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Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:49:51 »
Dorkvader

In the past 6 months you have ignored nearly all my PMs, or sidestepped them, until I started posting publicly.

I have a threepronged claim against you. Summed up as: $550; goods; and an additional $400.

I know you have some objection towards two of my points: the misused $400 donations and the only-partially-done proxying of goods. But there is a third prong, and you have never responded to my queries on the $550.

Now let me ask you again, Dorkvader. What about the $550 you owe me? Let me remind you, it is already a much reduced figure from over $1k even earlier. Partly to make repayment affordable for you, I moved $200 from the debt ledger to the donations ledger. So an original conditional donation of $200 became $400, and the cash debt was reduced. Then I let you tweak the sum down further, to arrive at $800. That was what you proposed months ago.

Knowing that $800 is still a large sum and that your money management skills are poor, I deliberately did not press the point for months. I wanted to give you time to sell stuff, get paychecks, whatever works to get the funds to pay me. As I made it clear in my PM after you proposed the $800 figure, I expect you to act like an honest and honorable man. So I expect you to act automatically and not because I have to keep pestering you.

But of the $800 you have only paid $250 and have evaded all questions, requests, and queries on this much-reduced debt arrears of $550 ever since. That has been the elephant in the room all along.

If you think you are going to get away with it, my patience has ended. That’s why this post is being made publicly, after again you refused to respond to my demand of $550 in my last PM.

The next step in my escalation will be to contact your parents and employer. Do you still want to tax my patience?
 
I’m not going to waste time in hot air quarrels with you in public. I did not want to start a storm on Geekhack. I have treated you with far more respect than you have ever earned. Because posting this on Geekhack will draw all kinds of unnecessary and often inflammatory comments from other people, I will only post here once. I will make no follow up post, and I will lock this thread after enough people have read it.

If I am not made good on my $550 by the end of this month (after your next paycheck), take it for granted that I will contact your parents and employer. That may not get my money back, but it will definitely put your character in the spotlight. And considering your history of evading responsibility, you will lose whatever little credibility remaining.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:51:48 »
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:59:21 »
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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:00:03 »
Did you really just type you're going to tell his parents?

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:00:55 »
Did you really just type you're going to tell his parents?

Gold Jerry, gold!

His employer, too.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:01:48 »
I hope his parents and employer are different people.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:02:34 »
I hope his parents and employer are different people.

I hope his lover and his mother are different people

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:05:15 »
I hope his parents and employer are different people.

I hope his lover and his mother are different people

Unless you're into that sort of thing.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:05:39 »
Wow. I think the point of telling parents / employer is that it is more shameful than anything. How embarrassed would you be if your child / employee was holding someone's money hostage and wouldn't reply to them.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:06:17 »
I hope his parents and employer are different people.

I hope his lover and his mother are different people

Unless you're into that sort of thing.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:06:54 »
So wait, why did you lend a semi-stranger from the internet who lives on a different continent $800?

This post is suspiciously light on transaction details. Do you have some kind of signed document related to this loan?

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:10:03 »
So wait, why did you lend a semi-stranger from the internet who lives on a different continent $800?

This post is suspiciously light on transaction details. Do you have some kind of signed document related to this loan?

Because he thought they were friends.. albeit over the internet.

And in some ways, DV has abused that trust.

I truly hope DV has some legitimate reason for taking so long..

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:35:02 »
Okay, but...

I’d gladly *give* a friend a few hundred bucks if I thought they needed it.

But providing an unsecured loan to someone a continent away who you already know is facing financial difficulties without a clear and explicit agreement (or heck, even with one) and then being outraged when things fall apart just seems foolish.

People have all kinds of issues that make loans problematic even when you’re best buddies and neighbors and you have some chance of figuring out what happened when they can’t pay you back. But for someone several thousand miles away who you only know through the internet, there are a million things which could go wrong in ways that would be difficult to verify or potentially even understand.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:36:34 »
Yeah, there's a reason why you don't think of money given to friends or family as loans, but as gifts.  That **** will tear apart any kind of relationship faster than a demik in a taco truck.

