Yay for fatsos!

[berserkfan]

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30529791

The human rights folks have won again! In future you will be seeing more 300kg soldiers, rescue workers, professional athletes and supermodels... all protected from being sacked by disability legislation.

That's right folks, fatties must be protected from discrimination. It's official. I can't imagine how it is going to be in future long distant economy class flights, but I suppose since overweight people are already the majority in many developed countries, non-overweight people should also be able to claim protection as discriminated minorities.

Certainly it is very oppressive to be stuck between two fatsos on a trans-Pacific flight. Having flown beside religious Muslims, black Africans wearing traditional clothes, Shiv Sena supporters and more, I don't have a problem with them. But between 2 fatties... HELP! I will really die!!!!!

[inanis]

Yikes!

While I don't think being obese should be considered a disability, it probably doesn't help to go around calling obese people "fatties" either, even if they are substantially overweight. In some cases obesity can be a side effect of a real disability that you may not outwardly see or notice. I don't know...I try not to be super judgmental of others when I'm not familiar with the circumstances.

[iri]

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-30529791

The human rights folks have won again! In future you will be seeing more 300kg soldiers, rescue workers, professional athletes and supermodels... all protected from being sacked by disability legislation.

are you sure that Denmark's disability legislation protects people from being dismissed if they can't do their work?

overweight people are already the majority in many developed countries

wat.

[IvanIvanovich]

[MOZ]

I'm fat

[iri]

I'm fat

pics or didn't happen.

i'm a lardass.

[Photekq]

Yay for the EU yet again!

[Melvang]

While I can somewhat agree with the idea behind the legislation, I really don't agree with it in one aspect.  If you can't preform the duties of your job due to being overweight, you should be canned.  If you are military you should definitely  be canned.  It is just a job preformance/ability issue.  Besides if employers can legally not hire someone based on if they smoke I don't see why they shouldn't be able to not hire someone based on their weight.  The reason that some employers (typically hospitals) won't hire smokers is due to the fact that it has been proven that smokers take more sick days and cost insurance companies more money due to long term treatments for something they choose to do.  Granted obesity can have much deeper causes than just choosing to overeat/sedentary lifestyle, if you are obese, you should not be in the military or a first responder.

[dante]

I'm fat and I'm finally figuring out how for me to stay compliant on a diet.

The nutrition world is sending out all sorts of mixed signals:

Paleo: Grassfed beef/butter, non farm seafood, organic coconut oil/vegetables - if you can't do this you suck.
Frutarianism: Raw fruits only, maybe limited lettuce, maybe LITTLE avocado.  All organic or off the farm - if you can't do this you suck.
"Starchavore": via Dr. John McDougall - starch lots of potatoes / rice, no fat/oils - if you can't do this you suck.

"Fat makes you fat" - "yes it does!" "no it doesn't!"

"You MUST eat Organic vegetables - if you eat non organic vegetables you will get cancer!" - "yes it does!" "no it doesn't!"

"Eating fat will give you a heart attack!"  - "yes it does!" "no it doesn't!"

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Is it any surprise people screw up their bodies/metabolisms by every camp having a bunch of 'experts' who have science to back it up?

[Lurch]

 

[Melvang]

I'm fat and I'm finally figuring out how for me to stay compliant on a diet.

The nutrition world is sending out all sorts of mixed signals:

Paleo: Grassfed beef/butter, non farm seafood, organic coconut oil/vegetables - if you can't do this you suck.
Frutarianism: Raw fruits only, maybe limited lettuce, maybe LITTLE avocado.  All organic or off the farm - if you can't do this you suck.
"Starchavore": via Dr. John McDougall - starch lots of potatoes / rice, no fat/oils - if you can't do this you suck.

"Fat makes you fat" - "yes it does!" "no it doesn't!"

"You MUST eat Organic vegetables - if you eat non organic vegetables you will get cancer!" - "yes it does!" "no it doesn't!"

"Eating fat will give you a heart attack!"  - "yes it does!" "no it doesn't!"

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Is it any surprise people screw up their bodies/metabolisms by every camp having a bunch of 'experts' who have science to back it up?

Just eat a well balanced diet of everything.  You need fats, oil, sugars, all the "bad stuff".  Just less of it.  And try and minimize processed **** like velveta and cheese slices.  Go for the blocks of the real stuff.   That kind of thing.  Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I would say 99% of those diet quacks don't have science, they have psuedoscience.

