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Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 09:40:56 »
Biotech thinks you're stupid:
" Monsanto, Coke and Pepsi don’t want to put honest labels on their products. But they don’t mind putting a label on you.

With the cooperation and collusion of mainstream media and too many politicians, the pesticide-peddlers and junk food makers have labeled you. You are an “alarmist.” You are “anti-science.” Monsanto’s Lie Machine is going after scientists, physicians and any credible source who dares question the “safety” of their pesticide-laden products, their soil-killing, biodiversity-destroying mono-cropping practices that don’t deserve to be called “agriculture.”

In case you haven’t seen it, one of Monsanto’s front groups—"Coalition for Safe Affordable Food"—has launched a petition asking people to “Stop Alarmists from Hijacking America’s Food.” You are the “alarmist” they target. You are the uninformed fear-monger who doesn’t “support science.”

On one hand, you should be flattered. For nearly two decades Monsanto quietly (and profitably) went about creating its gene-altered “lab food,” pumping billions of pounds of Roundup and Bt into the ecosystem. Without giving you a second thought.

But in the past few years, you’ve wised up. You’ve spoken out. You’ve morphed into a movement. With your help, we’ve forced some of the most powerful corporations in the country to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to defeat GMO labeling initiatives.

We’ve also forced them to pour millions into buying favor with politicians and corporate media, into funding grants to pro-biotech researchers and universities, into brainwashing schoolchildren with pro-biotech coloring books and into luring 4-H’ers and future farmers with false promises of high yields and sky-high profits. You kicked the hornets’ nest. Now you are being attacked. And it’s not just you.
Unless we take it to a whole new level. In 2015, we pledge to fight back on a scale Monsanto has not yet seen. We are building an international coalition and communications team. We are investing in groundbreaking studies that we believe will prove, unequivocally, that Monsanto has been lying for decades. That, in fact, GMO foods and the toxic chemicals used to grow them are not safe.

We are still about $120,000 short of our year-end fundraising goal. Please help us raise $200,000 to #EndMonsantoLies in 2015. If we reach our goal by midnight December 31, natural health leader Mercola . com will match your donation. Donate at Organic Consumers dot org"

My comment:
Help stop this menace from poisoning and destroying the world -- It has been stated that by 2025 50% of the children in the US will be Autistic and GMOs play a big role in that.
They are maliciously poisoning and destroying not only the US populous and its land, but the entire world -- they think they can poison all of us "useless eaters", leave the world to ruin and go build a new life on some other planet where only the "rich, smart, etc" get to go...but I am here to say they are too dumb to survive no matter where they go.
And remember, Monsanto & Co are the same goons who used Agent Orange on Vietnam Soldiers and were caught RED HANDED falsifying data to say that Agent Orange was safe -- These are the same crooks! You cannot trust them.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 10:14:59 »
proof that gmo cause autism or is even linked to it, please.

and a non bias source would be nice. i google it and all i get is idiotic anti vactination websites and pro farm websites.

but i agree that gmo food should be labeled so people can choose what they want.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 10:20:38 »
I have wised up, thanks for noticing! :)

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 11:01:43 »
proof that gmo cause autism or is even linked to it, please.

and a non bias source would be nice. i google it and all i get is idiotic anti vactination websites and pro farm websites.

but i agree that gmo food should be labeled so people can choose what they want.

http://pbin.ca/1q0ub

There is some information, I will repeat it here -- the original studies can be found online by anyone and these are just SNIPPETS from the research.
Notice how they want everyone to get Vaccinations? They contain the Mercury and Aluminum. Glyphosate is apart of the Roundup Herbicide used to grow GMO's that accumulates in everything.

