Ergodox..

[tp4tissue]

Antique cars are nice too look at, but a pain in the ass to drive..


The same goes for rectangular keyboards.

[saturnotaku]

Antique cars are nice too look at, but a pain in the ass to drive..


The same goes for rectangular keyboards.

Only if you don't know how to handle them.

[Premonition]

How is the ergodox for the hands? Seems like a great design.

[SpAmRaY]

I got some ergodox pcb's today.....i just unpacked them and held them for a little while.

[Novus]

An ergodox is like a fiat.
It's small, tiny, ugly and it's not a real car is for women.

[Oobly]

An ergodox is like a fiat.
It's small, tiny, ugly and it's not a real car is for women.

Seems more like a Caterham to me.

Requires construction before use, is small and nimble and can be great fun to use once you're used to it, but requires some commitment. Not for people trying to compensate for something....

[tp4tissue]

An ergodox is like a fiat.
It's small, tiny, ugly and it's not a real car is for women.

Seems more like a Caterham to me.

Requires construction before use, is small and nimble and can be great fun to use once you're used to it, but requires some commitment. Not for people trying to compensate for something....

[tp4tissue]

An ergodox is like a fiat.
It's small, tiny, ugly and it's not a real car is for women.

Look forward 1wolf,  don't turn around...

[Air tree]

Keep on preaching the preach, Tp...

[tp4tissue]

Antique cars are nice too look at, but a pain in the ass to drive..


The same goes for rectangular keyboards.

Only if you don't know how to handle them.

Here's the thing.. I've tried so very hard to do that.. On my TKL, I modified the layout to a split layout, I completely changed my typing technique..

All of which HELPED..


However the ultimate missing component was the ability to TENT the keyboard to fit one's natural wrist angle..


And if you have broad shoulders, split also greatly alleviates the inward rotation stiffness.

Keep on preaching the preach, Tp...

[jdcarpe]

Have yet to see tp4's ErgoDox in pics. Need proof of life photos, tp4! Until then, I don't believe you actually even own an ErgoDox...

[tp4tissue]

Have yet to see tp4's ErgoDox in pics. Need proof of life photos, tp4! Until then, I don't believe you actually even own an ErgoDox...

[Novus]

An ergodox is like a fiat.
It's small, tiny, ugly and it's not a real car is for women.

Seems more like a Caterham to me.

Requires construction before use, is small and nimble and can be great fun to use once you're used to it, but requires some commitment. Not for people trying to compensate for something....

Wtf is a caterham ... let me google it...

oh



Remember my fellow decimeter size cocks, it's not size that matters. Width is more important. 

[paicrai]

[AKmalamute]

However the ultimate missing component was the ability to TENT the keyboard to fit one's natural wrist angle..

You know, with USB ... you could just use a second $5 keyboard. Tape them to each other at the 30d tent, and there you go.

[tp4tissue]

However the ultimate missing component was the ability to TENT the keyboard to fit one's natural wrist angle..

You know, with USB ... you could just use a second $5 keyboard. Tape them to each other at the 30d tent, and there you go.

I DID THIS...  I had 2 TKL, no tape,  I just tented them side by side separately..

The problem was with 2 usb devices.. SOMETIMES, the timing is a bit off..  so the keys might register slightly offset...  I even tried 1000hz on both keyboards simultaneously, didn't really help

[steve.v]

I'm gonna be biased, if you type qwerty as a layout, don't get an ergodox. Otherwise it's a very good ergonomic keyboard for sufficient layouts.

[PadawanGeek]

I've been offered an Ergodox with Korean 62g springs, lubed Clears, white stickers and Aluminium top....at about 320'ish (USD), worth it? I'm thinking real hard about it....

[orangeju1ce]

What layout are you using for your ergodox?

Also, how are you configuring the layout? The only layout configurator I could find is the one on the massdrop website.

[sakai4eva]

I've been offered an Ergodox with Korean 62g springs, lubed Clears, white stickers and Aluminium top....at about 320'ish (USD), worth it? I'm thinking real hard about it....

The joy of the ergodox is in building it. Not worth it IMO.

[Grim Fandango]

The problem is that for most of the day, many people are forced to use standard layout keyboards. That is why I am not interested in familiarizing myself with an ergodox, or other non-standard layouts. If I have one at home there is no point, since I do 95% of my typing in different work locations. I would only get it for the novelty.

Though I do use my own keyboards at work. So I guess that if the workspace would allow it, and I would not mind spending the money to buy multiple ergodox, it would be an option.

[sakai4eva]

The problem is that for most of the day, many people are forced to use standard layout keyboards. That is why I am not interested in familiarizing myself with an ergodox, or other non-standard layouts. If I have one at home there is no point, since I do 95% of my typing in different work locations. I would only get it for the novelty.

Though I do use my own keyboards at work. So I guess that if the workspace would allow it, and I would not mind spending the money to buy multiple ergodox, it would be an option.

Biggest disconnect for me is z-b on the qwerty layout. Otherwise I can swap out between ANSI-likes and the ergo any time.

[davkol]

Easy. Use ISO with the angle mod (i.e. ZXCVB shifted one key to the left).

