Omnivore vs Herbivore [Vegan h8]

[tp4tissue]

These are just WORDS..

Definitions are arbitrary..  There's no RIGHT ANSWER..


The Stupid Vegans are really hung up about how humans are NOT omnivores.

They have a whole big list of similarities between humans and other (mostly) herbivores,  to tout such fact..



However,   it's far more complicated a relationship than that..   They've merely Picked and Chose whatever suites their agenda..




In the context of WILD humans.. most will die between age 30 and 50..   

It doesn't matter if these humans ate meat or veggies,  they will NOT die of the heart disease or western cancers induced by meats..  SOMETHING Else will kill them first,  be it a lion, or infectious disease..



In the context of Technological humans.. Our various inventions along with medical interventions extend lifespan to 65-90 years..   This only happened RECENTLY..



Old age is a Modern Occurence..

Humans in the wild need calories by any means,   the Caloric budget is determinant of Natural survival.. Humans are Naturally Omnivorous, as we can eat both, and live through a LOW natural wild lifespan of 30-50 years.

It just so happens, that Eating meat is Suboptimal to eating vegetables, if we want to live an EXTENDED lifespan of 65-90 years..


But that reasoning can not be used to justify Humans as a strict herbivore..


There is significant enough evidence to support the fact that Herbivorous humans will live significantly healthier and longer,  but all this is NEW, and diverges from the context of natural digestive evolution ..

[xondat]

[tp4tissue]

The point is, 

Humans are natural eaters of both Plants and Animals..   Calories by any means..


But, this new DESIRE to live healthily into ages 65-90,     will require a shift to a Vegan diet..


Old age is NOT natural..  but if that's what you're looking for,  the PRICE is no BBQ..

[noisyturtle]

Humans have been omnivores for the last 200,000 years and have flourished greater than any other species in the history of the world, but I am sure vegans know what is best.

[tp4tissue]

Humans have been omnivores for the last 200,000 years and have flourished greater than any other species in the history of the world, but I am sure vegans know what is best.

Vegans are stupid,  but they are right about living to OLD AGE..


It's like if you don't care about your computer, and there was ample replacement,  You can run it overclocked, and have it die early..


But if there are no replacement computers,  and you need it to stick it out longer..  You simply can't do that..




But Vegans are trying to say NO OVERCLOCKING whatsoever,  OVERCLOCKING is wrong..    That's their confusion..




But, they are aligned with the fact that Eating a 100% natural whole plant food diet WILL give you significant boost to lifespan and end of life quality..




That said, I suppose Omnivores are just as stupid as to DENY the clear facts that eating meat greatly increases degenerative disorders in mid life.

[mrduul]

I have a little bit a of meat mixed with lots of veggies.

I try to buy organic, grass fed with no antibiotics. Veggies farmer market organic.

[chyros]

I'm all in favour of veganism. More meat and milk for real people, after all .

[mrduul]

I'm all in favour of veganism. More meat and milk for real people, after all .

Bro have you tried Raw Milk? It's great!

Also colustrum   

[tp4tissue]

I'm all in favour of veganism. More meat and milk for real people, after all .

Bro have you tried Raw Milk? It's great!

Also colustrum   

Eating meat remains a choice..

From the social planner perspective your earlier demise due to diseases of affluence is beneficial, and your productivity span is more easily regulated and utilized, because your end game options don't exist..


You get to enjoy all the delicious foods you like as the trade off.


When the majority of you suffer from heart disease or cancer,  your lifetime productivity and wealth RETURN to the system through the medicare process.

And because the majority of you guys will die much earlier than vegans,  you will also significantly reduce the Negative productivity offset by not living retirement into old age.





ALTHOUGH,  here we are only assuming maintenance of the status quo.   An improved market of occupied old-persons has not been developed.. Currently many pioneering projects happening in germany/japan


It is possible that should this market emerge, it could be of greater benefit, then merely earlier termination by suboptimal-feeding.

[OfTheWild]

Somebody watched "Forks over knives" recently, huh? 

We should eat less meat than we have been for the last 30 years for sure.

[tp4tissue]

Somebody watched "Forks over knives" recently, huh? 

We should eat less meat than we have been for the last 30 years for sure.