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•    Glyphosate makes vaccines far more toxic than they would otherwise be. When children are overexposed to glyphosate, they are more likely to react badly to vaccination. There’s an intricate connection between the gut and the brain, such that an unhealthy digestive system translates into pathologies in the brain. Aluminum, mercury and glyphosate work synergistically to create severe deficiency in sulfate supplies to the brain. This may be what’s causing the epidemic levels of autism and other diseases such as Alzheimer's.
http://bit.ly/1kP0hhH ~ http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/05/08/heavy-metals-glyphosate-health-effects.aspx
http://bit.ly/1AzluEo ~ http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/Roundup-the-nontoxic-chemical-that-may-be-destroying-our-health/ 

 •    Exposure to glyphosate correlates with chronic illness. Chronically ill people have significantly higher levels of glyphosate in their systems than healthy people.
http://bit.ly/1gbiBmZ ~ http://omicsonline.org/open-access/detection-of-glyphosate-residues-in-animals-and-humans-2161-0525.1000210.pdf
http://bit.ly/1wx5k0N ~ http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30153.cfm
   
•    Glyphosate is an endocrine disruptor which is toxic to placental cells. This means it may impact our ability to conceive and carry healthy babies to term. It may also cause breast cancer.
http://1.usa.gov/1AzkRuk ~ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19539684
http://1.usa.gov/1ITOWe4 ~ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1257596/
http://bit.ly/1Azl14U ~ http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/04/01/Roundup-toxicity-male-infertility.aspx
http://1.usa.gov/JC3AfK ~ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23756170

•    Glyphosate is a chelator that deprives living things of vital nutrients, vitamins and minerals. This is how glyphosate kills plants. It may also be how it’s killing people. Glyphosate-induced vitamin deficiency may be a factor in the growing cancer rates. Glyphosate has been directly linked to Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma. A recent meta-analysis found that exposure to glyphosate doubled the likelihood of contracting B cell lymphoma.
http://bit.ly/1svvZtG ~ http://www.academia.edu/5772865/GLYPHOSATE_IT_BINDS_MINERALS_AND_CUTS_OFF_THE_PRODUCTION_OF_NEUROTRANSMITTERS_AND_HORMONES....A_VISUAL_CONNECTION_OF_THE_ROUTES_OF_DISEASES_AND_CANCER ~ http://1.usa.gov/1zWZu88 ~ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24762670   

•    Glyphosate destroys the gut bacteria we need for good health. Scientists have observed that in chickens and cattle, glyphosate kills the good gut bacteria while leaving behind bacteria that causes food poisoning. Glyphosate’s negative impact on our microbiome may be the reason for increasing rates of allergies, celiac sprue and gluten intolerance, and colitis and Crohn’s disease.
http://bit.ly/1stL3Cv ~ http://sustainablepulse.com/2013/09/07/new-review-shows-glyphosate-destroys-human-health-and-biodiversity/#.U4Yb28e1aiw
http://1.usa.gov/1cxKi5f ~ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23224412
http://1.usa.gov/1eE2Ro9 ~ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23396248
http://nyti.ms/1mr5Si3 ~ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/19/magazine/say-hello-to-the-100-trillion-bacteria-that-make-up-your-microbiome.html?pagewanted=all
http://wapo.st/QgizzB ~ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2014/04/17/the-secret-to-treating-your-allergies-may-lie-in-your-stomach/
http://bit.ly/1gAvXp8 ~ http://sustainablepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Glyphosate_II_Samsel-Seneff.pdf ~ http://bit.ly/1gBdAnT ~ http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 11:05:35 »
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 11:11:39 »
wait, are you anti vacs also?
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 11:50:30 »
wait, are you anti vacs also?
"but wait, we have vaccines now, and there's more autism. causation implies correlation, right?"
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 11:52:05 »
Do you own a dog or a cat? Or any domestic animal? Do you EAT?

Congrats, you use GMOs.

It's such a loose term that I don't even give a ****.

Plus, you can literally link ANYTHING back to cancer. Color me unimpressed with this topic.