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:39:00 »
Yeah, there's a reason why you don't think of money given to friends or family as loans, but as gifts.  That **** will tear apart any kind of relationship faster than a demik in a taco truck.

How many times I gotta tell you

1) I don't like tacos
2) it's called a roach coach


Anyway, don't lend what you can't afford to lose. Be it a neighbor, family, or a friend in another continent.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:39:52 »
Yeah, there's a reason why you don't think of money given to friends or family as loans, but as gifts.  That **** will tear apart any kind of relationship faster than a demik in a taco truck.

How many times I gotta tell you

1) I don't like tacos
2) it's called a roach coach

1. that's why the metaphor works.  you're destroying it in a rage
2. you don't indiscriminately destroy any roach coach, just taco based ones

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:41:25 »

People have all kinds of issues that make loans problematic even when you’re best buddies and neighbors and you have some chance of figuring out what happened when they can’t pay you back. But for someone several thousand miles away who you only know through the internet, there are a million things which could go wrong in ways that would be difficult to verify or potentially even understand.


You're right..  It may not have been the most prudent plan on Berserk's part.

But he did what he did out of friendship..  and is being taken advantaged of in the process..

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:42:27 »
lol **** this place is stupid. This is all berserkfan's fault, sure.
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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:43:39 »
lol **** this place is stupid. This is all berserkfan's fault, sure.

I can't fathom why DV of all people would do something like this..

It makes me feel awful..  I don't know if I would've lent the guy money.. But I'd buy a whole box of t-shirts from him no problem.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:44:45 »
How about me tp
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:44:53 »

People have all kinds of issues that make loans problematic even when you’re best buddies and neighbors and you have some chance of figuring out what happened when they can’t pay you back. But for someone several thousand miles away who you only know through the internet, there are a million things which could go wrong in ways that would be difficult to verify or potentially even understand.


You're right..  It may not have been the most prudent plan on Berserk's part.

But he did what he did out of friendship..  and is being taken advantaged of in the process..

6months and, as of the moment, no mention of repayment plan makes the being taken advantage of thing hard to defend.

lol **** this place is stupid. This is all berserkfan's fault, sure.

Pretty sure you're reading what you want if your take-away so far is that.


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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:49:02 »
Pretty sure you're reading what you want if your take-away so far is that.

Well the vast majority of comments are people criticising berserk rather than commenting on DV. So what am I supposed to think?
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:49:19 »
How about me tp

I'd buy a whole box of taco shells from ya,  no problem..

and me?

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:49:28 »


You're right..  It may not have been the most prudent plan on Berserk's part.

But he did what he did out of friendship..  and is being taken advantaged of in the process..

6months and, as of the moment, no mention of repayment plan makes the being taken advantage of thing hard to defend.




Well,  part of the money Berserk transferred to DV is for services and goods. Those services and goods were unfulfilled and undelivered.

Some other parts of the money was a, Pay-me-back-when-you-can type ordeal..

Regardless, The totality has amounted to quite a sum that shouldn't have been ignored for so long.



I recall Berserk saying something about this way way back,   and he didn't want to escalate things.. Because we've all considered DV an upstanding member.

Only recently it seems Berserk has reached the last of his patience.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:51:06 »
How about me tp

I'd buy a whole box of taco shells from ya,  no problem..

and me?

I just ordered a whole bunch of different hair-sprays to try out.

Bee and Demik should come over and we'd all try to make cool hairstyles..

 

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:51:16 »
How about me tp

I'd buy a whole box of taco shells from ya,  no problem..

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:52:38 »


You're right..  It may not have been the most prudent plan on Berserk's part.

But he did what he did out of friendship..  and is being taken advantaged of in the process..

6months and, as of the moment, no mention of repayment plan makes the being taken advantage of thing hard to defend.




