NEW USERS, READ THIS!
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Can we get them to build the Alps ten feet higher and get Cherry to pay for it?
These are compat with costar stabs yea?
Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:07:14These are compat with costar stabs yea?Apparently, yes: https://www.massdrop.com/keyboard/infinity/assembly
Quote from: spiceBar on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:11:57Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:07:14These are compat with costar stabs yea?Apparently, yes: https://www.massdrop.com/keyboard/infinity/assemblyThe stabilizers are costar, with them the stabilized keys feel similar to non stabilized ones, which is much better than the slightly mushed feeling of keys with Cherry type stabilizers.
Quote from: ideus on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:21:16Quote from: spiceBar on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:11:57Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:07:14These are compat with costar stabs yea?Apparently, yes: https://www.massdrop.com/keyboard/infinity/assemblyThe stabilizers are costar, with them the stabilized keys feel similar to non stabilized ones, which is much better than the slightly mushed feeling of keys with Cherry type stabilizers.Yes, it's my experience as well. I hate them because they drive me crazy when I need to remove/reinstall the stabilized keys, but they do feel slightly better when you type. I have also found that they are easier to silence, with thick grease.
Cherry stabilizers are changing-caps friendly, costars are a pain in the ... But the last feel great.
Quote from: ideus on Wed, 25 February 2015, 09:44:38Cherry stabilizers are changing-caps friendly, costars are a pain in the ... But the last feel great.Costar is easy if you do it right. Instead of popping the inserts into the caps and trying to fit the wire in, put them on the wire and let them rest in the plate insert. Pop the cap down on top of that. 99% of the time you won't have any issues putting caps on that way.It's a trade off between Cherry and Costar. Cherry is nicer sounding, but they can get mushy feeling and PCB mount ones have a tendency to pop out of the PCB when taking caps off. Costar impact key feel less and, as such, tend to feel more crisp, but they can be wobbly and tend to rattle.
=/ what makes a non-standard bottom row "hacker" anyway?
Quote from: katushkin on Wed, 25 February 2015, 08:39:22=/ what makes a non-standard bottom row "hacker" anyway?It's steve jobs approved.
While I think there is great merit in learning to do things oneself and putting together kits, I am turned off by the fact that if I just bought all these parts and soldered them together I'd end up with a shoddily constructed (because I did it) board that costs nearly $250 with shipping, with the same characteristics as the off-the-shelf boards that I buy and never reprogram or anything (because they are usually fine, or have a dip switch or something that swaps the two keys I care about.)It's like when I built a Sinclair ZX81 from a kit, but in the end, all I had to show for it was a backache and a ZX81.I think it's neat that it can mount Matias switches though.
Quote from: brimborion on Wed, 25 February 2015, 15:55:57While I think there is great merit in learning to do things oneself and putting together kits, I am turned off by the fact that if I just bought all these parts and soldered them together I'd end up with a shoddily constructed (because I did it) board that costs nearly $250 with shipping, with the same characteristics as the off-the-shelf boards that I buy and never reprogram or anything (because they are usually fine, or have a dip switch or something that swaps the two keys I care about.)It's like when I built a Sinclair ZX81 from a kit, but in the end, all I had to show for it was a backache and a ZX81.I think it's neat that it can mount Matias switches though.Then the Infinity board (indeed DIY boards in general) is not for you
The KLL (keyboard layout language) takes a while to wrap your head around, but is incredibly powerful once you do.
that thing is hideous
I'm a programmer. I'm not intimidated by learning new programming languages. Sometimes I make them just for fun. I'm not entirely sold on this KLL idea, tho'. I'm not sure why it is that keyboard layout justifies a whole domain-specific language. It seems like an unnecessary level of complexity to me.That being said, KLL is certainly superior to the broken web configurator that they have out there.I <3 my Infinity. My only regret is not buying two of them.
Quote from: ishpeck on Mon, 02 March 2015, 16:22:14I'm a programmer. I'm not intimidated by learning new programming languages. Sometimes I make them just for fun. I'm not entirely sold on this KLL idea, tho'. I'm not sure why it is that keyboard layout justifies a whole domain-specific language. It seems like an unnecessary level of complexity to me.That being said, KLL is certainly superior to the broken web configurator that they have out there.I <3 my Infinity. My only regret is not buying two of them.Been writin code myself for almost 18 years now, and HaaTa (creator of KLL) does some pretty low-level s**t for his day job. I was skeptical at first as well, but after chatting with him about it he has some good reasons for doing it the way he did.
Put mine together about a week ago. The firmware has some issues with waking Macs from sleep (it panics and goes into firmware flashing mode), but otherwise it's been fun. The KLL (keyboard layout language) takes a while to wrap your head around, but is incredibly powerful once you do.
Quote from: brimborion on Wed, 25 February 2015, 15:55:57While I think there is great merit in learning to do things oneself and putting together kits, I am turned off by the fact that if I just bought all these parts and soldered them together I'd end up with a shoddily constructed (because I did it) board that costs nearly $250 with shipping, with the same characteristics as the off-the-shelf boards that I buy and never reprogram or anything (because they are usually fine, or have a dip switch or something that swaps the two keys I care about.)It's like when I built a Sinclair ZX81 from a kit, but in the end, all I had to show for it was a backache and a ZX81.I think it's neat that it can mount Matias switches though.Taking the baby steps was very helpful. Repairing and bolt modding a Model M (badly), cutting and assembling an Atreus burning my fingers, ****ing up a GPIO on the teensy, and shorting half a dozen things the first few times, then building an Atomic, I'm on to a Phantom II. If I finish that without melting it through I'll be looking forward to building this, though I'm really tempted to *not* use the board and use a wire matrix... The TMK has a pretty big heritage now, and being able to hit a couple of function macros and use the teensy tools (not crack open a case, and hit a pin to go to DFU mode and use a seperate tool) is awfully tempting.
