a horrible crime.

[baldgye]

Unless you are a public figure, who is going to steal it from you? Mine got stolen and shared via a media outlet in which I was known on. People do these things for attention and money and the people who consume the stolen media perpetuate it and keep it going. If there was no one to get attention from, there'd be no money to make and no fame to begot from stealing said private photos (nude or otherwise, for that matter).

Dumbness is quantifiable. You cannot have an opinion on someone's dumbness. You can speculate to their level of intelligence, but whether or not someone is dumb is a matter of fact. What is unwise to you, is for you to decide. What is unwise for me, is not at all for you to even consider, so no, you don't have the right to tell anyone if an action that does not affect you is stupid. Am I going to stop posting pictures of my child on Facebook so my family can see them, just because someone could steal them? Nope. I'm not going to live my life based around the fact that other people are horrible. That doesn't make me dumb, that makes me empowered.

Maybe people will stop being so thirsty for peoples' private things, namely the men of the internet who fuel the fire to acquire private things from attractive women illegally? I'm certainly not going to stop being sexy as **** in private.

So sorry, clearly I'm the idiot here. But I'm not sure what point you or others are trying to make with identity theft and linking that to this. (I don't know about what happened to you or anyone else and I've no idea what it must be like being the victim, and have said before I'm not blaming the victims)
You cannot live in 2014 without credit cards and your information being on databases you  can't control, your forced to trust those systems with that information becasue realistically you cannot live without doing so.
Sexting isn't something that anyone needs to do, it is a choice. And as I've said it's a choice I don't think is all that smart.

I also don't see what 'being sexy as **** in private' has to do with sexting and empowering anyone...

[baldgye]

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Why are you even posting anymore?
This is a forum, the whole point of it is for people to discuss things, if you can't manage to do that and resort to random off-hand insults and picture trolling shouldn't you go and grow up? It's fine for people to disagree and have differing opinions, if we didn't sites like this wouldn't exist.

[paicrai]

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Why are you even posting anymore?
This is a forum, the whole point of it is for people to discuss things, if you can't manage to do that and resort to random off-hand insults and picture trolling shouldn't you go and grow up? It's fine for people to disagree and have differing opinions, if we didn't sites like this wouldn't exist.

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