I've read 5 books,

and watched 30 documentaries on this subject in 2 weeks.


I've also personally phoned researchers of the china cancer atlas project to confirm their perspective on meat consumption.


Don't round Tp4 in with the prudes.. !!

[noisyturtle]

Somebody watched "Forks over knives" recently, huh? 

We should eat less meat than we have been for the last 30 years for sure.

I've read 5 books,

and watched 30 documentaries on this subject in 2 weeks.


I've also personally phoned researchers of the china cancer atlas project to confirm their perspective on meat consumption.


Don't round Tp4 in with the prudes.. !!

I BEAT THE GAME ON THE SECRET HARDEST DIFFICULTY WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE AND MY DAD WORKS FOR NINTENDO!

[Halverson]

Would you eat a burger with me?

[tp4tissue]

I BEAT THE GAME ON THE SECRET HARDEST DIFFICULTY WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE AND MY DAD WORKS FOR NINTENDO!

Hahahaha.

My father never worked for nintendo.. 

But pretty much any chinese speaker can call a researcher on the cancer atlas,  because well, there are SO MANY of them, it was a huge project, so if you've got college graduates in the family at all from the 70s and 80s,  it's not super hard to find someone associated with the project.

[jonathanyu]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

[Halverson]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

He only eats wieners

[tp4tissue]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

Not at the moment..


Tp4 eat only veggies ..

But,   Tp4 does not associate with the Vegan Narrative,   they are composed of idiots..    They've got one Great idea,  that they continue to undermine with flawed justifications and weak promotional strategy.

[tp4tissue]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

He only eats //censored//

Lies.. Tp4 loves the females..

[nugglets]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

He stopped a couple weeks ago and suddenly he's better than everyone. 

Seriously though, being active plays the most important role in living a long life. Reducing, or completely cutting, your animal product intake can offset the costs of a sedentary lifestyle but alone is not the solution to living a long life.

[OfTheWild]

lol you're nuts.

Speaking of nuts, whats you're favorite dish now that you have your "V" card?
Wife just made coconut lime quinoa tonight. 

[jonathanyu]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

He only eats wieners

So that's the secret thing he was doing

[tp4tissue]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

He stopped a couple weeks ago and suddenly he's better than everyone. 

Seriously though, being active plays the most important role in living a long life. Reducing, or completely cutting, your animal product intake can offset the costs of a sedentary lifestyle but alone is not the solution to living a long life.

hhaahhaha..

Tp4 am better than everyone else, BEFORE eating vegetables.. But now am EVEN M0ar better than everyone else, hopefully until age 85..

hahahahaha



Sedentary lifestyles does take a toll,  and excercize helps..


But it's important to be cognizant of the fact that EVEN in isolation,  a 100% veggie diet will significantly increase and improve lifespan,  Because the current context is such that meats directly cause almost all known leading death types in the developed western world..

[jonathanyu]

Ummmm....

I need a interpreter.. so tp4 eat meat or not

He stopped a couple weeks ago and suddenly he's better than everyone. 

Seriously though, being active plays the most important role in living a long life. Reducing, or completely cutting, your animal product intake can offset the costs of a sedentary lifestyle but alone is not the solution to living a long life.

hhaahhaha..

Tp4 am better than everyone else, BEFORE eating vegetables.. But now am EVEN M0ar better than everyone else, hopefully until age 85..



Sedentary lifestyles does take a toll,  and excercize helps..


But it's important to understand that EVEN in isolation,  a vegetable diet will significantly increase and improve lifespan,  Because the current context is such that meats directly cause almost all known leading death types.

I had tried to be a vegan.... for two days
**** me honestly
Gimme the meat

[tp4tissue]

I had tried to be a vegan.... for two days
**** me honestly
Gimme the meat

Tp4 am doing it..

But would NOT bother recommending it to anyone else besides people who are at --great peril-- and perhaps family members showing signs of degeneration.


Unless you're crazy (Tp4),   or enjoy relearning to cook EVERYTHING, or even have the TIME  do that..    Just eat meat,  die of heart disease or cancer at age 65-70,  and call it..   

It's   like telling smokers to quit smoking.. 

[jonathanyu]

I had tried to be a vegan.... for two days
**** me honestly
Gimme the meat

Tp4 am doing it..