You know what else contains mercury and aluminum? THE HUMAN BODY. Hell, there's even arsenic and uranium in here. Autism is genetic, I've got a cousin with it, so if it were contagious, I'd have it, right?

Pretty much anything with sugar in it blocks melatonin by releasing endorphins, so having chemical receptors blocked isn't really a bad thing, right?

And if you wanna get really technical, all food is GMOs, since selective breeding exists.

Some of my claims are bull****. It's easy to lie to people, isn't it?

If you're gonna post **** like this, go all out. Make like the guy who PM'd me the other day thinking that I'm a member of some real illuminati and not my ****ty keyboard one. Man, that was some interesting reading. Or was that you too?

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:34:50 »
do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:38:03 »
Um.... ok.. yes...

but you know what...   If you really care about changing something as big as monsanto.. You have to be RICH.. SUPER RICH...

Stop wasting your time on the internet..  and go get a phd in something.. work your way into a big investment firm.. 20-40 years later,  MAYBE you'll be rich enough to make some real splashes..


You guys are being much too naive if you think Monsanto will change FOR YOU at this level..


NeedAFix   really ask yourself... where's your leverage..  when that last 1% of the rich OWN more than 50% of all the resources in the world..


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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:40:45 »
but you know what...   If you really care about changing something as big as monsanto.. You have to be RICH.. SUPER RICH...
I think like, one or two people might almost be that rich.
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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:54:04 »
is this a 'viral ad' campaign for organic foods again?  man these are getting annoying.  damn the teenage me that only had to deal with bill gates chain mail- he had the good life.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 12:54:40 »
but you know what...   If you really care about changing something as big as monsanto.. You have to be RICH.. SUPER RICH...
I think like, one or two people might almost be that rich.

oh GH ?

Yea righ..

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 13:26:13 »
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEALTHY YOU HAVE TO EAT ORGANIC, NON-GMO, GLUTEN-FREE, FAT-FREE, CARB-FREE, SUGAR-FREE, VACCINE-FREE, FOOD-FREE FOOD, AND FOLLOW A STRICT PALEO DIET AT THE SAME TIME. AND DO CROSSFIT
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 13:30:43 »
Generally I am anti giant agri business and anti pharma... or just generally anti corporate as much as is possible in this modern age. But, I am not going to delude myself that I am going to change the world at all. I can only choose for myself what I buy. If that has any effect that is fine.
The only way we can change the world would be to stop buying anything at all. Destroy all money, let the entire economic infrastructure destruct, and all corporations and governments to crumble... then kill all the rich people that were previously running things. Then, once we have a 'clean slate' we can try again to do it right.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 14:05:48 »
Uranus causes optimism.


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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 14:23:19 »
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEALTHY YOU HAVE TO EAT ORGANIC, NON-GMO, GLUTEN-FREE, FAT-FREE, CARB-FREE, SUGAR-FREE, VACCINE-FREE, FOOD-FREE FOOD, AND FOLLOW A STRICT PALEO DIET AT THE SAME TIME. AND DO CROSSFIT

or DIE... I've heard good things about DIE..


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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 14:38:35 »
I find it fascinating that people think avoiding GMOs and vaccines will cure death...
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 17:01:19 »
I find it fascinating that people think avoiding GMOs and vaccines will cure death...

welllll... technicallllly....   if we assume the average person lives to 70..

Now,  if 70 people each extended 1 year of their life by avoiding GMO and vaccines..

THEN  .. We've more/less cured Death for 1 person..

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 17:06:16 »
Forget GMOs, DHMOs are going to kill everyone

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

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Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 17:07:02 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

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Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 17:07:46 »
I find it fascinating that people think avoiding GMOs and vaccines will cure death...

welllll... technicallllly....   if we assume the average person lives to 70..

Now,  if 70 people each extended 1 year of their life by avoiding GMO and vaccines..

THEN  .. We've more/less cured Death for 1 person..