[pichu23]

Yay for the EU yet again!

  i guess 1 thing is you guys take too much sugary stuff.
not everyone but like my uni mate, he puts like 5 packets of sugar in 1 cup of tea. 
another dude takes like 2 bottles of dr peppers within a few hours.

[dante]

Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I'm going to keep it real: Some people are sedentary and LIKE it. You are not going to change these people - and they are not going to be compliant at whatever the mainstream throws at them.

Basically someone with some STRONG nutritional and science background needs to come out and say: OK you are going to sit on your fat ass?  FINE.  Let's develop some sort of nutritional plan that will A) Keep you satisfied B) reduce the calories to a point that the scales needle will move while doing nothing.

[Melvang]

Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I'm going to keep it real: Some people are sedentary and LIKE it. You are not going to change these people - and they are not going to be compliant at whatever the mainstream throws at them.

Basically someone with some STRONG nutritional and science background needs to come out and say: OK you are going to sit on your fat ass?  FINE.  Let's develop some sort of nutritional plan that will A) Keep you satisfied B) reduce the calories to a point that the scales needle will move while doing nothing.

I have seen that done on discovery shows but that was for very extreme cases.  We are talking over 500 pounds to lose.  Their diet was very carefully monitored by doctors and nutrition experts.  They were consuming in the realm of only 500 calories a day.  Eating that few calories isn't the main issue.  Though willpower to not eat more than that is difficult.  The biggest issue is getting the proper nutrition at that few of calories.  Or you could just get up and move.

I do feel bad for people that are legitimatly trying to lose weight but it is proving difficult for what ever reason if it is an honest legitimate attempt.  But for those that the only thing for exercise walking to the car, to the office from the car and a return trip home, I don't have much sympathy for them.

[tp4tissue]

Well the  " Input-Output " camp is the safest camp if your goal is to tame the "Fatness"..


As far as Organic, BPA-Free, vegan,  That's all highly subjective stuff...



Now, Low Carb.. . this has to do with the psychological component of "Food-addiction"  rather than an energy source argument..

Because refined carbs are typically delicious, it offers immense "satiation, a neurochemical high", it is easy to Overeat..

But that's not the fault of carbs,  that's a failure of our reward circuitry to cope with the abundance of 21st century life..

[dante]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

[Melvang]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

I believe it has to do with the body going into starvation mode and then using muscle for energy instead of fat and storing as many of the calories as fat for emergency reserves.

[dante]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

I believe it has to do with the body going into starvation mode and then using muscle for energy instead of fat and storing as many of the calories as fat for emergency reserves.

Yes - I heard about losing muscle, but so what?  As long as one moves around you should retain the muscle you must have.  And once the weight is off you could always add it back in.  In the case of sedentary person they may not need very much muscle at all.

[dante]

Just found a couple videos of someone who might be dead soon:

If the videos don't appear, links:

Thoughts?

[Melvang]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

I believe it has to do with the body going into starvation mode and then using muscle for energy instead of fat and storing as many of the calories as fat for emergency reserves.

Yes - I heard about losing muscle, but so what?  As long as one moves around you should retain the muscle you must have.  And once the weight is off you could always add it back in.  In the case of sedentary person they may not need very much muscle at all.

The problem is then you don't have the energy to even move enough to retain muscle mass.  It also affects mental stability and alertness.

[inanis]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

I think they are coaxed into using it, but that is a very, very hard thing to do. I have a person who is very close to me that was extremely overweight - like 200lbs overweight. They had to have surgery at one point and couldn't until some of the weight was lost because of the risk of going under anesthesia. So far they lost about 100lbs with the help of a nutritionist, and it has been challenging - the surgery was also a success, it just took a while to get it done.

The trouble is (at least in my example) that they thought about food constantly. You have to train yourself to not eat. That is extraordinarily difficult. To go from eating pretty much anything, and pretty much all the time, to a 1400 calorie a day "healthy" diet is not an easy thing to do.

[tp4tissue]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

Fat is not ONLY an energy store..  it's also the lubrication for your joints, it's also insulation for your body..

The reason the body is not wired to just BURN IT OFF, is because during our evolution in the great-outdoors,   It was RARELY if ever possible to reach Obesity levels of Biggnness..


