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Offline Kagusaki Wolf

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Starting a PC Business
« on: Mon, 18 May 2015, 22:24:49 »
I am planning to start my own PC business marketed towards gamers.  I created a design for my PC but I need a reputable keyboard manufacture that sells keyboards without the case as my build will have a custom case.  I tried contacting Costar about a week ago but they haven't replied back  Does anyone know any good ODM companies out there?  Thanks
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 02:21:46 »
What type of keyboard are you looking for? Cherry only? What size?

Perhaps some of the smaller guys might want to cut a deal with you in return for advertising you using their product in yours?
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 06:36:16 »
What type of keyboard are you looking for? Cherry only? What size?

Perhaps some of the smaller guys might want to cut a deal with you in return for advertising you using their product in yours?

Mainly cherry switches since those are easier to obtain.

Yeah I would love to have some kind of business partnership with one company that's willing to give me a discount if I buy in bulk and advertise for them.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 06:47:50 »
So you basically want PCB's only?  You could do that yourself.

I suggest that because you're going to run into support issues, etc. if you are assembling someone else's keyboard. They will want to blame issues on soldering and case and you will want to blame them on PCB. This will piss off your customers.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 12:36:58 »
??

Why not just call Taiwan..  They got a huge sales team that speaks "engrish"  hahahaha.

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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 19 May 2015, 13:42:09 »
You might consider asking iOne, iOne is the OEM for a bunch of different brands. The Rosewill Apollo, Max Keyboard Nighthawk, Monoprice Macro, Qpad MK-85, QUMAX Xarmor U9, etc. all use the iOne U9 as an OEM.

So you basically want PCB's only?  You could do that yourself.

I suggest that because you're going to run into support issues, etc. if you are assembling someone else's keyboard. They will want to blame issues on soldering and case and you will want to blame them on PCB. This will piss off your customers.

I think he was asking for an unbranded keyboard, not one that he needs to assemble himself.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 00:57:42 »
Yeah basically an unbranded keyboard without the casing.  I'm going to design my own case that will secure the keyboard in place when you close the top of the pc case.  I'm looking for a TKL keyboard but full size is an option.  I'll contact iOne and see what they can do. 
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 14:50:06 »
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Why not just call Taiwan..  They got a huge sales team that speaks "engrish"  hahahaha.

This is significantly more difficult than you make it seem.

@OP, I doubt any of the OEMs will talk to you: they usually aren't interested in runs lower than 1000-5000 at the very minimum.

I recommend just buying decent KBs and removing and replacing the case yourself or having a custom PCB and plate made. Low runs of plates are pretty cheap (maybe $20 - $50 depending on a lot of factors) and custom PCBs anywhere from $30 - $50 again depending. You will either have to solder a microcontroller onto it or use an arduino pro micro or a teensy as the controller

back in the day it was very easy to get custom KBs made: you would just buy a computer board, wire up a KB that you bought (microswitch, Keytronic, alps, mitsumi have all made them as well as many many others) then get a head unit and go to town, but after the PC era of the early 1980's this became less and less common. Now it's much cheaper and easier to just make your own.

Overall my recommendation is to use a Kb that's available and remove the case.

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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 18:50:58 »
??

Why not just call Taiwan..  They got a huge sales team that speaks "engrish"  hahahaha.

This is significantly more difficult than you make it seem.

@OP, I doubt any of the OEMs will talk to you: they usually aren't interested in runs lower than 1000-5000 at the very minimum.

I recommend just buying decent KBs and removing and replacing the case yourself or having a custom PCB and plate made. Low runs of plates are pretty cheap (maybe $20 - $50 depending on a lot of factors) and custom PCBs anywhere from $30 - $50 again depending. You will either have to solder a microcontroller onto it or use an arduino pro micro or a teensy as the controller

back in the day it was very easy to get custom KBs made: you would just buy a computer board, wire up a KB that you bought (microswitch, Keytronic, alps, mitsumi have all made them as well as many many others) then get a head unit and go to town, but after the PC era of the early 1980's this became less and less common. Now it's much cheaper and easier to just make your own.

