Current highest quality Cherry switch board, period? Serious about this.

[typo]

Okay I took out backlighting since all the current ones are of low quality.
I mean the highest build quality, not features Etc.
Must have PBT/Pom caps Double Shot or Dyesub,Thick. Spacebar can be ABS but prefer PBT/POM. Case can be anything that is sturdy and does not flex.
Plate or PCB is fine.
The heaviest Tactile non clicky possible.
No Korean Customs. Something I can order and have shipped promptly. Unless there is something on the horizon. Or someone has a Korean ready to ship.
Not made in China would be a big bonus. It is not required however.
Detachable cord is a bonus but also not required.
Full size standard Windows layout.
Under $500 is a bonus but not required either.
It does not matter if the profile is flat or stepped.

I just prefer Cherry switches vastly to Topre. Call me odd.
My Decks are fine and meet most of these requirements but just looking for something new if possible. I am just wondering what is out there now. Must be in stock anywhere on the Net.

I am not trying to Spam.Troll. This is a serious matter to me. You alll know I have contributed to this forum as well. Reviews do not simply say which one is the absolute best built. Ie, RealForce(not RGB) quality but with Cherry switches. Preferably as heavy as possible. Even linear will do. For that matter if the quality is there I will settle for browns or blues.
My other thread got derailed because I insisted on Backlit. As mentioned in that thread there are currently no high quality Backlit boards. Not even the RealForce RGB. Apparently TG3 is the only company that ever took Backlit seriously. Mainly aimed at Gamers, as you all know and the board was simply too expensive leading to it's demise. However as I said above price is not an object within reason but must be in stock somewhere. I just say that because $100,000 would be kind of ridiculous if that even exists.

I am serious about this and hope some folks will add ideas. Not what you perceive to be quality but rather something that is universally regarded as such. If it turns out there is nothing currently made I will consider used so long as it is on Ebay, Etc.

Thank all of you here 

[Joey Quinn]

Buy a WASD Code with clears and swap the caps.

[Puddsy]

Prebuilt? Filco. Slap some GMK one one and you're good forever.

Kit? 356CL (but you'll never get one).

Easiliy available, cheap (ish) kit? Probably MIRA or CLS right now. Get in on Moon if you don't want to try and finagle a spot.

[typo]

Probably the code. Where can I get a full set of Double Shot PBT or Dyesub PBT for it? It looks like there is no longer a Filco with Clears. Korean as you said never get it. Even though I have Three but they are TKL. The most I want to do is switch the caps anyways. So I just need a source for them. I did not realize the Filco is that good but I am confident with the WASD. If only I liked Topre switches. I know I am the odd Guy out on that. I have Two like new RealForce 55G High profile and Two or Three HHKB. I especially do not like anything other than a full layout. Model F/M does not do it for me either I have a few. It is the MX Clear that I love.  I love the decks just fine but they have one issue. Every now and then cold solder joints will show up. I have Three of them. They were hand made but I guess solder loosens with age or something. Plus PCB does not help. It is a tank though. Compare the weight.  I would prefer a board with caps already on it if possible. I mean made that way from the manufacturer. If possible. It is time for a brand new board now.  I appreciate the ideas.

[tp4tissue]

Ergodox.. Booooom.. Done..

[klennkellon]

Ergodox.. Booooom.. Done..

I think you like the ergo-dox!

[czarek]

Filco or Ducky. Please just be careful with Filco and Cherry profile caps, especially thick GMK ones as they don't quite fit with the Costar stabs and rub the switches when bottomed out making them feel a bit mushy. Ducky is fine in this regard. I don't like kinda gamer asthetic of Ducky though, and their non-gamer lower end products are not as good quality as Filcos.

As for WASD, I really like the way they look but their cases have very sharp corners and bottom left corner scratches my palm constantly when I type.
Also I had 2 of their keyboards and one came with non clicky blues (well some of them clicked faintly), the other came with silent reds that felt a bit funny. It's like they used too high temperature for soldering switches or some second grade switches, not confirmed though, just my bad experience with them.

And yeah as someone recommended ErgoDox it's a viable option if you like the layout since you can get a custom made one. You can also get a lot of custom built Cherry based keyboards nowadays, some not even that expensive. Especially if you're based in EU check out our shop, otherwise there are plenty others (including ours) that ship worldwide and will be happy to build a nice custom board.