Well,  part of the money Berserk transferred to DV is for services and goods. Those services and goods were unfulfilled and undelivered.

Some other parts of the money was a, Pay-me-back-when-you-can type ordeal..

Regardless, The totality has amounted to quite a sum that shouldn't have been ignored for so long.



I recall Berserk saying something about this way way back,   and he didn't want to escalate things.. Because we've all considered DV an upstanding member.

But only recently it seems Berserk has reached the last of his patience.

Yeah, I dunno man.  I'm all for a good pitchforking, but I want to make sure I'm not just on the bandwagon of "**** that guy" before I sharpen the tines.  That's all I'm really seeing from everyone so far, too.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:53:05 »
Bueller: No one said that.

It’s just, we only have one side of the story from a clearly very angry dude who hasn’t provided very much concrete information. There’s no way for anyone except dorkvader to know what happened, and starting a witch hunt isn’t too helpful as a conflict resolution strategy.

As I said, there are any number of things that could have gone wrong here, and it’s pretty hard to judge without knowing more of the story.

I’m sure other geekhackers would be willing to help try to resolve things, but this thread is framed as a fight. However accurate the original post, its primary effect is to smear someone’s reputation, not really to encourage a fix.

(This happens on the internet a lot, because it’s much easier to get angry when you’re just by yourself sitting in front of a screen; face to face discussions are in my experience much more productive. But when the dispute is which sucks more, Cherry MX blue or Topre, then the stakes are pretty low, so it’s not really too big a deal.)

Look: having a friend refuse to pay back a loan sucks, and getting no response to PMs can clearly be infuriating. Hopefully we can figure out some way of solving the problem so that everyone ends up feeling good about it.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:53:16 »
How about me tp

I'd buy a whole box of taco shells from ya,  no problem..

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:55:15 »
Bueller: No one said that.

It’s just, we only have one side of the story for a clearly very angry dude who hasn’t provided very much concrete information. There’s no way for anyone except dorkvader to know what happened, and starting a witch hunt isn’t too helpful as a conflict resolution strategy.

As I said, there are any number of things that could have gone wrong here, and it’s pretty hard to judge without knowing more of the story.

I’m sure other geekhackers would be willing to help try to resolve things, but this thread is framed as a fight. However accurate the original post, its primary effect is to smear someone’s reputation, not really to encourage a fix.

(This happens on the internet a lot, because it’s much easier to get angry when you’re just by yourself sitting in front of a screen; face to face discussions are in my experience much more productive. But when the dispute is which sucks more, Cherry MX blue or Topre, then the stakes are pretty low, so it’s not really too big a deal.)

I've had many dealings with berserkfan from a financial standpoint selling and buying things and he's shown himself to be nothing by trustworthy. If he says it happened, I'm confident it did.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:55:41 »


Well,  part of the money Berserk transferred to DV is for services and goods. Those services and goods were unfulfilled and undelivered.

Some other parts of the money was a, Pay-me-back-when-you-can type ordeal..

Regardless, The totality has amounted to quite a sum that shouldn't have been ignored for so long.



I recall Berserk saying something about this way way back,   and he didn't want to escalate things.. Because we've all considered DV an upstanding member.

But only recently it seems Berserk has reached the last of his patience.

Yeah, I dunno man.  I'm all for a good pitchforking, but I want to make sure I'm not just on the bandwagon of "**** that guy" before I sharpen the tines.  That's all I'm really seeing from everyone so far, too.


Many -other- mods have been alerted to the matter,  it is a legitimate claim against DV..

That said..  I am praying to this candle here that DV will pop out of the shower, claim to be a wizard and paypal Berserk..

I have hope still that DV's just got a stomach ache.. or something..

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:57:52 »
How about me tp

I'd buy a whole box of taco shells from ya,  no problem..

You hear that bee? Date night!