Overall my recommendation is to use a Kb that's available and remove the case.

Their MOQ is 2000 upfront.

If you smooth the guy they can go to 1000

I've called the guys,  they WILL talk to you..

At least the Sales guy will.... And he can also ping the engi, if necessary.


I've personally called Costar before.

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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 21:29:44 »
??

Why not just call Taiwan..  They got a huge sales team that speaks "engrish"  hahahaha.

This is significantly more difficult than you make it seem.

@OP, I doubt any of the OEMs will talk to you: they usually aren't interested in runs lower than 1000-5000 at the very minimum.

I recommend just buying decent KBs and removing and replacing the case yourself or having a custom PCB and plate made. Low runs of plates are pretty cheap (maybe $20 - $50 depending on a lot of factors) and custom PCBs anywhere from $30 - $50 again depending. You will either have to solder a microcontroller onto it or use an arduino pro micro or a teensy as the controller

back in the day it was very easy to get custom KBs made: you would just buy a computer board, wire up a KB that you bought (microswitch, Keytronic, alps, mitsumi have all made them as well as many many others) then get a head unit and go to town, but after the PC era of the early 1980's this became less and less common. Now it's much cheaper and easier to just make your own.

Overall my recommendation is to use a Kb that's available and remove the case.

Hopefully I'll get enough buyers to order that much keyboards.  My design is something that the big PC companies haven't made and something that PC gamers need.  Since I am a gamer and I loathe laptops (last time I owned a laptop was back in the early 00's) for gaming, I got fed up with the big PC companies making proprietary hardware where you'll need to buy a whole new system every few years instead of upgrading components.

I was planning to buy decent keyboards and removing the case, but doing so will void the warranty.  I also thought about doing custom PCBs made but it'll be too time consuming to solder everything together if I have to assemble the whole computer by hand.  Now if that company solders everything for me, that would be really great.  I only soldered a few times when I had to repair a keyboard and it did not look good lol  But the keyboard works now  ;)

Ah the good ol' days.  Sometimes I wish I was old enough to start a PC business back in the 80s or followed through with my plans in the early 00's when I was in HS.  With the low desktop sales in the previous years, I'm worried I'm 10 years too late  :(
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 21:34:06 »

Their MOQ is 2000 upfront.

If you smooth the guy they can go to 1000

I've called the guys,  they WILL talk to you..

At least the Sales guy will.... And he can also ping the engi, if necessary.


I've personally called Costar before.

What did they say when you called Costar?  Was it easy to get information?  I tried emailing them twice without any replies.  Of course, I didn't mention that I wanted OEM service which was probably something I should have done >.<

Btw, whats MOQ?
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 21 May 2015, 23:13:32 »
Btw, whats MOQ?

Minimum order quantity.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 23 May 2015, 02:42:53 »
Keep one thing in mind when you look at quantities of "desktop sales". They apparently only count full OEM prebuilt computers, and at that more than likely only from big companies like HP or Dell that would sell at places like walmart. You know, the type of computers that I will never buy. Not even ones like from someone like iBuyPower would likely be counted.

Apparently they also list people buying parts like motherboards as buying 'PC perhiperals'. So I don't know that there's a good way of actually knowing how many new desktops are coming online now.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 14:57:17 »
Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:38:49 »
If I were a "1337 gamer", no I would not like that one. If I were gaming and needed the space saving requirement, maybe so. I'd probably try to find a standard ANSI layout 104 key or TKL.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 15:46:42 »
Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD

Yeah I don't know if any gamer would be using the touchpad on that thing...I'd look for something a little simpler and more standard like Blaise said.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 16:42:19 »
Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

If it's a custom PC, wouldn't you be the one supporting the warranty anyway?  You'd just inflate the price of each keyboard by a small amount to cover the expense of replacing/repairing faulty boards, offset by a presumably bulk purchase order from the OEM.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 17:07:32 »
Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD

Why would you pick that one?