[Entropia]

Leopold, Varmilo or Ducky are the best choices.

[typo]

$500-$600 is okay. I did not mean low end but highest quality. I know that will cost a bit. Ducky honestly seems to me like Razer Etc. Maybe a little higher quality. Now the Filco is out since no thick PBT. GMK are ABS anyways, right? Must be PBT/POM DoubleShot or Dyesub. Probably better to get custom. Since the board+Caps will be about that much anyways. The Deck was basically custom and backlit. As I said soldering issues and I own a few of them. I did not know you can wreck the switch overheating it. That explains a lot. These are cold joints that show up randomly years after new. Strange. I guess I will look at customs but I do not wish to wait more than 3 months and must have cheap shipping to US. I have come across some Koreans i purchased. I do not know where you go looking for a custom though? Off the shelf the Two best ones Ducky and filco do not realy impres me. I like WASD but now you concern me. How can they sell $250 boards with ABS if they have that issue? I believe you though. The Decks are perfect but they are very difficult to solder and I would need to rework an entire board to be safe. This is more difficult than I thought. I do not think there is actually any very high end off the shelf board anymore? Well, WASD except for the issue you mention. Custom depends on what it is. I just want a standard Win layout 104-105 key. So something else has to be special to justify it like Aluminum case or something. Those Coler Masters look nice, can I put keys on those. Then there is the question of if there ar complete PBT sets. I saw Varmilo and thought it was lower grade? Leopold I know is good and forgot about. If I can get the caps on the board I would be happier. I guess these are just not really aimed at typing such as Topre for the most part Gaming. Sorry for so many questions Thanks Guy's.

[dante]

Your focus is all wrong.  You should start by selecting high quality keyboard switches before you worry about the board.

[Justintoxicated]

So ducky and filco are better than these?

http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/3-custom-kbds-w-assembly

[davkol]

Has GON actually started to deliver?

[chyros]

Your focus is all wrong.  You should start by selecting high quality keyboard switches before you worry about the board.

Heheheh, touche.

[Tiramisuu]

One could argue for the CHERRY MX BOARD 6.0.

The customs on average aren't great quality.
Most are kind of half assed  but it's the only way of getting nkro, fully programmable, ortholinear etc. 
They simply aren't made in bulk.

If you are will to drop megabucks on the ergodox ez it looks fairly consistently made.
The customs are as good and the builder and the fitment is as good as the kit.   Completely hit and miss.
Paying a premium for a hand wired or home 3d printed board doesn't get you polish.

[Puddsy]

Has GON actually started to deliver?

LMAO no

So ducky and filco are better than these?

http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/3-custom-kbds-w-assembly

Yes, because if you order a ducky/filco, it'll actually show up in the mail.

[Leslieann]

$500-$600 is okay. I did not mean low end but highest quality. I know that will cost a bit. Ducky honestly seems to me like Razer Etc. Maybe a little higher quality. Now the Filco is out since no thick PBT.

Spending more will not help.
Low volume items generally have more issues than high volume items since there is more testing done. Do you honestly think someone who makes 50-100 keyboards is going be better at it than a company who makes 50k of them a year? Yes, that aluminum Korean custom is nice, but how many people worked on the electronics, how many did the electronics, do you know their qualifications, how about test procedures or quality control? I'm not saying a Korean custom is bad, it's just that Filco is built by Costar who build tons and tons of keyboards and have this process finely tuned, vs a guy (possibly) doing them in his garage in his spare time. You may get a fantastic one, or a bad one, and you also may get one from an entire batch that had a flaw and it's not serious enough or he can't afford to redo it and fix it.


By the way, if thick PBT is a requirement, you just threw out 99% of everything on the market, in fact, it pretty much narrows down to just one or two manufacturers, and one of them, is certainly not the best.


On the other hand, if your budget is that high, then the best option is to combine things, like a Filco with aftermarket key caps. You are still FAR below your threshold on price and you have the best of it all.

[pr0ximity]

Maybe a Filco with one of those Lambo cases. EZ, no frills, high quality feel. Then get some good caps.

Unfortunately you'll never quite get "highest quality Cherry" retail, lubed switches are required. Plate options are also limited: you won't get a brass or top-mounted plate on any retail board.