$ dfu-util -D infinity_spacefn.bin
To me the most beautiful point of Infinity is full programmability, due to this I could even flash my own firmware Neither special tools nor soldering job are needed to load my firmware.I just built firmware for you, which has normal HHKB layer and SpanceFn layer. I don't think there is risk of my firmware bricking your keyboard. I have a prototype of the keyboard but not production model and they have a bit difference on matrix. My Infinity is disassembled and I can test and debug firmware on it now.You can load it like this.Code: [Select]$ dfu-util -D infinity_spacefn.bin
There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive.
This keyboard = Waste of time + waste of money There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive. rant ovah
For a customizable keyboard that supposedly a collaboration between lots of keyboard enthusiasts, I can't understand how it would end up with two glaring errors:
Quote from: NorrisB on Sat, 07 March 2015, 21:20:17This keyboard = Waste of time + waste of money There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive. rant ovahWhat boards are you referring to?
Quote from: ideus on Sat, 07 March 2015, 23:26:12Quote from: NorrisB on Sat, 07 March 2015, 21:20:17This keyboard = Waste of time + waste of money There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive. rant ovahWhat boards are you referring to?I'm curious too, as I've been agonizing over buying this board (with ALPS) vs an alternative with more standard layout. What better alternatives at this price point would you recommend? I already have 2 Leopolds, one is Topre 66% and other is MX Brown 87 key
Quote from: HalfSharkAlligator on Sun, 08 March 2015, 20:29:21Quote from: ideus on Sat, 07 March 2015, 23:26:12Quote from: NorrisB on Sat, 07 March 2015, 21:20:17This keyboard = Waste of time + waste of money There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive. rant ovahWhat boards are you referring to?I'm curious too, as I've been agonizing over buying this board (with ALPS) vs an alternative with more standard layout. What better alternatives at this price point would you recommend? I already have 2 Leopolds, one is Topre 66% and other is MX Brown 87 keyIt seems his comment was more an opinion, than an argument based on facts. GON Nerd 60 is other programmable keyboard, but I think is a little bit more expensive, but that has an actual GUI to program it, plus hardware macross, and a lot of configurable options, I think it does not support ALPS though. If MD does not fix the configurator soon, I do not see it becoming the success they think it is.
Quote from: ideus on Sun, 08 March 2015, 20:35:24Quote from: HalfSharkAlligator on Sun, 08 March 2015, 20:29:21Quote from: ideus on Sat, 07 March 2015, 23:26:12Quote from: NorrisB on Sat, 07 March 2015, 21:20:17This keyboard = Waste of time + waste of money There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive. rant ovahWhat boards are you referring to?I'm curious too, as I've been agonizing over buying this board (with ALPS) vs an alternative with more standard layout. What better alternatives at this price point would you recommend? I already have 2 Leopolds, one is Topre 66% and other is MX Brown 87 keyIt seems his comment was more an opinion, than an argument based on facts. GON Nerd 60 is other programmable keyboard, but I think is a little bit more expensive, but that has an actual GUI to program it, plus hardware macross, and a lot of configurable options, I think it does not support ALPS though. If MD does not fix the configurator soon, I do not see it becoming the success they think it is.The Infinity keyboard kind of is already a success... having sold as many as it has...But yeah... the GON NerD60 with the GON universal 60 plate is about 30 dollars more after shipping. For those who don't really care about Alps compatibility, the NerD60 is certainly the better choice (it supports flashy LED modes and SMD LEDs as well).
Quote from: Sygaldry on Sun, 08 March 2015, 20:40:02Quote from: ideus on Sun, 08 March 2015, 20:35:24Quote from: HalfSharkAlligator on Sun, 08 March 2015, 20:29:21Quote from: ideus on Sat, 07 March 2015, 23:26:12Quote from: NorrisB on Sat, 07 March 2015, 21:20:17This keyboard = Waste of time + waste of money There are way better boards out there at this price point, it amazes me how many geeks want to spend this price for a do it yourself board that will most likely end f'd up, and even if you get it right that keyboard is not very attractive. rant ovahWhat boards are you referring to?I'm curious too, as I've been agonizing over buying this board (with ALPS) vs an alternative with more standard layout. What better alternatives at this price point would you recommend? I already have 2 Leopolds, one is Topre 66% and other is MX Brown 87 keyIt seems his comment was more an opinion, than an argument based on facts. GON Nerd 60 is other programmable keyboard, but I think is a little bit more expensive, but that has an actual GUI to program it, plus hardware macross, and a lot of configurable options, I think it does not support ALPS though. If MD does not fix the configurator soon, I do not see it becoming the success they think it is.The Infinity keyboard kind of is already a success... having sold as many as it has...But yeah... the GON NerD60 with the GON universal 60 plate is about 30 dollars more after shipping. For those who don't really care about Alps compatibility, the NerD60 is certainly the better choice (it supports flashy LED modes and SMD LEDs as well).By success I meant happy customers. Customers are not very happy now: The configurator is not working, so people are stuck with the layout they do not like, or they should go into the trouble of low level programming.
By success I meant happy customers. Customers are not very happy now: The configurator is not working, so people are stuck with the layout they do not like, or they should go into the trouble of low level programming.
Personally it's cherry all the way for me
I will literally **** you raw paicrai, I hope you're legal by the time I meet you.
This assumes Massdrop truly cares about its customers . There has been a ton of controversy surrounding Massdrop over the past year and it doesn't seem like Massdrop has the manpower (or intention) to address the growing number of unsatisfied customers.