Surely if this is meant to be a gaming PC, you should pick the MX6.0, seeing as it actually has features that are meant to be marketed towards gamers...
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 17:38:26 »
If I were a "1337 gamer", no I would not like that one. If I were gaming and needed the space saving requirement, maybe so. I'd probably try to find a standard ANSI layout 104 key or TKL.

It's going to be in a case so it has to be small.  I'd definitely want to get a TKL like the QFR but Cherry doesn't have one like it >.<
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 17:55:55 »
Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD

Yeah I don't know if any gamer would be using the touchpad on that thing...I'd look for something a little simpler and more standard like Blaise said.

My original idea was a regular keyboard without a touchpad but if you wanted to use the PC for non-gaming situations like typing an essay or surf the net while hanging out at a friends place, you wouldn't have to plug in a mouse. 

Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

If it's a custom PC, wouldn't you be the one supporting the warranty anyway?  You'd just inflate the price of each keyboard by a small amount to cover the expense of replacing/repairing faulty boards, offset by a presumably bulk purchase order from the OEM.


I haven't thought of that yet.  I never did a bulk purchase before so I don't know how much they will charge me but I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks for that info :)

Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD

Why would you pick that one?

Surely if this is meant to be a gaming PC, you should pick the MX6.0, seeing as it actually has features that are meant to be marketed towards gamers...

I originally picked it because it had a trackpad.  Since my design is going to be portable, the idea of having a trackpad would help out if you're doing something else other than gaming.  The MX6.0 was a second choice if the other keyboard is a bad idea. 


Thanks for the comments guys!  It's helping me get an idea of what people want :)
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:31:48 »
I use that keyboard at work and think it's a sexy board but in no way would I use it for gaming.  The keys have a low profile similar to a membrane board and, for cherry black switches, it has a "mushy" feel. The "mushy" feel is present on both boards that I use but may or may not be applicable to all boards of this model.  The track pad is serviceable for work and light internet usage but I'd still be more inclined to reach for my mouse than the track pad. 


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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 21:50:09 »
PCB instead of plate mounted switchs too right?

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 21:58:48 »
Just a note most gamers want a 104-key layout in the younger crowd. They feel like they will need the extra keys and stuff. Your also going to compete against $70 razer blackwidows which some of my friends love they wanted a "gamer keyboard". Just my opinion...
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 22:38:38 »
PCB instead of plate mounted switchs too right?

I didn't think to check on that aspect but it's likely the case with the "mushy" feel.  I'll check when I go back in Wednesday.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 07 June 2015, 22:59:02 »
Ah the good ol' days.  Sometimes I wish I was old enough to start a PC business back in the 80s or followed through with my plans in the early 00's when I was in HS.  With the low desktop sales in the previous years, I'm worried I'm 10 years too late  :(

Good luck with the biz, man. It's going to take a lot of work and you will need to bring something to the table that consumers can't get elsewhere. I started a custom PC business geared towards gamers and power users (with cool custom cases and lighting...the whole 9 yards) in 2002 and by 2005 we had almost completely moved to PC service and on-site support. By 2007-2009 we moved into mainly commercial support/hosting/ISP. Making a living building PCs is not easy.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 00:43:20 »
I'm starting a similar venture marketed towards gamers. What I am planning to do is start out with a unique product ( I think keyboard enthusiasts would especially like it, so I would start with them) and then build off the success of that unique product. Then, my plan is to offer some more common products to upsell. I think having that unique product lineup is key to any eCommerce business these days.

The problem is the closer I get to launching, the crazier I think I am for taking this risk. "Why can you just be happy with a normal job?" I sometimes ask myself. I wish you luck with your venture, OP. Keep pressing forward. It is very tough to try and do this type of thing. I believe in my heart though that if you truly offer something special, people will respond positively to it.
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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 01:47:34 »
You can very easily start a business of this type without having to quit your "day" job. The hard part is coming up with a unique product that will sell; and if it does sell will there continue to be a market for it and is there enough of a margin for it to be profitable? The tech business is constantly changing (very quickly quite often) and you need to be able to see and adapt to changes in the industry as quickly as they occur...