Our body is designed to manage total activity level (calories out), power requirement (rate of spontaneous output), and Storage (glycogen store for fast energy, and latent fat)

So you see it's a much more complex management system then simply.. let's use the-FAT..

THe body is tasked to HOLD ON to as much as possible not the other way around... again, a relic from our evolution during ages of sparse calories..


The body is also HIGHLY adept at power consumption..  It will also enter starvation mode at the drop of a hat, because  THAT's how it happens in nature.. you get a good week of eats,  then suddenly, OH-**** half your tribe dies..

In starvation mode, your behavior changes, you become lethargic, physically and mentally.. this greatly reduces activity level.. thus greatly reducing your energy use.. 

and because you're NOT MOVING,  your body will then decide, I don't need these muscles.. they're useless..   

Without activity stimulation, your muscle decides, I need to cut my expenditure..



So you see..  What's missing from all of these diets is emphasis on ACTIVITY level..



The modern conundrum is that activity level has change so drastically from 5-8 hours a day of HARD labor to.. sit on a wheely chair moving your thumbs..

Your body was designed for running and jumping,  but what do we do most of the time..







 

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Solution:

Send all the obese people to a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific, and make them survive on nothing but the native fruit and wildlife for 6 months.

Then go retrieve them from said island, and they'll be less fat.

By obese, I mean 200+lbs overweight... normal fat people are just fat.

[Findecanor]

The reason that some employers (typically hospitals) won't hire smokers is due to the fact that it has been proven that smokers take more sick days and cost insurance companies more money due to long term treatments for something they choose to do.

I won't believe that is the only reason. Hospitals are very special places when it comes to smoking. Hospitals have to care for patients who are hyper-sensitive to cigarette smoke, even that which is stuck in smokers clothes and lungs. A nurse that takes several short smoking breaks during the day can therefore not tend those patients.

Also, smoking can make surgery and recovery more difficult - and having hospital staff smoking would set a bad example for those who are trying to abstain.

[dante]

You see the problem..   Your body was designed for running and jumping,  but what do we do most of the time..

Surfing the web for food porn and keyboards?

[tp4tissue]

Solution:

Send all the obese people to a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific, and make them survive on nothing but the native fruit and wildlife for 6 months.

Then go retrieve them from said island, and they'll be less fat.

No, most of them would be dead.  I guess that does count as less fat.. but, it's not the solution .

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

Solution:

Send all the obese people to a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific, and make them survive on nothing but the native fruit and wildlife for 6 months.

Then go retrieve them from said island, and they'll be less fat.

No, most of them would be dead.  I guess that does count as less fat.. but, it's not the solution .

Amended solution: make it 30 days instead of 6 months.

Increases the chance of survival.

[tp4tissue]

Solution:

Send all the obese people to a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific, and make them survive on nothing but the native fruit and wildlife for 6 months.

Then go retrieve them from said island, and they'll be less fat.

No, most of them would be dead.  I guess that does count as less fat.. but, it's not the solution .

Amended solution: make it 30 days instead of 6 months.

Increases the chance of survival.

even 30 days would be a stretch..  I guess if we give them the water they need it may be possible..


But seriously.. the Professional Fat Camps for the rich people, do the lettuce thing..

You can drink as much water and eat as much lettuce as you want..


I think people should just do that.. if they have a fervent enough desire to drop weight..

[berserkfan]

Just found a couple videos of someone who might be dead soon:

If the videos don't appear, links:

Thoughts?

I hear echoes of the Marlboro Man in this Butter Bob Briggs.

I strongly suspect he is funded by the US Dairy industry.

[tp4tissue]

This guy wants you to eat 70%  fat ?

so.. yea..  I've tried eating a stick of butter.. Tp4 crazy  like that..  and it's good going down..

but... the 3rd bite.. is kinda hard.. and  if you eat 1.5-2 sticks.. it makes you dizzy. I felt like I was being poisoned. Which scientifically is my liver is going, Ffff you, what are you doing...

[berserkfan]

No, most of them would be dead.  I guess that does count as less fat.. but, it's not the solution .

Amended solution: make it 30 days instead of 6 months.

Increases the chance of survival.
[/quote]

Nonsense, these guys aren't going to be dead.

They've got like 200-600lbs of fat and water stored in their bodies. Should be enough to survive for months with minimal rainwater and just a bit of sugar (from fruits) to start the calories burning.

After they've lost that weight they will be light enough to do things like climb trees and pluck fruits.