People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

The dumber the reason the more it must be done

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 17:35:31 »
I find it fascinating that people think avoiding GMOs and vaccines will cure death...

welllll... technicallllly....   if we assume the average person lives to 70..

Now,  if 70 people each extended 1 year of their life by avoiding GMO and vaccines..

THEN  .. We've more/less cured Death for 1 person..
yep, solid logic there

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 20:47:50 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

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Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.


DING DING DING!

western people have basically never seen real food in their entire lives(and never will because eewwwwwww ).  eg, people think cheddar is naturally yellow...some of them believe cheddar grows naturally into rectangular blocks in the wild (i kid you not)

the reason organic tastes better is because the farms that sre organic certified are physically closer to you.  who would have thought that freshness = better taste?

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 21:21:01 »
Generally I am anti giant agri business and anti pharma... or just generally anti corporate as much as is possible in this modern age. But, I am not going to delude myself that I am going to change the world at all. I can only choose for myself what I buy. If that has any effect that is fine.
The only way we can change the world would be to stop buying anything at all. Destroy all money, let the entire economic infrastructure destruct, and all corporations and governments to crumble... then kill all the rich people that were previously running things. Then, once we have a 'clean slate' we can try again to do it right.
I agree that one man alone can do nothing. An organized group of of people CAN make change. There has been a lot more organization against companies like Monsanto and every voice and action is appreciated. Don't undervalue your contribution towards what you believe is right.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 21:54:21 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

(Attachment Link)

Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.

That is not the same thing at all to genetically modified food and the two should not be confused.  Propagating NATURALLY occurring traits by crossing strains and that sort of things is not the same thing as what is happening with our GMO food.  For example, corn now has to be registered with the EPA because it has been genetically modified to PRODUCE a pesticide as it grows.  No corn had ever done that and it was not a propagation of a desired trait, it was genetically modified to produce something that it was never naturally designed to produce.  That is a HUGE difference...

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 22:27:29 »
Oh I mean, I believe in taking my stances on things, and I don't buy things from places that do things I strongly disagree with if I can help it at all. As far as food I do make an effort to only buy real fresh foods and stay a far away from processed fake food for the most part. But then, most of those choices I make aren't 'political' per se. For me it's more about buying food that actually tastes good and I have plenty of time to cook and make most everything from scratch with fresh ingredients at home.
I'm just not the kind of person that goes around campaigning, protesting and what not. When I was younger I thought things like that made a difference... but in reality it's a bunch of ants trying to topple an elephant. It's not happening. Or maybe I have just become too cynical and jaded. In the end, every problem is caused by rich greedy pricks, and when all they care about is money what is the real best way to hurt them... not buy their crap or contribute to their further accumulation of wealth and influence in any way.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 22:34:20 »
deaths caused by salmonella poisoning:

"It is estimated that tens of millions of human cases occur worldwide every year and the disease results in more than hundred thousand deaths."  -  http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs139/en/

deaths caused by GMO consumption:

rats



basically, if we care about food safety, we have MUCH bigger issues than GMO products.


i have been called too much of a numbers guys in the past (they would be right).  so take it as you will.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 22:45:11 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

(Attachment Link)

Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.

That is not the same thing at all to genetically modified food and the two should not be confused.  Propagating NATURALLY occurring traits by crossing strains and that sort of things is not the same thing as what is happening with our GMO food.  For example, corn now has to be registered with the EPA because it has been genetically modified to PRODUCE a pesticide as it grows.  No corn had ever done that and it was not a propagation of a desired trait, it was genetically modified to produce something that it was never naturally designed to produce.  That is a HUGE difference...

A couple videos for you guys to watch...