But would NOT bother recommending it to anyone else besides people who are at --great peril-- and perhaps family members showing signs of degeneration.

All my uncles at their 80 or 70 are still walking and jumping like monkey......

[tp4tissue]

I had tried to be a vegan.... for two days
**** me honestly
Gimme the meat

Tp4 am doing it..

But would NOT bother recommending it to anyone else besides people who are at --great peril-- and perhaps family members showing signs of degeneration.

All my uncles at their 80 or 70 are still walking and jumping like monkey......

They're probably from a different era..   Their stint of debilitating meat consumption couldn't have occurred until age 30+..

Prior to that,  most of their calories were most likely plants..



Although, even if they were of the wealth class that had lots of meat throughout their lives,  it's dangerous to take narrow life circumstances and apply it to the whole..



The western diseases today killing most people in America and Europe have nearly NO prevalence in primarily vegetable eating communities..

[noisyturtle]

I always wanted to try going carb-less for a while to see if I feel any better, but eeeeeeeeeeeverything has freakin carbs in it, it's almost impossible!

[tp4tissue]

I always wanted to try going carb-less for a while to see if I feel any better, but eeeeeeeeeeeverything has freakin carbs in it, it's almost impossible!

did that in college.. got skinny and much female attention,  but felt sick..

[OfTheWild]

I always wanted to try going carb-less for a while to see if I feel any better, but eeeeeeeeeeeverything has freakin carbs in it, it's almost impossible!

I did keto from Oct-Feb and dropped 40lbs which in turn made it much easier to work out and feel better. Its a good method to reverse some bad eating habits but it doesnt seem to be a healthy long-term solution. tp4 is on the track that most of the research is pointing toward for long term healthy life style. "eat real food. not a lot. mostly plants" is a great quote M.Pollan came up with after his deep dive into the food industry.

[Elrick]

You only really lose weight when you're isolated and separated from the so-called civilized world.

Meaning, no ready served meals supplied, instead you have to go out and hunt and YES you will eventually eat anything just to stave off hunger for a few hours or a day if you're lucky.

You soft and limp nerdlings never had to survive out in the wilderness for weeks and the only thing on your mind is to search for food when the rations run out.  The real good thing about us humans, is that we can eat just about anything whether it's dead, alive or petrified.

Nothing is off the menu but water still ranks up their as paramount beyond just looking for food.

[OfTheWild]

Oh i almost forgot... my baby's pediatrician is really into all this food science stuff too and after getting into the discussion this morning about the MacGregor committee fiasco of the late 60's he recommended this doctor Michael Greger MD. who wrote a book "How not to die" and runs a website https://nutritionfacts.org It made me think of you, TP4. Have you read it or seen any of his videos?

[tp4tissue]

Oh i almost forgot... my baby's pediatrician is really into all this food science stuff too and after getting into the discussion this morning about the MacGregor committee fiasco of the late 60's he recommended this doctor Michael Greger MD. who wrote a book "How not to die" and runs a website https://nutritionfacts.org It made me think of you, TP4. Have you read it or seen any of his videos?

I've looked into his stuff.


He's been a Huge advocate of organic, and seldom gives any reason as to WHY,  he'll just slip it into his material spontaneously for little reason..


I have a feeling there's an ulterior motive behind this guy's moves..



As far as the facts on health he's aligned with,  There is no conflict with the current science on whole plant food diets.

[mrduul]

I have also read Bone Broth is amazing for the mitochondria.

[tp4tissue]

I have also read Bone Broth is amazing for the mitochondria.

You can always find Something good about something..


So certainly animal products have components of which can in isolation, be said to be Beneficial.


The trouble is,  animal products as a WHOLE,  is causing western cancers, heart disease, stroke, diabetes..


As all of these are among the leading cause of death in the USA,   MEAT consumption is the leading cause of death in the USA.


So, what the plant food people are saying in more succinct terms,  is that the Cons outweigh the Pros, as demonstrated by the death statistics..

[drewba]

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I'm all in favour of veganism. More meat and milk for real people, after all .

Bro have you tried Raw Milk? It's great!

Also colustrum   

Eating meat remains a choice..