[typo]

The problem with Customs is they are either Vaporware or Take Months to ship plus require some degree of assembly at a minimum. I am fine with stock Switches. The plate does not matter to me, nor does NKRO,Macro's ETC. So little use for a custom. Plus I already have Three Koreans. TKL though. I set the bar that high because I did not realize they were less expensive. The MX 6.0 is nice except I do not want Red's. I figure I am just going to get a Filco and Get Keys. Two questions remain and this is it. One, Is the Filco built as well As the Deck Legend was? Two, Where do I get a full set of PBT keys? Thank you Guy's.

[Giorgio]

Do you know that the most recent cherry switches are smoother?

[Giorgio]

Get a pcb mounted uniqey q100 keyboard. If you don't like the switches, you can easily replace them without desoldering.

[Leslieann]

The problem with Customs is they are either Vaporware or Take Months to ship plus require some degree of assembly at a minimum. I am fine with stock Switches. The plate does not matter to me, nor does NKRO,Macro's ETC. So little use for a custom. Plus I already have Three Koreans. TKL though. I set the bar that high because I did not realize they were less expensive. The MX 6.0 is nice except I do not want Red's. I figure I am just going to get a Filco and Get Keys. Two questions remain and this is it. One, Is the Filco built as well As the Deck Legend was? Two, Where do I get a full set of PBT keys? Thank you Guy's.

Filco is pretty much the standard for quality that others are measured by, so it should probably be is the Deck built as well as the Filco.
I haven't seen inside a Deck, but I would imagine they are comparable, besides, once you reach a certain point, quality becomes a pissing contest.

As for keycaps
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=40

[Rayoui]

Why not just take the keycaps off one of the Deck boards you have sitting around and slap them on a Filco?

Alternatively, Leopold makes some high quality boards that come with thick PBT keycaps.

[Jokrik]

Filco baby!

[Giorgio]

Get a pcb mounted uniqey q100 keyboard. If you don't like the switches, you can easily replace them without desoldering.

I forgot to tell you that uniqey keyboards have gmk doubleshot keycaps 

Available in ansi and iso de.

[SpAmRaY]

Get one of the Leopold boards with stock thick PBT caps. You won't find one with clears but browns, reds and blacks are available.

I used to swear by clears and now use silent reds.

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[typo]

The uniqey looks like what I want. GMK are ABS and do get shiny. So I will have to replace them. So the uniqey The way I want it is $307USD and $100+ for a keyset. Still under my budget. It does look a step above Filco and Leopold. Plus there are very few boards with clear switches. The uniqey may in fact be higher quality then the Deck. PBT case Vs. Aluminum. Both pretty darn robust.

The Deck Legend was a nonstandard layout. No standardized caps are compatible with it and likewise it's caps Will fit almost no other board. The caps are actually more robust than even any other PBT caps. That is why they are in nearly every Cop car. They build them like that to this day for a reason. It is not to save money. The equipment to do this cost them 3 Million USD according to them. Many people dislike them however. If they fit another board that would be ideal for me but highly unlikely. Plus they are not very good unbacklit.

Edit: I see the keysets are like $30-$50. That is good. I did not know they were that cheap. I wonder what a 105 TG3 set costs if they sold them which they do not.

I will probably get the uniqey and the keyset at Mechanialkeyboards.

Thank you Guys. This thread achieved exactly as I wished. To expose a high end board I was unaware of.

[Giorgio]

Happy that you have chosen the uniqey! I would have bought it too if they offered iso-uk. There are many group buys for silent switches right now, so I would buy the uniqey to install on my own the silent switches (you just replace the top of the switch and the stem, withou desoldering. Anyway you can purchese the clips as a separate purchase, in the same order.

Have you visited https://uniqey.net/ ?

You can personalize the color of the case, the wood on the sides, and the color of the keycaps too!

[SpAmRaY]

The uniqey looks like what I want. GMK are ABS and do get shiny. So I will have to replace them. So the uniqey The way I want it is $307USD and $100+ for a keyset. Still under my budget. It does look a step above Filco and Leopold. Plus there are very few boards with clear switches. The uniqey may in fact be higher quality then the Deck. PBT case Vs. Aluminum. Both pretty darn robust.

