Do we have Vegans/Frutarians on GH?

[iri]

I never learned to shoot left handed even though I am predominately right handed, but I am left eye dominant.

Hmm, I always hunted right handed even though I'm the same as you are.

what about eating meat from local butchers where you know the animals have/are being treated well?

UK seems obsessed with that.

[hwood34]

Yikes. This is bordering on Islamophobia.

Oh don't bring that bull**** here

[dustinhxc]

There is no humane way for death. I like humane farmers more then factory, yes of course. They treat them better so that is awesome. Though, they're still getting slaughtered. So either way, you are contributing to that animal being killed. The solution is to not breed extra animals, just to kill them. We need more vegetable and plant farmers. We would also save on water, and help the planet. I don't force any veganism on people. I used to be very stubborn and just ignore all of the articles/videos I saw.  So Ive been there myself. Though, I feel WAY better now, knowing that I do not contribute to any animal suffering.

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company. I look on the back of all of my cruelty free products and none of them would need to be tested on animals or humans, they are NATURAL ingredients not chemicals that could cause humans harm. Buy cruelty free/vegan! End the animal torture and pain.

I dont want to talk about this on here, this is my forum for keyboard talk, not veganism. I just needed to say my view and I dont mind if you dont agree.  People have the right to do and eat whatever they please.

[baldgye]

There is no humane way for death. I like humane farmers more then factory, yes of course. They treat them better so that is awesome. Though, they're still getting slaughtered. So either way, you are contributing to that animal being killed. The solution is to not breed extra animals, just to kill them. We need more vegetable and plant farmers. We would also save on water, and help the planet. I don't force any veganism on people. I used to be very stubborn and just ignore all of the articles/videos I saw.  So Ive been there myself. Though, I feel WAY better now, knowing that I do not contribute to any animal suffering.

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company. I look on the back of all of my cruelty free products and none of them would need to be tested on animals or humans, they are NATURAL ingredients not chemicals that could cause humans harm. Buy cruelty free/vegan! End the animal torture and pain.

I dont want to talk about this on here, this is my forum for keyboard talk, not veganism. I just needed to say my view and I dont mind if you dont agree.  People have the right to do and eat whatever they please.

I eat meat and also don't contribute to the suffering of animals, if anything I give there life purpose, which is something human life will never have..

[dustinhxc]

There is no humane way for death. I like humane farmers more then factory, yes of course. They treat them better so that is awesome. Though, they're still getting slaughtered. So either way, you are contributing to that animal being killed. The solution is to not breed extra animals, just to kill them. We need more vegetable and plant farmers. We would also save on water, and help the planet. I don't force any veganism on people. I used to be very stubborn and just ignore all of the articles/videos I saw.  So Ive been there myself. Though, I feel WAY better now, knowing that I do not contribute to any animal suffering.

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company. I look on the back of all of my cruelty free products and none of them would need to be tested on animals or humans, they are NATURAL ingredients not chemicals that could cause humans harm. Buy cruelty free/vegan! End the animal torture and pain.

I dont want to talk about this on here, this is my forum for keyboard talk, not veganism. I just needed to say my view and I dont mind if you dont agree.  People have the right to do and eat whatever they please.

I eat meat and also don't contribute to the suffering of animals, if anything I give there life purpose, which is something human life will never have..

Im not sure I understand your statement. So you eat meat but you buy cruelty free products?

[baldgye]

There is no humane way for death. I like humane farmers more then factory, yes of course. They treat them better so that is awesome. Though, they're still getting slaughtered. So either way, you are contributing to that animal being killed. The solution is to not breed extra animals, just to kill them. We need more vegetable and plant farmers. We would also save on water, and help the planet. I don't force any veganism on people. I used to be very stubborn and just ignore all of the articles/videos I saw.  So Ive been there myself. Though, I feel WAY better now, knowing that I do not contribute to any animal suffering.

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company. I look on the back of all of my cruelty free products and none of them would need to be tested on animals or humans, they are NATURAL ingredients not chemicals that could cause humans harm. Buy cruelty free/vegan! End the animal torture and pain.