From the social planner perspective your earlier demise due to diseases of affluence is beneficial, and your productivity span is more easily regulated and utilized, because your end game options don't exist..


You get to enjoy all the delicious foods you like as the trade off.


When the majority of you suffer from heart disease or cancer,  your lifetime productivity and wealth RETURN to the system through the medicare process.

And because the majority of you guys will die much earlier than vegans,  you will also significantly reduce the Negative productivity offset by not living retirement into old age.





ALTHOUGH,  here we are only assuming maintenance of the status quo.   An improved market of occupied old-persons has not been developed.. Currently many pioneering projects happening in germany/japan

It is possible that should this market emerge, it could be of greater benefit, then merely earlier termination by suboptimal-feeding.[/size]

I disagree. My font is larger, bolder and more comic sansier; therefore I win.

[mrduul]

I have also read Bone Broth is amazing for the mitochondria.

You can always find Something good about something..


So certainly animal products have components of which can in isolation, be said to be Beneficial.

The problem lies in LACK of exercise and Portion sizes.


The trouble is,  animal products as a WHOLE,  is causing western cancers, heart disease, stroke, diabetes..


As all of these are among the leading cause of death in the USA,   MEAT consumption is the leading cause of death in the USA.


So, what the plant food people are saying in more succinct terms,  is that the Cons outweigh the Pros, as demonstrated by the death statistics..

[tp4tissue]

I have also read Bone Broth is amazing for the mitochondria.

You can always find Something good about something..


So certainly animal products have components of which can in isolation, be said to be Beneficial.




The trouble is,  animal products as a WHOLE,  is causing western cancers, heart disease, stroke, diabetes..


As all of these are among the leading cause of death in the USA,   MEAT consumption is the leading cause of death in the USA.


So, what the plant food people are saying in more succinct terms,  is that the Cons outweigh the Pros, as demonstrated by the death statistics..

The problem lies in LACK of exercise and Portion sizes.

That is part of the problem..  but it is apparently not the main contributor of the diseases we're after namely heart and cancer.


For example, from the research ,  in the primarily plant food communities, the occupants actually eat MORE in total calories than our Western Diet counterparts.  YET they do not have our diseases.

So that rules out how much is being eaten , rather it's what's being eaten.

[tp4tissue]

I disagree. My font is larger, bolder and more comic sansier; therefore I win.

Fixed.. !!

[mrduul]

I have also read Bone Broth is amazing for the mitochondria.

You can always find Something good about something..


What is your ideal diet to eat.


So certainly animal products have components of which can in isolation, be said to be Beneficial.




The trouble is,  animal products as a WHOLE,  is causing western cancers, heart disease, stroke, diabetes..


As all of these are among the leading cause of death in the USA,   MEAT consumption is the leading cause of death in the USA.


So, what the plant food people are saying in more succinct terms,  is that the Cons outweigh the Pros, as demonstrated by the death statistics..

The problem lies in LACK of exercise and Portion sizes.

That is part of the problem..  but it is apparently not the main contributor of the diseases we're after namely heart and cancer.


For example, from the research ,  in the primarily plant food communities, the occupants actually eat MORE in total calories than our Western Diet counterparts.  YET they do not have our diseases.

So that rules out how much is being eaten , rather it's what's being eaten.

[tp4tissue]

What is your ideal diet to eat.

According to the best science of TODAY


No heart disease:              maximum of 10% of daily calories from plant fats.

No Cancer, No diabetes, reduced autoimmune:     0% animal products.


Everything else is OK..

[dante]

TOO SALTY

[mrduul]

geez... 
 

[tp4tissue]

geez... 
 

I concur.. I highly highly doubt the majority of food addicts could pull it off.. 

At least not until their first heart attack ..

But there is a 25% chance your first heart attack kills you.


coupled with the fact that heart disease death is 25% of ALL deaths in america..  1 in 4 people who Die in america die of heart disease..




The odds of One hit KO from meat consumption is far too high for anyone who understands statistics

[Alline Cliff]

[chyros]

I'm all in favour of veganism. More meat and milk for real people, after all .

Bro have you tried Raw Milk? It's great!

Also colustrum   

Raw milk is a bit farmish for me . Whole milk is amazing though, definitely my favourite drink in the universe. Shame it gets you fat so easily.