New traits are expected to emerge from any sample, it just so happens that humans have sped up the process. I bet if you surveyed thousands of plants, there would be some that produced some of this pesticide, it just so happens that now we can better take advantage of that genetic trait, or at least its compatibility within its genome. Not to mention that none of this means that it is dangerous for humans. Moreover, the traits of most foods we eat were never INTENDED by nature. Most crops these days, genetically modified or not need assistance from farmers in order to spread seeds because crops, through artificial selection have lost most of their seeds.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 28 December 2014, 22:51:56 »
i'm still babbling here....

but people should be looking up the effect of GMO crops on sustainable farming in the sub-sahara (or w/e the proper term for inhabited central africa is).

basically, the soil quality is so low, those countries are completely unable to build farms (industrial or organic) to sustain their own population (meaning they import HUGE amounts of food - with all of the related population and political* problems).  GMOs were critical (in concert with specially developed farning techniques) in rebuilding the topsoil so that the land could be reclaimed AND partially alleviating the need for humanitarian food mercy missions in the meanwhile.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 00:22:44 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

(Attachment Link)

Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.

That is not the same thing at all to genetically modified food and the two should not be confused.  Propagating NATURALLY occurring traits by crossing strains and that sort of things is not the same thing as what is happening with our GMO food.  For example, corn now has to be registered with the EPA because it has been genetically modified to PRODUCE a pesticide as it grows.  No corn had ever done that and it was not a propagation of a desired trait, it was genetically modified to produce something that it was never naturally designed to produce.  That is a HUGE difference...

A couple videos for you guys to watch...



New traits are expected to emerge from any sample, it just so happens that humans have sped up the process. I bet if you surveyed thousands of plants, there would be some that produced some of this pesticide, it just so happens that now we can better take advantage of that genetic trait, or at least its compatibility within its genome. Not to mention that none of this means that it is dangerous for humans. Moreover, the traits of most foods we eat were never INTENDED by nature. Most crops these days, genetically modified or not need assistance from farmers in order to spread seeds because crops, through artificial selection have lost most of their seeds.

I feel you need to do some more research sir.  Maybe start with the actually watching the videos I posted to give you an idea where to start your research...

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 00:29:16 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

(Attachment Link)

Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.

That is not the same thing at all to genetically modified food and the two should not be confused.  Propagating NATURALLY occurring traits by crossing strains and that sort of things is not the same thing as what is happening with our GMO food.  For example, corn now has to be registered with the EPA because it has been genetically modified to PRODUCE a pesticide as it grows.  No corn had ever done that and it was not a propagation of a desired trait, it was genetically modified to produce something that it was never naturally designed to produce.  That is a HUGE difference...

A couple videos for you guys to watch...



New traits are expected to emerge from any sample, it just so happens that humans have sped up the process. I bet if you surveyed thousands of plants, there would be some that produced some of this pesticide, it just so happens that now we can better take advantage of that genetic trait, or at least its compatibility within its genome. Not to mention that none of this means that it is dangerous for humans. Moreover, the traits of most foods we eat were never INTENDED by nature. Most crops these days, genetically modified or not need assistance from farmers in order to spread seeds because crops, through artificial selection have lost most of their seeds.

I feel you need to do some more research sir.  Maybe start with the actually watching the videos I posted to give you an idea where to start your research...

The world is a big place man, regardless of any opinion, the demand for outrageous amounts of produce forces farmers to adapt their crops to fulfill  that demand. The first thing you learn in any toxicology class is that everything is a poison, it only depends on the dose. Sure we can worry about the minor buildup of these chemicals but in the end their effect will be near zero. We have been eating produce that has been tailored to our liking forever and when it comes to the average consumer, ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 00:32:22 »
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 00:41:17 »
can't you guys crack some jokes or sum**** this is lame af
oh no people want to have an intelligent discussion, to bad we're forcing you to be here
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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 02:10:11 »
can't you guys crack some jokes or sum**** this is lame af
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just report him until he gets banned again.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 02:18:34 »
can't you guys crack some jokes or sum**** this is lame af
oh no people want to have an intelligent discussion, to bad we're forcing you to be here

just report him until he gets banned again.