I dont want to talk about this on here, this is my forum for keyboard talk, not veganism. I just needed to say my view and I dont mind if you dont agree.  People have the right to do and eat whatever they please.

I eat meat and also don't contribute to the suffering of animals, if anything I give there life purpose, which is something human life will never have..

Im not sure I understand your statement. So you eat meat but you buy cruelty free products?

I try. To not buy meat products that are farmed properly is the same as not voting. Sure your not contributing to the problem of voting in the worst pieces of **** possible, but your also not helping solve the problem.

If you care about animal welfare you should be supporting those that give animals farmed for food the best lives possible and making that a sustainable business.

Just abstaining from it doesn't help anyone but yourself, the problem still exists your just unwilling to help the people who farm meat but in  a way that doesn't result in suffering.

[dustinhxc]

There is no humane way for death. I like humane farmers more then factory, yes of course. They treat them better so that is awesome. Though, they're still getting slaughtered. So either way, you are contributing to that animal being killed. The solution is to not breed extra animals, just to kill them. We need more vegetable and plant farmers. We would also save on water, and help the planet. I don't force any veganism on people. I used to be very stubborn and just ignore all of the articles/videos I saw.  So Ive been there myself. Though, I feel WAY better now, knowing that I do not contribute to any animal suffering.

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company. I look on the back of all of my cruelty free products and none of them would need to be tested on animals or humans, they are NATURAL ingredients not chemicals that could cause humans harm. Buy cruelty free/vegan! End the animal torture and pain.

I dont want to talk about this on here, this is my forum for keyboard talk, not veganism. I just needed to say my view and I dont mind if you dont agree.  People have the right to do and eat whatever they please.

I eat meat and also don't contribute to the suffering of animals, if anything I give there life purpose, which is something human life will never have..

Im not sure I understand your statement. So you eat meat but you buy cruelty free products?

I try. To not buy meat products that are farmed properly is the same as not voting. Sure your not contributing to the problem of voting in the worst pieces of **** possible, but your also not helping solve the problem.

If you care about animal welfare you should be supporting those that give animals farmed for food the best lives possible and making that a sustainable business.

Just abstaining from it doesn't help anyone but yourself, the problem still exists your just unwilling to help the people who farm meat but in  a way that doesn't result in suffering.

Thats good, I wish factory farms didnt exist. If the need for fast food meat was low enough then I wonder if only humane farms would be out there. It would be nice if that were the only type.

[baldgye]

There is no humane way for death. I like humane farmers more then factory, yes of course. They treat them better so that is awesome. Though, they're still getting slaughtered. So either way, you are contributing to that animal being killed. The solution is to not breed extra animals, just to kill them. We need more vegetable and plant farmers. We would also save on water, and help the planet. I don't force any veganism on people. I used to be very stubborn and just ignore all of the articles/videos I saw.  So Ive been there myself. Though, I feel WAY better now, knowing that I do not contribute to any animal suffering.

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company. I look on the back of all of my cruelty free products and none of them would need to be tested on animals or humans, they are NATURAL ingredients not chemicals that could cause humans harm. Buy cruelty free/vegan! End the animal torture and pain.

I dont want to talk about this on here, this is my forum for keyboard talk, not veganism. I just needed to say my view and I dont mind if you dont agree.  People have the right to do and eat whatever they please.

I eat meat and also don't contribute to the suffering of animals, if anything I give there life purpose, which is something human life will never have..

Im not sure I understand your statement. So you eat meat but you buy cruelty free products?

I try. To not buy meat products that are farmed properly is the same as not voting. Sure your not contributing to the problem of voting in the worst pieces of **** possible, but your also not helping solve the problem.

If you care about animal welfare you should be supporting those that give animals farmed for food the best lives possible and making that a sustainable business.

Just abstaining from it doesn't help anyone but yourself, the problem still exists your just unwilling to help the people who farm meat but in  a way that doesn't result in suffering.