The Deck Legend was a nonstandard layout. No standardized caps are compatible with it and likewise it's caps Will fit almost no other board. The caps are actually more robust than even any other PBT caps. That is why they are in nearly every Cop car. They build them like that to this day for a reason. It is not to save money. The equipment to do this cost them 3 Million USD according to them. Many people dislike them however. If they fit another board that would be ideal for me but highly unlikely. Plus they are not very good unbacklit.

Edit: I see the keysets are like $30-$50. That is good. I did not know they were that cheap. I wonder what a 105 TG3 set costs if they sold them which they do not.

I will probably get the uniqey and the keyset at Mechanialkeyboards.

Thank you Guys. This thread achieved exactly as I wished. To expose a high end board I was unaware of.

If you are putting a $30 dollar keyset in place of GMK ABS that makes no sense to me.

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[Rayoui]

The uniqey looks like what I want. GMK are ABS and do get shiny. So I will have to replace them. So the uniqey The way I want it is $307USD and $100+ for a keyset. Still under my budget. It does look a step above Filco and Leopold. Plus there are very few boards with clear switches. The uniqey may in fact be higher quality then the Deck. PBT case Vs. Aluminum. Both pretty darn robust.

The Deck Legend was a nonstandard layout. No standardized caps are compatible with it and likewise it's caps Will fit almost no other board. The caps are actually more robust than even any other PBT caps. That is why they are in nearly every Cop car. They build them like that to this day for a reason. It is not to save money. The equipment to do this cost them 3 Million USD according to them. Many people dislike them however. If they fit another board that would be ideal for me but highly unlikely. Plus they are not very good unbacklit.

Edit: I see the keysets are like $30-$50. That is good. I did not know they were that cheap. I wonder what a 105 TG3 set costs if they sold them which they do not.

I will probably get the uniqey and the keyset at Mechanialkeyboards.

Thank you Guys. This thread achieved exactly as I wished. To expose a high end board I was unaware of.

If you are putting a $30 dollar keyset in place of GMK ABS that makes no sense to me.

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Agreed. GMK caps are some of the best you can get. You might want to give them a try before you swap them out. You may find that you really enjoy them.

[LiquidEvilGaming]

Pre built?  Leopold 750R (Or equivalent size you prefer) 980M also a nice layout if you need a Numpad.


No other stock Cherry board I have used or owns comes close.

Filco,Das,KUL,Ducky,Deck,Ganss,VORTEX,KBP, etc etc etc.

Custom?  No clue as my knowledge of those is very small. 

[shadowku]

In my experience, Filco and newer Leopolds are some of the best pre-built keyboards I've seen in terms of quality.

As for the people here saying WASD's Code Keyboard is of high quality.. I've seen quite a few of those boards lately where a switch wasn't working or an LED or two wasn't lighting up. One of my friends had to send it back two times before he got one that was in perfect working order.

For any of these keyboards, you're probably going to want to swap out the keycaps.

[cultofjosh]

I've used both a Filco TKL with Cherry blacks and a WASD Code TKL with clears at home. I love the WASD and feel pretty meh about the Filco, but that's probably more a reflection of my taste in switches than the keyboards themselves. I think you'll be fine with any reputable keyboard as long as you know what you like in switches. Although I wouldn't go as far as to suggest a Razer with switches you like...

I'm guessing Vortex is one of the lower quality manufacturers being mentioned? I've had 2 poker 2s. The one with clears started freaking out every once in a while at one point so I stopped using it because it was too annoying. The one with browns is still going strong and is the older one. I have a beautiful FMJ poker case so I'll likely be purchasing a poker 3 with clears soon.

[typo]