Anyway one less fat guy is one less person taking up too much space on a 16 hour trans Pacific flight. As mean and nasty as that sounds, it is a good thing. And those people who don't think it a good thing, I'm more than happy to change seats with you on that 16 hour trans Pacific flight. Put your politically correct ass where your politically correct mouth is, and see if you still want to argue for fat being a disability and to defend fat rights.
 

[katushkin]

You won't have fat soldiers, rescue workers or athletes.

All of these people need to be fit for their "job", and being a soldier is not your usual job. All of the standards that apply to regular jobs do not apply to working in the military. If you don't pass bi-annual fitness assesments in the army, you have 3 months to pass them, otherwise you get kicked out. Plain and simple.

What this is saying is that you can't be fired for being fat. Just like you can't be fired for being disabled in any way, or being gay or trans or w-e. You can still be fired for being unable to do your job. Not being able to carry someone out of a burning building because you get out of breath getting out of the truck will mean you get moved to an office or laid off.

TL;DR - Can't do your job? You're fired.

[HoffmanMyster]

Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I'm going to keep it real: Some people are sedentary and LIKE it. You are not going to change these people

Then those people will likely have a much harder time losing weight and getting healthy.  I like to eat foods that are really unhealthy.  But if I'm trying to lose weight?  Yeah, I'm gonna cut back.  Because that's what I need to do.  Why should getting up and moving be any different?  If it were easy, people wouldn't be overweight.

[tp4tissue]

No, most of them would be dead.  I guess that does count as less fat.. but, it's not the solution .


Amended solution: make it 30 days instead of 6 months.

Increases the chance of survival.

Nonsense, these guys aren't going to be dead.

They've got like 200-600lbs of fat and water stored in their bodies. Should be enough to survive for months with minimal rainwater and just a bit of sugar (from fruits) to start the calories burning.

After they've lost that weight they will be light enough to do things like climb trees and pluck fruits.

Anyway one less fat guy is one less person taking up too much space on a 16 hour trans Pacific flight. As mean and nasty as that sounds, it is a good thing. And those people who don't think it a good thing, I'm more than happy to change seats with you on that 16 hour trans Pacific flight. Put your politically correct ass where your politically correct mouth is, and see if you still want to argue for fat being a disability and to defend fat rights.
 

um... I'm pretty sure that if we're talking about Really big people..  rapid weightloss through "starvation" will cause necrosis of their remaining skin tissue and lead to infection.. and  yea, they're probably gonna die..

[tp4tissue]

Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I'm going to keep it real: Some people are sedentary and LIKE it. You are not going to change these people

Then those people will likely have a much harder time losing weight and getting healthy.  I like to eat foods that are really unhealthy.  But if I'm trying to lose weight?  Yeah, I'm gonna cut back.  Because that's what I need to do.  Why should getting up and moving be any different?  If it were easy, people wouldn't be overweight.

If I got out of my computer chair.. WTF would I do.. seriously.. WAHT... tell me..........

[inanis]

This guy wants you to eat 70%  fat ?

so.. yea..  I've tried eating a stick of butter.. Tp4 crazy  like that..  and it's good going down..

but... the 3rd bite.. is kinda hard.. and  if you eat 1.5-2 sticks.. it makes you dizzy. I felt like I was being poisoned. Which scientifically is my liver is going, Ffff you, what are you doing...

Who the hell eats two sticks of butter! You are crazy, man!

[Melvang]

Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I'm going to keep it real: Some people are sedentary and LIKE it. You are not going to change these people

Then those people will likely have a much harder time losing weight and getting healthy.  I like to eat foods that are really unhealthy.  But if I'm trying to lose weight?  Yeah, I'm gonna cut back.  Because that's what I need to do.  Why should getting up and moving be any different?  If it were easy, people wouldn't be overweight.

If I got out of my computer chair.. WTF would I do.. seriously.. WAHT... tell me..........

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I keep hearing the resolution and frame rates outside are insane.

[tp4tissue]

Also, don't lead a sedantary life style.  Just get up, get outside and do stuff.  Not trying to preach or **** down your throat, I am just a very blunt person.  Some people it can be very difficult if genetics are playing a factor, which I believe it can and does in some people.