Thats good, I wish factory farms didnt exist. If the need for fast food meat was low enough then I wonder if only humane farms would be out there. It would be nice if that were the only type.

indeed, I don't have the problem with having a diet of only vegetables etc that's fine and your own personal choice. What I dislike is that veganism and other similar things are put forward as an anti animal suffering diet and that by doing it, your helping and that people that eat meat are part of the problem.
When that's not at all the case and that by eating the right kinds of meat, your actually helping animal welfare.

[fanpeople]

There is more to this then just making more farms for vegitable, grains etc. farming regardless of product can be very damaging to the natural habitat of well any animal so i think people need to look to the concept of highrise farming using some form of sustainable technology for vegitables etc. As for the harvesting process of grain well my understanding is that the thrashing process takes its fair share of animals chilling in the fields so its not entirely death free. I dont like the creulty part of meat but at the same time i do think eating other animals is part of life. Mind you i wont eat veal just because its a pretty dispicable concept, same as chicken just because in my opinion the scale of death for quantity of food is not that great. Also i usually have about 3 days of meat free meals. I would consider going vegitarian to be honust but i do think that the production all foods has an impact on the wellbeing of something whether it be farmed animals or cleared land on native animals. Shouldnt we be living of sustainment pills in space by now anyway.

[rsadek]

I eagerly await the invention of sustainment pills.Think of the time savings. It will be amazing. 

The OP was about a fellow GeekHacker seeking advice adjusting to a new lifestyle choice (veganism). It would be nice for us to return the thread to that purpose, rather than a referendum on the subject of veganism. We're here for a love of keyboards and community. There's no need to convince each other of anything except Alps vs Topre vs Cherry MX.

Dante, Isa Chandra Moskowitz is a great source of ideas. She is a food genius! Here's her site http://www.theppk.com/
It has tons of great recipes and ideas; most of which are not too difficult. She's awesome!

-R

[hwood34]

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company.please.

Something tells me that lots of incredibly important products we have today wouldn't be possible if we only used "all-natural" ingredients or didn't ever test anything on animals

[tbc]

Also, for animal testing. If they aren't using all natural ingredients then something is wrong with the company.please.

Something tells me that lots of incredibly important products we have today wouldn't be possible if we only used "all-natural" ingredients or didn't ever test anything on animals

on the animal testing side, technically, we would have these things if we lived in nazi germany and imperial japan.

given the choice of western society, living under the axis powers, or not having antibiotics, i'd pick western society with animal cruelty over more dead humans (puts on flame suit because i called jews human)

yes, i an aware we already used some of the medical things they discovered from unwilling human test subjects.

[tp4tissue]

Silken tofu goes great with guacomole.

[demik]

Don't you soil guacamole with tofu. Don't you dare

[tp4tissue]

Don't you soil guacamole with tofu. Don't you dare

kekekekekekekekekekeke

I'm telling you,  it works ...

[demik]

Many things work, doesn't mean it's a good idea

[dustinhxc]

Check out these cookbooks man

But I Could Never Go Vegan by Kristy Turner
The Oh She Glows Cookbook by Angela Liddon
Isa Does It by Isa Chandra Moskowitz
Vegan Casseroles by Hasson
Chloe's Vegan Italian Kitchen by Chloe Cascarelli

 

[dante]

It's not recipes I have an issue with as much as side effects from a good sampling of the veg kingdom.

Low carb foods (Tofu , Broccoli, Cauliflower) don't effect me negatively.  In fact, my teeth feel much better after several days of giving up rice/potatoes.  Sensitivity is down and my gums don't bleed when I brush.

[hwood34]

Many things work, doesn't mean it's a good idea

get with the times demik, all the cool kids eat tofu

[baldgye]

Many things work, doesn't mean it's a good idea

get with the times demik, all the cool kids eat tofu

tofu is a food mystery to me, I've never seen it in a shop/restaraunt and never tasted it

[dante]

Many things work, doesn't mean it's a good idea

get with the times demik, all the cool kids eat tofu

tofu is a food mystery to me, I've never seen it in a shop/restaraunt and never tasted it

There are Tofu shops mostly on West Coast.  Several great places around the San Francisco area.