I have most certainly been to  https://uniqey.net/! I am just mustering up the courage to send $307 USD To Germany LOL. Oh, nothing against Germany but somehow I think money gets lost duh! Not like they send it post, it is electronic transfer. I know but I am pretty old school about those things. I know they are 100% legit. I hope they can get it to me in a few months. Just hate waiting. I will give the GMK a run first. I do not see how ABS can be any good but I know those are highly touted. So no harm to try them first. Decks keys are just built for maximum robustness as used in Cop cars. Most of you luckily have no idea what goes on in cop cars but it is mostly the Doughnuts that kills their boards HAHA. I can see though why many people do not like it for typing. Their issue sems to be cold solder joints. I cannot really say that though because we are talking 15020 years later there are failures. Although a model F usually gives us no problems so go figure. Filco,Leopold do not appear to be in the same league as Uniqey. I hope I am not sorry and bet I am not. Honestly $300 is not the end of the world. RealForce used to be that much. One thing though I hope i do not get screwed on Postage and Customs. Customs will open it and probably figure it is nothing unusual so I imagine all good. It is not like they are opening a box of African Diamonds. anyways, Germany is not on their radar. I have gotten screwed though. Once I ordered Jewels from Greece and Had to fight Customs because they were thinking they were way more valuable than they actually wre. Had to fax the Receipt to NY Airport and everything. They held them up 3 weeks. When the guy would have had them to me in less than a week. I doubt that happens with Germany. just giving my self things to worry about since I will be waiting for it. I am OCD like that! Thanks guy's. I pretty much made up my mind. $200+ on something else when $100 more I am pretty sure is buying a different level of quality. Like a Korean but probably not made in someones garage I suppose. these GMK wil be interesting. I do not know How ABS can be any good but I do read they are very good. Plus I hate pulling every single key. A few, fine. I will let you Guy's know about it once it is here. Unless someone really thinks a Filco,Leopold is actually better but I just cannot see that being the case. Thank you Guy's this helped a lot. Glad I posted the right question!

[shadowku]

Hmm I only came across the Uniqey recently and by looking at the renders, I thought it looks a bit cheap. It reminds me of Dell/HP keyboards.
I still don't like the look, but I'm looking for reviews of this thing. Very interesting.

[Rayoui]

I have most certainly been to  https://uniqey.net/! I am just mustering up the courage to send $307 USD To Germany LOL. Oh, nothing against Germany but somehow I think money gets lost duh! Not like they send it post, it is electronic transfer. I know but I am pretty old school about those things. I know they are 100% legit. I hope they can get it to me in a few months. Just hate waiting. I will give the GMK a run first. I do not see how ABS can be any good but I know those are highly touted. So no harm to try them first. Decks keys are just built for maximum robustness as used in Cop cars. Most of you luckily have no idea what goes on in cop cars but it is mostly the Doughnuts that kills their boards HAHA. I can see though why many people do not like it for typing. Their issue sems to be cold solder joints. I cannot really say that though because we are talking 15020 years later there are failures. Although a model F usually gives us no problems so go figure. Filco,Leopold do not appear to be in the same league as Uniqey. I hope I am not sorry and bet I am not. Honestly $300 is not the end of the world. RealForce used to be that much. One thing though I hope i do not get screwed on Postage and Customs. Customs will open it and probably figure it is nothing unusual so I imagine all good. It is not like they are opening a box of African Diamonds. anyways, Germany is not on their radar. I have gotten screwed though. Once I ordered Jewels from Greece and Had to fight Customs because they were thinking they were way more valuable than they actually wre. Had to fax the Receipt to NY Airport and everything. They held them up 3 weeks. When the guy would have had them to me in less than a week. I doubt that happens with Germany. just giving my self things to worry about since I will be waiting for it. I am OCD like that! Thanks guy's. I pretty much made up my mind. $200+ on something else when $100 more I am pretty sure is buying a different level of quality. Like a Korean but probably not made in someones garage I suppose. these GMK wil be interesting. I do not know How ABS can be any good but I do read they are very good. Plus I hate pulling every single key. A few, fine. I will let you Guy's know about it once it is here. Unless someone really thinks a Filco,Leopold is actually better but I just cannot see that being the case. Thank you Guy's this helped a lot. Glad I posted the right question!

Don't be so quick to judge quality simply based on cost. I certainly wouldn't say the Uniqey is "a different level of quality." It has an aluminum case, but it is very different from a CNC'd Korean custom or similar. The Uniqey is just a folded piece of aluminum sheet metal, not much different than a Corsair K70.

If you are looking for a solid typing feel, the Filco or Leopold would probably be the better choice as the Uniqey does not have plate mounted switches. That could be a boon or bane, depending on what you are looking for. The absence of a plate means you can remove the switch tops and it makes for a more "cushioned" typing feel.

Just make sure you know exactly what you are getting before you spend $300+ on a board.

