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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4200 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 13:36:41 »
Electromechanical engineer here with diverse experience miniaturization of complex electromechanical assemblies...

I literally created an account just to say this.

Scissor Switches are by far the best switch design

The only reason why this isn't apparent is because a vast majority of scissor switches are developed to be as compact as possible. The fact that the community is not pursuing a 4mm performance scissor switch is a travesty.

I assure you, if one were designed and manufactured with your needs in mind, a majority of you would prefer them for their inherent stability, smoothness, and crisp operation.

i like scissor switch. someone later mentions logitech perfectstroke for a larger scissor switch. that immediately reminded me of sean wrona (speed typist) who uses a logitech rubber dome instead of the das mechanical he had before (i emailed him asking if he'd actually managed to wear out a mechanical keyswitch, but he said spilt orange juice was the culprit). he says the speed difference between his logitech rubberdome and previous mechanical keyboard is insignificant. i went to check his site again:
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...have since switched to a Logitech Illuminated Keyboard k740. I do not particularly feel much of a speed difference between the two keyboards, although the Das Keyboard probably did feel better to type with.

how do you feel apple's butterfly switch compares?

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4201 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 14:35:46 »
And that last post bring me to my next unpopular opinion.

Mechanical keyboard enthusiasts more often than not, can't type.

I find it utterly hilarious watching many mechanical keyboard review and how to videos with someone who is highly regarded by the community as an expert. Don't get me wrong, they know their mechanical keyboards, but inevitably they do a typing sound test and you realize they can't type  :thumb:

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4202 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 15:22:25 »
not sure what you're getting at, since you didn't point it out, but if you're referring to my lack of capital letters and loose regard for punctuation, you'd be wrong. i touch type, have touched typed for decades, and aim for 99% accuracy. i'll have you know, it took me years after joining a gaming company to undo what i had learned, but i find i can't manage both styles (caps vs no caps) and using proper punctuation makes me seem like a prude

however, if that was just a tangent out of the blue, i agree. the guy who did keyboard.io said he didn't know how to touch type until he tried making his own keyboard. sean wrona technically can't touch type! i imagine this number only increases as people learn to type on their own and don't take typing classes. that was me for about my first decade of typing, but then when i got old enough to work, i got a job as a data entry clerk and had plenty of time to learn to touch type >.<

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4203 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 15:33:16 »
not sure what you're getting at, since you didn't point it out, but if you're referring to my lack of capital letters and loose regard for punctuation, you'd be wrong. i touch type, have touched typed for decades, and aim for 99% accuracy. i'll have you know, it took me years after joining a gaming company to undo what i had learned, but i find i can't manage both styles (caps vs no caps) and using proper punctuation makes me seem like a prude

however, if that was just a tangent out of the blue, i agree. the guy who did keyboard.io said he didn't know how to touch type until he tried making his own keyboard. sean wrona technically can't touch type! i imagine this number only increases as people learn to type on their own and don't take typing classes. that was me for about my first decade of typing, but then when i got old enough to work, i got a job as a data entry clerk and had plenty of time to learn to touch type >.<
Oh no, I'm sorry. I should have been more specific. I wasn't commenting on your typing at all but rather that the fastest typist known to man doesn't seem to care what kind of board he types on as opposed to a huge portion of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts who are very particular about their hardware but terrible typists.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4204 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 15:38:39 »
Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4205 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 19:16:22 »
Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))
Err, aren't you supposed to?

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4206 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 19:22:04 »
Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))
Err, aren't you supposed to?

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4207 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 19:59:01 »
Two years of HS typing classes (A's) and I still spacebar with my left hand :))
Err, aren't you supposed to?

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I was taught to hit spacebar with left thumb.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4208 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 20:19:21 »

I was taught to hit spacebar with left thumb.

Proper technique...

Always use space bar with right thumb

NEVER use Right-shift, EVER,  always shift with left shift.


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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4209 on: Thu, 08 November 2018, 23:28:41 »
Proper technique...

Always use space bar with right thumb

NEVER use Right-shift, EVER,  always shift with left shift.


I never heard that in typing class.  I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random.  When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb.  To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!

We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting.  If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift.  If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift.  To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way.  You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand?  Madness!

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4210 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 01:41:53 »
Always use space bar with right thumb

NEVER use Right-shift, EVER,  always shift with left shift.[/color][/size]

Agreed.   Although I do use right shift for punctuation marks. 
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4211 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 02:19:58 »
Although unfortunately I'm currently using an HP membrane piece of junk at work I'm glad I had it since it introduced me to the glory of flat keyboard cases and uncontoured/flat profiles. It's soo much more comfortable that even the mildly contoured and barely angled keayboards I've used until now.