With Tp4 as  Wheel-III  , ya'll know it's gonna be great..  i'mma fotobomb every single pictar..
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:58:50 »

Look: having a friend refuse to pay back a loan sucks. Hopefully we can figure out some way of solving the problem so that everyone ends up feeling good about it.


Exactly.. Friendly amelioration of said-happenings is the goal here..

No one is doing this with tarnishing one's reputation in mind..

That happens if and only if the situation is not rectified by actions of DV..



I agree the language of the OP is a bit salted...   but the facts are there..

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:59:34 »
How about me tp

I'd buy a whole box of taco shells from ya,  no problem..

You hear that bee? Date night!

With Tp4 as  Wheel-III  , ya'll know it's gonna be great..  i'mma fotobomb every single pictar..
You're like the son we will probably make on mistake


pssssh.. You wish ur baby's gonna be as good at internet as I am..

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:59:58 »
Has DV even been on lately? I don't see him around anymore.

Tp, we know. We can only wish s/he is 1/3rd as internet savvy as you
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:01:17 »
I agree the language of the OP is a bit salted...   but the facts are there..

If it's been as long as berserk says then i'm surprised it's not a lot more vitriolic. **** happens, I've had people run into problems meeting their commitments in the past and been fine with it so long as they're man enough to talk to me about it. Dodge my messages and treat me like an ******* and it's going to go a lot differently.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:01:28 »
Had DV even been on lately? I don't see him around anymore

He's not been on OT,  but he's continued to be active on many other keyboard subjects.

Which is why I am so baffled by all of this..

Berserk has mentioned that DV has taken on other projects and exchanges these few months,  yet has not completed the services he's promised Berserk.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:04:43 »
I agree the language of the OP is a bit salted...   but the facts are there..

If it's been as long as berserk says then i'm surprised it's not a lot more vitriolic. **** happens, I've had people run into problems meeting their commitments in the past and been fine with it so long as they're man enough to talk to me about it. Dodge my messages and treat me like an ******* and it's going to go a lot differently.

Yea, I see ur point, the length of time makes some of the -anger- justified..

But let's all remain civil is all i'm asking..  haha..

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:05:47 »
If it's mostly for projects, isn't DV like notoriously slow with that?  Like I know cptbadass waited over a year to get a kitty paw from him and he wasn't the only one that had a long wait like that.

Did DV send things to someone else to get done but not refund?  Does he still owe services? 

And really, even still, it doesn't excuse the lack of contact.  I think all of us will agree with that.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:08:36 »
If it's mostly for projects, isn't DV like notoriously slow with that?  Like I know cptbadass waited over a year to get a kitty paw from him and he wasn't the only one that had a long wait like that.

Did DV send things to someone else to get done but not refund?  Does he still owe services? 

There in lies the problem..  The pile owed to Berserk is quite large..

And yea, like you I want to believe DV has had stomach-aches, and couldn't complete the projects in time..

But there's been a lapse in communication.. 


Deep down , i still think DV is probably good on his word..   though here short on explanation.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:10:08 »
Really though, when you get down to it, why should either of us actually care?  It's not great that berzerk is out the money, but you, me and everyone else pontificating to the air won't affect anything, you know?

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:12:01 »
Really though, when you get down to it, why should either of us actually care?  It's not great that berzerk is out the money, but you, me and everyone else pontificating to the air won't affect anything, you know?

bcuz community trust?

 i'm with you on the pontificating.
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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:13:31 »
DTA sth, DTA
No, he’s not around. How that sound to ya? Jot it down.

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Re: Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 02:13:47 »
Really though, when you get down to it, why should either of us actually care?  It's not great that berzerk is out the money, but you, me and everyone else pontificating to the air won't affect anything, you know?

bcuz community trust?

 i'm with you on the pontificating.

Ok, I can dig that and I think I misworded slightly.  I care about resolution.  Not sure so much about the middle part where lines are drawn, pitchforks are sharpened and torches lit.

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