I'm going to keep it real: Some people are sedentary and LIKE it. You are not going to change these people

Then those people will likely have a much harder time losing weight and getting healthy.  I like to eat foods that are really unhealthy.  But if I'm trying to lose weight?  Yeah, I'm gonna cut back.  Because that's what I need to do.  Why should getting up and moving be any different?  If it were easy, people wouldn't be overweight.

If I got out of my computer chair.. WTF would I do.. seriously.. WAHT... tell me..........

Show Image

I keep hearing the resolution and frame rates outside are insane.

Yea, but I don't have cheat code to get BFG, and all the NPCs have invincibility..

[tp4tissue]

This guy wants you to eat 70%  fat ?

so.. yea..  I've tried eating a stick of butter.. Tp4 crazy  like that..  and it's good going down..

but... the 3rd bite.. is kinda hard.. and  if you eat 1.5-2 sticks.. it makes you dizzy. I felt like I was being poisoned. Which scientifically is my liver is going, Ffff you, what are you doing...

Who the hell eats two sticks of butter! You are crazy, man!

I do lots of things for science. .you're welcome..

[berserkfan]

This guy wants you to eat 70%  fat ?

so.. yea..  I've tried eating a stick of butter.. Tp4 crazy  like that..  and it's good going down..

but... the 3rd bite.. is kinda hard.. and  if you eat 1.5-2 sticks.. it makes you dizzy. I felt like I was being poisoned. Which scientifically is my liver is going, Ffff you, what are you doing...

Who the hell eats two sticks of butter! You are crazy, man!

That is why I am sure that guy was funded by the dairy industry.

[tjcaustin]

Congrats for becoming number one gh troll na.

[katushkin]

Congrats for becoming number one gh troll na.

Woah woah woah.

Joint first.

[jacobolus]

berserkfan: do you really hate everyone, or are you just a (kinda boring) troll?

(as compared to e.g. MS Windows, who is a highly entertaining troll)

[IPT]

Congrats for becoming number one gh troll na.

psh, that's like becoming Grand Master in SEA.
Talk to me when you're number one KR.

[rowdy]

Anyone read Incompetence?

Also ...

[iri]

Amended solution: make it 30 days instead of 6 months.

Increases the chance of survival.

Nonsense, these guys aren't going to be dead.

They've got like 200-600lbs of fat and water stored in their bodies. Should be enough to survive for months with minimal rainwater and just a bit of sugar (from fruits) to start the calories burning.

After they've lost that weight they will be light enough to do things like climb trees and pluck fruits.

Anyway one less fat guy is one less person taking up too much space on a 16 hour trans Pacific flight. As mean and nasty as that sounds, it is a good thing. And those people who don't think it a good thing, I'm more than happy to change seats with you on that 16 hour trans Pacific flight. Put your politically correct ass where your politically correct mouth is, and see if you still want to argue for fat being a disability and to defend fat rights.
 

Not enough "lah" in this post.

[noisyturtle]

No, most of them would be dead.  I guess that does count as less fat.. but, it's not the solution .

Amended solution: make it 30 days instead of 6 months.

Increases the chance of survival.

Nonsense, these guys aren't going to be dead.

They've got like 200-600lbs of fat and water stored in their bodies. Should be enough to survive for months with minimal rainwater and just a bit of sugar (from fruits) to start the calories burning.

After they've lost that weight they will be light enough to do things like climb trees and pluck fruits.

Anyway one less fat guy is one less person taking up too much space on a 16 hour trans Pacific flight. As mean and nasty as that sounds, it is a good thing. And those people who don't think it a good thing, I'm more than happy to change seats with you on that 16 hour trans Pacific flight. Put your politically correct ass where your politically correct mouth is, and see if you still want to argue for fat being a disability and to defend fat rights.
 

Not enough "lah" in this post.
[/quote]

There was a study where an obese man lived off his body mass for something like 9 months.

[YoungMichael88]

No one could ever answer the following to my satisfaction:

If you are fat, and I mean - someone who has over 50lbs to lose: if you cover all your minimum vitamin/mineral/fat/carb/fiber/protein requirements - why do calories matter?  Sure you may need 500-750 cals a day for immediate energy, but you have all this FAT!   In that scenario your body should be coaxed into using it.  That's the whole point of fat in the first place.

But I agree no sympathy - and definitely jacked up insurance rates + higher food taxes for those who don't want to change and become a burden on society.