Absolutely go for it and good luck to both of you! Start small, test the waters, and see what happens.
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:33:56 »
The biggest thing with a business like this is being in a location with constant population turnover, read college town.
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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:47:52 »
The biggest thing with a business like this is being in a location with constant population turnover, read college town.

Personally I'm not so sure if that's a good idea for custom built computers. Everyone I know at my college that owns gaming PC built it themselves or bought a laptop.
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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 02:51:19 »
The biggest thing with a business like this is being in a location with constant population turnover, read college town.

Personally I'm not so sure if that's a good idea for custom built computers. Everyone I know at my college that owns gaming PC built it themselves or bought a laptop.

Exactly, and the other g4m3rz just buy alienware razer combo.

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« Reply #30 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 03:05:19 »
Just start small and see what happens. Be flexible. Don't be afraid to take chances or be afraid to change.

I live in the 4th largest city in the US surrounded by several universities and I don't sell hardware anymore for a reason...but hey I've only been in business for 13 years...
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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 06:09:03 »
i hope you know what you're getting yourself into,
would be very cool if you succeeded, though :-)
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 08:14:01 »
It can work sure.. but the thing with competiting against "established" larger firms that has identical products, is you need to create a niche..

For example.. You do Peltier sub-zero cooling.. 

Or you do Higher Overclocks.. with a service guarantee.. (Shipping logistics) is going to be the biggest issue with high-overclocks, if you need the machines to come back for retuning.

Otherwise,  your labor overhead can't compete with that of the bigger guys. There's nothing for you to attack with if you do not innovate, because they have all the basic strategies covered.

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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 08:32:22 »
Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD

This is the first time I'm seeing this thread, but I just wanted to chime in on the 11900 board that you were maybe thinking of using.

I have one and can say that the trackpad on it is more or less useless on a 1080p screen, it might have been nice when screens were still 800x600, but not so much now. The right shift key is a pain since it's 2x in size and finding a replacement is a pain. By default it uses MX Black switches that I don't think most gamers will want.

I think that something like the 1800 would be better for your project

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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 23:20:13 »
I use that keyboard at work and think it's a sexy board but in no way would I use it for gaming.  The keys have a low profile similar to a membrane board and, for cherry black switches, it has a "mushy" feel. The "mushy" feel is present on both boards that I use but may or may not be applicable to all boards of this model.  The track pad is serviceable for work and light internet usage but I'd still be more inclined to reach for my mouse than the track pad. 



That's good to know.  I hate that mushy feeling when I type or game.  As for the track pad, I noticed that a lot of people here don't like using one xD  Does anyone here use a trackpad with their laptop?  I haven't owned a laptop since the early 00s but I used the trackpad once in a while.

Ah the good ol' days.  Sometimes I wish I was old enough to start a PC business back in the 80s or followed through with my plans in the early 00's when I was in HS.  With the low desktop sales in the previous years, I'm worried I'm 10 years too late  :(

Good luck with the biz, man. It's going to take a lot of work and you will need to bring something to the table that consumers can't get elsewhere. I started a custom PC business geared towards gamers and power users (with cool custom cases and lighting...the whole 9 yards) in 2002 and by 2005 we had almost completely moved to PC service and on-site support. By 2007-2009 we moved into mainly commercial support/hosting/ISP. Making a living building PCs is not easy.

I haven't seen anyone create anything like what I'm thinking of.  I'm currently building a prototype and yes it takes a LOT of work esp if you don't have the right tools or even a place to work it on.  My work bench is a tv tray in my bedroom haha but it gets the job done for now. 

How did the custom PC business go?  Did you have to switch because the lack of customers?  Are you still doing commercial business still?  It sounds like quite an adventure you were having

I'm starting a similar venture marketed towards gamers. What I am planning to do is start out with a unique product ( I think keyboard enthusiasts would especially like it, so I would start with them) and then build off the success of that unique product. Then, my plan is to offer some more common products to upsell. I think having that unique product lineup is key to any eCommerce business these days.