I'm amazed people even bother replying to OP.  The post history is enough to show they're crazy.  They probably believe in chemtrails and all those other crazy conspiracy theories too.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 02:48:39 »
I keep good organic food by my bed just in case GMOs appear in my closet at night. I think I've got the problem sopved. No worries.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 02:55:11 »
don't americans just like to label everyone and everything as -ists and isms?
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 03:18:41 »
There is SOME validity to the OP's argument. Vaccines are not without side effects. The last time I got a vaccination I grew an extra set of arms.

Now, the OP may look at this as a horrible side effect of evil vaccines, but I've found having 20 fingers makes typing far more efficient, as you can see:

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 04:24:03 »
can't you guys crack some jokes or sum**** this is lame af
oh no people want to have an intelligent discussion, to bad we're forcing you to be here

just report him until he gets banned again.

I'm amazed people even bother replying to OP.  The post history is enough to show they're crazy.  They probably believe in chemtrails and all those other crazy conspiracy theories too.

You can actually hear the OP shaking when reading the OP, it's pretty impressive stuff.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 04:27:35 »
There is SOME validity to the OP's argument. Vaccines are not without side effects. The last time I got a vaccination I grew an extra set of arms.

Now, the OP may look at this as a horrible side effect of evil vaccines, but I've found having 20 fingers makes typing far more efficient, as you can see:

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I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 04:57:24 »

can't you guys crack some jokes or sum**** this is lame af
oh no people want to have an intelligent discussion, to bad we're forcing you to be here

just report him until he gets banned again.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 04:58:57 »
can't you guys crack some jokes or sum**** this is lame af
oh no people want to have an intelligent discussion, to bad we're forcing you to be here

just report him until he gets banned again.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 10:31:56 »
The thing with genetic modification of food is that humans have been genetically modifying foods for a very long time, just it has been through articficial selection.

This is a wild banana:

(Attachment Link)

Doesn't seem very appetizing right? Well humans over time have only eaten the bananas that have the least seeds and the most fruit which is why our bananas today look completely different. Genetically modifying foods today is the same process except induced in short periods of time instead of the moderate amount of time it takes for something in nature to adapt to our standards.

That is not the same thing at all to genetically modified food and the two should not be confused.  Propagating NATURALLY occurring traits by crossing strains and that sort of things is not the same thing as what is happening with our GMO food.  For example, corn now has to be registered with the EPA because it has been genetically modified to PRODUCE a pesticide as it grows.  No corn had ever done that and it was not a propagation of a desired trait, it was genetically modified to produce something that it was never naturally designed to produce.  That is a HUGE difference...

Your argument seems to assume that if the modification is "natural" then it must be "good", which isn't true.  There are tons of artificial things that are safer/better than natural things (speaking generally). 

Sure, there should be healthy concern for GMO, since humans can make mistakes.  But to pretend that the people performing those modifications don't know what they're doing at all and that it's unsafe is quite alarmist.  There's tons of testing that occurs in these processes.

I'm still not sure why everyone thinks humans are always bad.  Like, we're not part of "nature".  Anything we do is unnatural and bad.  Why is an animal eating a seed and spreading it around "good" but a human picking and choosing things to combine "bad"?  Are we really that separated from nature?

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 10:39:05 »
I'm still not sure why everyone thinks humans are always bad.  Like, we're not part of "nature".  Anything we do is unnatural and bad.  Why is an animal eating a seed and spreading it around "good" but a human picking and choosing things to combine "bad"?  Are we really that separated from nature?
Well seeing how we destroyed our planet and keep one doing everything to stay far away from our primal existance , yes we are far away from nature .
I'm not saying go back to stone age . But the closest a urban human will be from nature is picking up a plastic wrapped fruit from a grocery store.
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 10:42:48 »
I'm still not sure why everyone thinks humans are always bad.  Like, we're not part of "nature".  Anything we do is unnatural and bad.  Why is an animal eating a seed and spreading it around "good" but a human picking and choosing things to combine "bad"?  Are we really that separated from nature?
Well seeing how we destroyed our planet and keep one doing everything to stay far away from our primal existance , yes we are far away from nature .
I'm not saying go back to stone age . But the closest a urban human will be from nature is picking up a plastic wrapped fruit from a grocery store.