You need to understand that 95% of the Tofu on the market sucks.  You need to research to find the good stuff. My current goto is Mitsuwa Soft; which is the absolute best I can find in the Chicagoland area.

[baldgye]

Many things work, doesn't mean it's a good idea

get with the times demik, all the cool kids eat tofu

tofu is a food mystery to me, I've never seen it in a shop/restaraunt and never tasted it

There are Tofu shops mostly on West Coast.

So Wales then?

[azhdar]

Save animals , Eat baguette.

[paicrai]

Yikes. This is bordering on Islamophobia.

Oh don't bring that bull**** here

rsadek, please bring more of it here

[hwood34]

Yikes. This is bordering on Islamophobia.

Oh don't bring that bull**** here

rsadek, please bring more of it here

why are you even here

[fohat.digs]

So Wales then?

Cornwall

[dante]

Hottest Taiwan Tofu seller?

Make that Bean Curd SON!

[tp4tissue]

Hottest Taiwan Tofu seller?

Make that Bean Curd SON!

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Hahahahahha 

Is he your -Thinspo-  Dante ??

Tofu-Kun here's why you're eating all them boxes of Tofu ?

[baldgye]

haha he has a tiny penis

[tp4tissue]

haha he has a tiny penis

haha.. that's the first thing you look at eh? hahahahaha

[baldgye]

haha he has a tiny penis

haha.. that's the first thing you look at eh? hahahahaha

Nope, first thing was nips...

[paicrai]

Hottest Taiwan Tofu seller?

Make that Bean Curd SON!

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he can put lots of his white stuff in my mouth

Yikes. This is bordering on Islamophobia.

Oh don't bring that bull**** here

rsadek, please bring more of it here

why are you even here

to suck **** and make people like you annoyed

[hwood34]

Yikes. This is bordering on Islamophobia.

Oh don't bring that bull**** here

rsadek, please bring more of it here

why are you even here

to suck **** and make people like you annoyed

congrats bud, outside not working out so well?

[paicrai]

Yikes. This is bordering on Islamophobia.

Oh don't bring that bull**** here

rsadek, please bring more of it here

why are you even here

to suck **** and make people like you annoyed

congrats bud, outside not working out so well?

[tp4tissue]

I'm really wondering if tofu would aid muscle building... hrmmm........


Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

[tp4tissue]

Late @ night.  my inhibition-unit malfunctions...  And I start eating chocolate..

[dante]

Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

On sale you can get good quality Tofu for around $1.39 for non-organic and $1.79 for organic.  That's around 360 calories for a block.  Not bad for the price!

[tp4tissue]

Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

On sale you can get good quality Tofu for around $1.39 for non-organic and $1.79 for organic.  That's around 360 calories for a block.  Not bad for the price!

I'm not counting the calories on the tofu, LOL,  it's that the protein content is much lower than chicken breast

[fohat.digs]

Well of course. Nothing has protein density like meat.

If you make choices based on density of nutrients, then you reduce the volume that you consume, but eating a larger quantity of high-quality nutrients is probably much cheaper and easier.

[dante]

On brotein ...

[RAMPSKALLE]

I don't feel like I have the right to choose whether or not to end another creatures life. Even if it's "natural" I don't feel like it needs to be the natural order of things for humans anymore. And it's also pretty dumb to mass produce meat the way we do. For protein I just eat tons of peanut butter. Every day.

[iamtootallforthis]

I'm really wondering if tofu would aid muscle building... hrmmm........


Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

The issue is that the bioavailability of soy protein is less than that of meat proteins and whey protein. Soy protein has to be eaten in larger quantities than that in meats to get similar amounts of protein. There are a ton of vegan protein powders out there. Hemp, pea, rice, but I have heard that they mix poorly and can be gritty.