The problem is the closer I get to launching, the crazier I think I am for taking this risk. "Why can you just be happy with a normal job?" I sometimes ask myself. I wish you luck with your venture, OP. Keep pressing forward. It is very tough to try and do this type of thing. I believe in my heart though that if you truly offer something special, people will respond positively to it.

Yeah having a unique product will draw attention and potential buyers unless if it looks way too funky like some of Alienware stuffs I've seen in the past. 

I have the same thought haha and then I look at my current job.  Hmm working for a self storage company, getting paid less than new hires even though I've been with the company for almost 10 years, loosing hair from stress because of angry customers or the occasional break-ins...  yeah I'm going to take a risk and start my own business lol  At least I'll be doing something that I enjoy finally.  Thanks for wishing me luck!  I'll definitely have something special that people want :)


The biggest thing with a business like this is being in a location with constant population turnover, read college town.

Luckily I live in San Diego near a university.  I'll have to sneak into that campus and post my advertisements around >.>

You can very easily start a business of this type without having to quit your "day" job. The hard part is coming up with a unique product that will sell; and if it does sell will there continue to be a market for it and is there enough of a margin for it to be profitable? The tech business is constantly changing (very quickly quite often) and you need to be able to see and adapt to changes in the industry as quickly as they occur...

Absolutely go for it and good luck to both of you! Start small, test the waters, and see what happens.

Seeing if there's going to be a market for it and making a profit is one of the things I'm most worried about.  The worst thing to do is close the business a few months after starting lol

I'm going to start small and order a dozen of the cases and see how it goes.  I would hate it if I start big and order thousands them only to find out that my mom and a friend is the only customer (mom buys out of pity of course) xD 



Just a note most gamers want a 104-key layout in the younger crowd. They feel like they will need the extra keys and stuff. Your also going to compete against $70 razer blackwidows which some of my friends love they wanted a "gamer keyboard". Just my opinion...

Darn younger crowds thinking they need a number pad for everything *waves fists at them* D:<   It's not the keyboard that I'm designing but the case.  I'd love to have a good quality major brand keyboard with my case.  From what I heard about blackwidows, people buy it for the name and the quality isn't as well as the CM QFR.  The QFR a sexy design imo >.>


The biggest thing with a business like this is being in a location with constant population turnover, read college town.

Personally I'm not so sure if that's a good idea for custom built computers. Everyone I know at my college that owns gaming PC built it themselves or bought a laptop.

Exactly, and the other g4m3rz just buy alienware razer combo.



I'm a gamer (Guild Wars 2 ftw!) and I do love that gamers are compassionate when it comes to building their rigs.  If customers only want a barebones case, and if the demand for it is high enough, I'll be able to do that for sure. 

Alienware/razer combo... that is so stereotypical XD


Just start small and see what happens. Be flexible. Don't be afraid to take chances or be afraid to change.

I live in the 4th largest city in the US surrounded by several universities and I don't sell hardware anymore for a reason...but hey I've only been in business for 13 years...

Oh god.. I know for sure I'll be flexible since it's my first time jumping into the PC market.  Change is something I'll definitely need to learn.  I have two printers and the newest one was built in 1996 >.>  Hell the blender we have in the kitchen was built in the 70s XD  Anywho, change is something I'll have to do.  What I don't want to change is the idea of building a quality product that will last for years.  I don't like planned obsolescence crap that a lot of business use.

It can work sure.. but the thing with competiting against "established" larger firms that has identical products, is you need to create a niche..

For example.. You do Peltier sub-zero cooling.. 

Or you do Higher Overclocks.. with a service guarantee.. (Shipping logistics) is going to be the biggest issue with high-overclocks, if you need the machines to come back for retuning.

Otherwise,  your labor overhead can't compete with that of the bigger guys. There's nothing for you to attack with if you do not innovate, because they have all the basic strategies covered.

It'll be hard competing against the big PC companies.  Luckily I'll be running around like a tiny mouse in a large wheat field.  They won't know I'm there so I can plan some good ideas without them spying on me. 

Peltier cooling..  I was actually thinking about that a while back but haven't done any work on it.  I'll probably check on that when I start my business.  It probably wont be sub zero but it'll be much cooler than air or water (pun intended). 