[sakai4eva]

Easy. Use ISO with the angle mod (i.e. ZXCVB shifted one key to the left).

That means getting an additional keycap set and a custom board, at least for me

[tbc]

the ergodox is sufficiently different from regular layouts that it's possible to maintain separate muscle memory

[tp4tissue]

the ergodox is sufficiently different from regular layouts that it's possible to maintain separate muscle memory

This depends on how familiar and developed you are on your BASE layout..

I will not forget qwerty...

I have a non-standard modified qwerty layout on Egdx


I'd think for newer adopters or younger net kids,  they might be consumed by the Egdx, and never be able to pick back up on the rectangle..

Which is just as well, since the Ergodox is >> rectangle.

[davkol]

Easy. Use ISO with the angle mod (i.e. ZXCVB shifted one key to the left).

That means getting an additional keycap set and a custom board, at least for me

Huh? ZXCVB are all the same profile, as well as the extra ISO key. This means you only turn \ZXCVB into ZXCVB\.

Or do you mean that you don't have an ISO keyboard?

[sakai4eva]

Easy. Use ISO with the angle mod (i.e. ZXCVB shifted one key to the left).

That means getting an additional keycap set and a custom board, at least for me

Huh? ZXCVB are all the same profile, as well as the extra ISO key. This means you only turn \ZXCVB into ZXCVB\.

Or do you mean that you don't have an ISO keyboard?

ANSI all the way, fortunately or not...

[Data]

The problem is that for most of the day, many people are forced to use standard layout keyboards. That is why I am not interested in familiarizing myself with an ergodox, or other non-standard layouts. If I have one at home there is no point, since I do 95% of my typing in different work locations. I would only get it for the novelty.

Though I do use my own keyboards at work. So I guess that if the workspace would allow it, and I would not mind spending the money to buy multiple ergodox, it would be an option.

I'm forced to type on a number of different keyboards throughout the day, so moving from an ErgoDox at home to a TKL at my desk to a random Dell rubber dome or a client's MS Natural KB isn't a problem.  You adjust.  I make a few typos for the first 50-100 characters and then I'm settled in.  I assume it's like this for most people in my position (IT).  I don't have the luxury of using the exact same perfect (for me) keyboard everywhere I go, so I use it when I can and I suck it up the rest of the time.  It's not as hard as some people make it seem.

[AKmalamute]

I'm forced to type on a number of different keyboards throughout the day [...] I assume it's like this for most people in my position (IT) [...] It's not as hard as some people make it seem.

+1

I've been a dvorak convert for something akin to fifteen years. I can type qwerty just as well, and for the same reason. Now that I have an ergodox, I assume it will be the same ... although the left-hand bottom-row keys, ';', 'j' & 'k' (because who uses q?) seem to trip me up the most -- you use different fingers b/w ergodox, and row-staggard-squares.

[madik]

Kind of disappointed that i went with the Ergodox. It was a good experience building it, but writing on it is just pain. Hate that the keycaps in collums are in lines. Would be much better for me if the rows were in lines like on normal keyboards. Accessing the number's row giving me the most troubles because positions of number's keycaps are shifted than what I am used to.
Should have waited for some Phantom groupbuy and make a TKL keyboard with custom switch layout. But yeah i have my ergodox for just about a 2weeks. Will get used to it a bit more..

[Arcoril]

Kind of disappointed that i went with the Ergodox. It was a good experience building it, but writing on it is just pain. Hate that the keycaps in collums are in lines. Would be much better for me if the rows were in lines like on normal keyboards. Accessing the number's row giving me the most troubles because positions of number's keycaps are shifted than what I am used to.
Should have waited for some Phantom groupbuy and make a TKL keyboard with custom switch layout. But yeah i have my ergodox for just about a 2weeks. Will get used to it a bit more..

I know that feeling. It took me longer than a month of continuous usage until I could sit down with the ErgoDox and have it feel natural without really concentrating on how I was typing. I admit that during the process I cheated and used my old QFR out of frustration from time to time, but I'm glad that I stuck with the ErgoDox. It really does feel more comfortable to me but it definitely wasn't love at first sight.

[tbc]

it takes a hell of a long time to get used to edox.

2 weeks is nowhere near enough.  try 6.

probly more if you've never used a filco minila.

for people with typing pain, the benefits are enormous;if you don't have pain, maybe it's not as worth it?

[gcb]

i read the other day that learning to brush your teeth with your left hand helped your brain not age too much and prevented Alzheimer or something. of course it was not a scientific paper or anything. was probably bored reading the articles on playboy or GQ.

anyway, now i load random keymaps on each my keyboards every morning! ...i can type 5~7 wpm by 2pm.

[tp4tissue]

it takes a hell of a long time to get used to edox.

2 weeks is nowhere near enough.  try 6.

probly more if you've never used a filco minila.

for people with typing pain, the benefits are enormous;if you don't have pain, maybe it's not as worth it?

THis is HIGHLY dependent on how well you've mastered Qwerty in the first place.

I just got back from using a standard rectangle qwerty for a whole month.. (no dox @ all)


just did a speed run...    clearly... it's down to overall-mastery..