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« Reply #4212 on: Sun, 11 November 2018, 19:51:55 »
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4213 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 00:19:47 »

The best Model M you can get is a brand new Unicomp Ultra Classic.

I don't know what bothers me more: that I agree with the second statement or that Unicomp doesn't make an SSK alternative.

The only way I can reconcile that thought in my brain is to assume you haven't tried a good vintage M (since individual specimens vary). Granted, I've only used one Unicomp, but it was such an atrocity that I sent it back for a refund. Model Ms from the '80s are much sturdier and the switch feel is great (as opposed to the Unicomp that felt like scraping a knife against a chalkboard). I do have a spare Unicomp barrel frame that didn't feel as bad when I put caps on it, but still not nearly as good as a vintage one, so maybe my Unicomp was just a lemon.

I'm curious, have you tried a recent (2014 or later) Unicomp? They have a somewhat lighter, crisper feel than previous Model Ms. I've tried a few other Model Ms, but none of them feel as light as the 2014 EnduraPro and 2016 Ultra Classic I've tried. It's a bit closer to the feel of a Model F, IMO, though the Model F is still distinctly different.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4214 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 14:14:26 »
The difference in quality between Topre and Cherry-style tactile switches is more apparent than Cherry and Rubber Dome.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4215 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 21:27:42 »
Proper technique...

Always use space bar with right thumb

NEVER use Right-shift, EVER,  always shift with left shift.


I never heard that in typing class.  I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random.  When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb.  To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!

We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting.  If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift.  If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift.  To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way.  You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand?  Madness!

This one is so hard after learning to type at the same time as learning to play first-person shooters!

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4216 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 02:05:32 »
Proper technique...

Always use space bar with right thumb

NEVER use Right-shift, EVER,  always shift with left shift.


I never heard that in typing class.  I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random.  When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb.  To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!

We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting.  If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift.  If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift.  To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way.  You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand?  Madness!

I don't know if this is textbook technique.  Even though I was taught to use both R and L shift keys, I use only left.  It slows me down a heck of a lot when I have to hit !, @, or Z.  Rshift is so foreign to me that this slows me down too when using punctuation.  I shoulda learned right the first time.

I only  use my right thumb to space.  There is so much wasted real-estate space on a keyboard.  The profiles could be made significantly smaller with a space bar of only 2.5 units.  It would also weigh less (more responsive) and have less wobble.  This would also quiet down that empty clack of the space bar. These all contribute to an overall feeling of quality in the board.  Any board with ABS caps that I have owned for years has developed a 1cm patch of shininess on the spacebar from my right thumb.  I don't know why this design has not caught on in todays keyboard climate.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4217 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 06:43:11 »
Yep, more keyboards should ship with split spacebars.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4218 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 11:55:42 »

I never heard that in typing class.  I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random.  When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb.  To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!

We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting.  If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift.  If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift.  To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way.  You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand?  Madness!


Typing class is like Gym class..  It's an introductory..

The Teacher most likely has a very low lvl of Typing-Mastery..  Even compared to Scrubs on ol'Gekha..


While it's true that there is no absolute right/wrong way to type,  we are trying to weigh the habits of the faster typers.


Such as,  Right-Thumb Space,  Left Shift ONLY,  Ring-Finger ' Q ' ,

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #4219 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 15:09:44 »

I never heard that in typing class.  I don't remember ever being given any instructions on how to use the space bar, and I ended up hitting it with either thumb more-or-less at random.  When I switched to split-spacebar keyboards it didn't take long to learn hitting space with my right thumb and backspace with my left thumb.  To me it's a big improvement over reaching waaay up to the corner and groping around for backspace with my pinkie!

We were taught in typing class, very specifically, to always use the shift key opposite the letter we were shifting.  If typing a letter with the left hand, use right-shift.  If typing a letter with the right hand, use left-shift.  To me this seems so obvious that I didn't even think about it being possible to do another way.  You want to try and hit two keys at the same time with one hand?  Madness!


Typing class is like Gym class..  It's an introductory..

The Teacher most likely has a very low lvl of Typing-Mastery..  Even compared to Scrubs on ol'Gekha..


While it's true that there is no absolute right/wrong way to type,  we are trying to weigh the habits of the faster typers.


Such as,  Right-Thumb Space,  Left Shift ONLY,  Ring-Finger ' Q ' ,

Nice, I do all those things. Maybe one day I can become typing master.
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