While I agree that "getting back to nature" is a good thing and has a lot of value, I'm still not convinced that it's inherently bad to not do so.  Adaptation is usually viewed as a good thing, but now it's like we've gone too far in a lot of people's minds.  Just seems kind of arbitrary to decide that *now* is too much.  Why wasn't farming going too far?  Farming is "unnatural".

(mostly playing devil's advocate, since I enjoy things that taste better, but I just don't see the hate for advancements)

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 11:03:38 »
I'm still not sure why everyone thinks humans are always bad.  Like, we're not part of "nature".  Anything we do is unnatural and bad.  Why is an animal eating a seed and spreading it around "good" but a human picking and choosing things to combine "bad"?  Are we really that separated from nature?
Well seeing how we destroyed our planet and keep one doing everything to stay far away from our primal existance , yes we are far away from nature .
I'm not saying go back to stone age . But the closest a urban human will be from nature is picking up a plastic wrapped fruit from a grocery store.

While I agree that "getting back to nature" is a good thing and has a lot of value, I'm still not convinced that it's inherently bad to not do so.  Adaptation is usually viewed as a good thing, but now it's like we've gone too far in a lot of people's minds.  Just seems kind of arbitrary to decide that *now* is too much.  Why wasn't farming going too far?  Farming is "unnatural".

(mostly playing devil's advocate, since I enjoy things that taste better, but I just don't see the hate for advancements)

Now is too much because in the last decades , species disappeared because we were careless (not that I care alot about obscure species of eagles or w/e animals disappeared ) , we have to consider other energies because we are getting short in petrol . Migrating to other planets is even envisaged.
When you reach the point where your living environment is being destroyed to fullfill your desire for a better comfort , you hit rock bottom .
We're killing everything for a ephemeral comfort of what 60-80 years ( at best ) .

But what an individual can do ? Going back to a cave won't make them cut less trees , poach less animals , ...

Previous generation weren't better , at least nowadays some governements do a little about environment .

I'm not even sure what my point is .
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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 11:36:40 »
As far as crop farming goes... if people stopped eating a highly meat based diet we could get a lot more real food crops out of growing land instead of the huge percentage that is now mostly crop grown solely for animal feed which is highly inefficient. Encouraging farmers to grow a larger variety of different crops (no more 100% corn or soybean farms!) would also be good, so if there is a particularly bad year for crop A, crops X Y Z may still fare well.
Newer generations are more aware about environmental impact, so hopefully we can keep improving things to be less damaging and eventually reverse some damage done in the 20th century. We mostly just need to wait for our grandparents and parents generations who are largely still running everything to all be dead so we can get away from many of those bad old ways.

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Re: Biotech will label you, but not their GMOs
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 29 December 2014, 11:53:03 »
As far as crop farming goes... if people stopped eating a highly meat based diet we could get a lot more real food crops out of growing land instead of the huge percentage that is now mostly crop grown solely for animal feed which is highly inefficient. Encouraging farmers to grow a larger variety of different crops (no more 100% corn or soybean farms!) would also be good, so if there is a particularly bad year for crop A, crops X Y Z may still fare well.
Newer generations are more aware about environmental impact, so hopefully we can keep improving things to be less damaging and eventually reverse some damage done in the 20th century. We mostly just need to wait for our grandparents and parents generations who are largely still running everything to all be dead so we can get away from many of those bad old ways.


You can get more calories out of it, but to what end.. who will you be feeding.. and what will a population increase "DO"..