Overclocking is something a bit sketchy.  I know none of the CPU/GPU companies will refund if the cause of damage was overclocking.  I don't exactly know if the big PC companies will do a refund or exchange if it does happen.  I'll take a look into this subject and see if it would be something profitable. 

The big PC companies have a lot covered, but sometimes they ignore some ideas/strategies because it doesn't look profitable enough.  Since I'm starting my business, anything that looks profitable for me but not enough for the big PC companies, I'll take a chance at.  Small mouse in a big wheat field ;)

Alrighty I tried to see if I can order the innards by itself and a lot of companies say that it'll void the warranty so I'm going on a different route on that.

 So far I was able to talk to someone at Cherry Corp. by phone and they said they'll be able to do OEM services and needed me to choose one of their keyboards for it.  I was thinking about this keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823333052
but haven't seen too many reviews on it.

What are your thoughts on that keyboard and would that be the keyboard you want to buy and use for gaming?  Sorry for these questions lol  I'd rather ask as much questions and pick the right keyboard than ordering 1000 of them and finding out that it was a bad choice XD

This is the first time I'm seeing this thread, but I just wanted to chime in on the 11900 board that you were maybe thinking of using.

I have one and can say that the trackpad on it is more or less useless on a 1080p screen, it might have been nice when screens were still 800x600, but not so much now. The right shift key is a pain since it's 2x in size and finding a replacement is a pain. By default it uses MX Black switches that I don't think most gamers will want.

I think that something like the 1800 would be better for your project

Ugh alrighty.  Trackpad is out of the design lol  My prototype has a cherry ML keyboard with a trackball but it's because I found it at a good price of $14 xD   

I was hoping that Cherry can switch those MX Blacks with either browns or blues but it'll probably be more costly on my end. 

I saw the 1800 before but at the time, I wanted a trackpad because of convenience.  I'll add the 1800 on my list of potential keyboards.

i hope you know what you're getting yourself into,
would be very cool if you succeeded, though :-)
best of luck with your business

Thanks!  I know there will be a lot of hurdles on the road to success.  Best way to finish is plow straight through them ;)   


Oh also, Costar contacted me on their TKL.  It looks like if I decided on their keyboards, I'll probably buy CM TKLs from a distributor since the price gap for MOQ per keyboard isn't too much of a difference.  I'll make a list of potential keyboards and post them here once I'm done.  Thanks guys you are the best! :)
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 08 June 2015, 23:59:45 »
That's good to know.  I hate that mushy feeling when I type or game.  As for the track pad, I noticed that a lot of people here don't like using one xD  Does anyone here use a trackpad with their laptop?  I haven't owned a laptop since the early 00s but I used the trackpad once in a while.

I use the trackpad on my laptop as the main pointing device for that computer. It's not a terribly good trackpad (in fact, people who don't have much practice with it tend to find it borderline unusable even for desktop use), but it does the job. If I'm going to be leaving the laptop set up at a desk for a long time, I'll plug a mouse into it, though, and of course for any gaming I would want a more capable pointing device. Unless your build is going to be highly portable and you can source a trackpad that's actually good, IMO it's not worth your while.

P.S. Just curious, but have you talked with TG3 at all? Dunno what their MOQs are like or what they're like to work with, but, all issues with poor trackpads notwithstanding, a trackpad variant BL82 ("BLT", I think) with Deck82 internals for the keyboard portion would be a pretty badass control unit for a portable build.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 09 June 2015, 00:15:42 »
I use my trackpad most of the time on my laptop, and is in fact one of the best trackpads I've ever used. But at the same time, when I'm gaming, I get an actual mouse and usually a separate keyboard.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 09 June 2015, 07:44:42 »
I think low profile custom computers are a great idea especially with with great peripherals because nearly all are junk. If it could get pushed out on the market and adopted I think it would be awesome. Goodluck with whatever you are planning.
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Re: Starting a PC Business
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 09 June 2015, 18:11:41 »
There is one desktopallinone thing that is gaming, but it uses laptop parts and costs like $700-800.
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