[dante]

I'm really wondering if tofu would aid muscle building... hrmmm........


Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

The issue is that the bioavailability of soy protein is less than that of meat proteins and whey protein. Soy protein has to be eaten in larger quantities than that in meats to get similar amounts of protein. There are a ton of vegan protein powders out there. Hemp, pea, rice, but I have heard that they mix poorly and can be gritty.

The problem is - people are already getting way more protein than they need.  If anything Soy protein - when I say this I mean from Tofu (Good) not Soy Protein Isolate (Bad) - would be a better option because your body won't have to deal with large quantities of protein.

From what I gather from the vegan circle I've seen healthy people consuming anything between 20g-50g a day and be perfectly healthy (bicycle riding, weight lifting, etc.)  For my situation I think mine sits a bit higher around 60-80 for me to be alright.  But that is not difficult or expensive to achieve with plant foods.

[iamtootallforthis]

I'm really wondering if tofu would aid muscle building... hrmmm........


Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

The issue is that the bioavailability of soy protein is less than that of meat proteins and whey protein. Soy protein has to be eaten in larger quantities than that in meats to get similar amounts of protein. There are a ton of vegan protein powders out there. Hemp, pea, rice, but I have heard that they mix poorly and can be gritty.

The problem is - people are already getting way more protein than they need.  If anything Soy protein - when I say this I mean from Tofu (Good) not Soy Protein Isolate (Bad) - would be a better option because your body won't have to deal with large quantities of protein.

From what I gather from the vegan circle I've seen healthy people consuming anything between 20g-50g a day and be perfectly healthy (bicycle riding, weight lifting, etc.)  For my situation I think mine sits a bit higher around 60-80 for me to be alright.  But that is not difficult or expensive to achieve with plant foods.

It really depends on what your goals are. Yes the protein intakes you mentioned can be considered healthy. If you want to put on significant muscle mass and are a large person(for me 6'4" 250), I would say I take in around 175g of protein per day and eat around 3500 calories. It would be difficult without supplementation.

[hwood34]

I'm really wondering if tofu would aid muscle building... hrmmm........


Problem however, is still cost...  Tofu is extremely expensive in the USA

The issue is that the bioavailability of soy protein is less than that of meat proteins and whey protein. Soy protein has to be eaten in larger quantities than that in meats to get similar amounts of protein. There are a ton of vegan protein powders out there. Hemp, pea, rice, but I have heard that they mix poorly and can be gritty.

The problem is - people are already getting way more protein than they need.  If anything Soy protein - when I say this I mean from Tofu (Good) not Soy Protein Isolate (Bad) - would be a better option because your body won't have to deal with large quantities of protein.

From what I gather from the vegan circle I've seen healthy people consuming anything between 20g-50g a day and be perfectly healthy (bicycle riding, weight lifting, etc.)  For my situation I think mine sits a bit higher around 60-80 for me to be alright.  But that is not difficult or expensive to achieve with plant foods.

It really depends on what your goals are. Yes the protein intakes you mentioned can be considered healthy. If you want to put on significant muscle mass and are a large person(for me 6'4" 250), I would say I take in around 175g of protein per day and eat around 3500 calories. It would be difficult without supplementation.

An easy rule of thumb just seems to be third your weight. So like I try and get anywhere between 50-60g a day. Now if you're trying to bulk up obviously it's a different story, more like a little over half.

[livingspeedbump]

[dustinhxc]

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I think hes hilarious in parks!

It's not recipes I have an issue with as much as side effects from a good sampling of the veg kingdom.

Low carb foods (Tofu , Broccoli, Cauliflower) don't effect me negatively.  In fact, my teeth feel much better after several days of giving up rice/potatoes.  Sensitivity is down and my gums don't bleed when I brush.

Hmm.. Ive never ever heard of teeth getting sensitive from food besides cold/hot food. Thats super odd, Id forsure go to the doctor.  :-X

[paicrai]

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"but sir this is a prepared meal" *police sirens in the distance*