Well, here's a real life testimonial. 5 months ago I changed the way I eat completely and I log everything into myfitnesspal. I was fat. Still am. But I'm down 70 pounds so far.
You asked why calories matter if you hit your nutritional needs like carbs/fat/protein. Well, those three categories are the most important and they work based on percentages for each meal. For me it's 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. This is what having a "balanced diet" is. You can eat all day every day and consume massive amounts of calories and still hit the proper percentages for a "balanced diet". But you'll gain a ton of weight if you do that.
So you still need to know how many calories your body will burn at rest. This is called the basal metabolic rate. Any calories burned from cardio or other exercise need to be added to this BMR number and then you have to eat less than that to lose weight. But not too much less or your body kind of panics thinking its starving and begins to store fat it thinks it needs and eats away your muscle. It's your bodies way of prioritizing I guess. So even tho there is a bunch of stored energy as fat, the body looks at that as kind of a supplementary source rather than a primary source for those days where you don't eat quite enough.
My suggested calorie consumption before any exercise is 1700 a day to maintain a 2 pound per week weight loss. That 1700 will get lower and lower as I get lighter (I started at something like 2500 calories a day). On the flip side, if I don't eat more than 1200 a day, I get a warning that my body might shift into the dreaded "starvation mode".

Hopefully this answers your question.

Also if anyone is interested in knowing what foods I cut out, here it is. Cutting all this stuff out is not necessary in most cases but I do it anyway. It's very hard and it works very well (for me).

-No dairy
-No bread, pasta, or grains
-No caffeine
-No added salt
-No processed foods of any kind
-No sugar that isn't natural in fruits etc. So no junk food, period.
-And only eat red meat on occasion.

I get my calcium and other vitamins in other ways.

[berserkfan]

Well, here's a real life testimonial. 5 months ago I changed the way I eat completely and I log everything into myfitnesspal. I was fat. Still am. But I'm down 70 pounds so far.
You asked why calories matter if you hit your nutritional needs like carbs/fat/protein. Well, those three categories are the most important and they work based on percentages for each meal. For me it's 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. This is what having a "balanced diet" is. You can eat all day every day and consume massive amounts of calories and still hit the proper percentages for a "balanced diet". But you'll gain a ton of weight if you do that.
So you still need to know how many calories your body will burn at rest. This is called the basal metabolic rate. Any calories burned from cardio or other exercise need to be added to this BMR number and then you have to eat less than that to lose weight.
My suggested calorie consumption before any exercise is 1700 a day to maintain a 2 pound per week weight loss. That 1700 will get lower and lower as I get lighter (I started at something like 2500 calories a day).

Hopefully this answers your question.

Also if anyone is interested in knowing what foods I cut out, here it is. Cutting all this stuff out is not necessary in most cases but I do it anyway. It's very hard and it works very well (for me).

-No dairy
-No bread, pasta, or grains
-No caffeine
-No added salt
-No processed foods of any kind
-No sugar that isn't natural in fruits etc. So no junk food, period.
-And only eat red meat on occasion.

I get my calcium and other vitamins in other ways.
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Big applause for discipline. And if you're ok after losing 70 lbs and still call yourself fat (which I presume you have done the necessary research on) then you probably started out pretty bad and had a really tough uphill climb on to lose weight.

I suppose the biggest reason why fatties everywhere are disrespected, is really because they often place an unfair burden on limited resources (eg social services, take up space, crowd others out, etc) while the signs of their indulgence are obvious to all.

I mean, who wouldn't like to feast all day? If I had infinite food at no financial cost, and no consequences eg ability to make all excess calories vanish into a black hole, I too would be eating nonstop.

[YoungMichael88]

Big applause for discipline. And if you're ok after losing 70 lbs and still call yourself fat (which I presume you have done the necessary research on) then you probably started out pretty bad and had a really tough uphill climb on to lose weight.

I suppose the biggest reason why fatties everywhere are disrespected, is really because they often place an unfair burden on limited resources (eg social services, take up space, crowd others out, etc) while the signs of their indulgence are obvious to all.

I mean, who wouldn't like to feast all day? If I had infinite food at no financial cost, and no consequences eg ability to make all excess calories vanish into a black hole, I too would be eating nonstop.

Yea. I used to hate stepping on a scale because I didn't want to see the number even myself. But now I'm pretty comfortable letting that old number out and embracing my new one. I was 6 foot 2 inches and 314 pounds. I'm now 244 pounds and plan on dropping another 30-40 pounds.