[Leslieann]

If you are looking for a solid typing feel, the Filco or Leopold would probably be the better choice as the Uniqey does not have plate mounted switches. That could be a boon or bane, depending on what you are looking for. The absence of a plate means you can remove the switch tops and it makes for a more "cushioned" typing feel.

No plate in a full size? WTF.
The Aluminum frame (skin is more like it), is not going to make up for the a lack of a plate. Unless you use a ton of screws to fasten the pcb down to the baseplate (and I doubt they used that many) it's going to flex, a lot and inconsistently.

[Giorgio]

Uniqey doesn't have this problem.
Read the reviews!

[Leslieann]

Uniqey doesn't have this problem.
Read the reviews!

None of the reviews on my Vortex Race mentioned it either and it twists like a wet noodle.

I would genuinely be surprised if it could match a Filco, Das, Leopold, Model M, etc.. in stiffness without a plate. It may be fine, many people think rubber domes are fine, but it's pretty much impossible to match that stiffness without plate mount because it's almost impossible to brace a pcb the same way.

There is also the human factor, if you just spent $300 on a keyboard, odds are you aren't going to want to say it's no better than anything else, much less admit that it's terrible. This is also applies to Topre, Apple, KMAC, etc., people see the price and "just know" it must be better. Perceived quality plays with people's minds.

[Skull_Angel]

Can only give you my own experiences; started out with a Plum plu-ml-3000 ("cheap", but decent at the time), moved onto Ducky Shine 2 (great board, build quality was a noted step up), then onto a Varmilo VA-87m (comparable to Leopold/manufactured in the same factory). The quality difference between the Ducky and Varmilo was not a wide margin; no issues out of the box (not uncommon for there to be dead LED issues with any backlit board though), the PCB looked cleaner on the Varmilo, but the solder joints were comparable and good. I'd suspect this follows suit with any well regarded manufacturer; I've taken a good look at a lot of PCBs and the top manufacturers don't have issues with cold joints, overflow, or bleed out.

I did do some light modding to the Varmilo for fun; swapped the case for a CNC aluminum one from Amazon and Cherry POM alphas from Signature Plastics. Solid typing experience which should hold me over until some of the custom stuff comes through (can't wait for some sweet 75% goodness!).

[davkol]

I would genuinely be surprised if it could match a Filco, Das, Leopold, Model M, etc.. in stiffness without a plate. It may be fine, many people think rubber domes are fine, but it's pretty much impossible to match that stiffness without plate mount because it's almost impossible to brace a pcb the same way.

Have you ever used a Cherry G80-1000? This should be similar but with a metal case.

Heck, I've just tried my G80-2100 and while yes, the plastic case creaks when twisted (who sane would do that anyway?), there's a tiny amount of give even when smashing keys hard. I don't get how that's a bad thing, unless people (a) enjoy punching walls for fun as well, (b) need the keyboard to be sufficiently different to justify the purchase.

[Giorgio]

This is one of the many reviews that say that the keyboard doesn't flex

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65741.msg2391709#msg2391709

"Having my Uniqey for about a week now, and just love it. It is solid, heavy, no flex, no wriggling, keys sit very tight and the caps are beautiful (my first GMK caps) it's just wow!"

[dante]

Also to note just because something is smaller and PCB mounted doesn't mean it won't flex.  My Poker 1 flexed like crazy in the middle of the PCB; however this was corrected with the KBT Pure when they added an additional screw.

[lolkey]

Varmilo boards are severely underrated, imo. Their cherry clone stabilizers are the best stabilizers I've ever used. Their boards have a really high quality feel, and their packaging is amazing. I still remember getting my first mech, the Filco. I thought at the time it was the best board from what I had read, and it came in just a cardboard box with no padding. My Pok3r also came in just a cardboard box with no padding and had broken solder balls rolling around inside the case, lol. Sent it back for a replacement. Varmilo comes in a nice magnetic box with a full thick foam layer inside with a really nice representation like you paid for a quality product. The dye sub keycaps alone sell for like $70 on mechanicalkeyboards.com, but you can get a TKL board for like $150 shipped with great quality caps. Meanwhile a Filco TKL is $150 comes packaged like ****, has garbage keycaps, has horrible flex and cracking sounds from plastic flexing in the winter when heat kicks on.

They have an e-mail which you can order directly from them. They give you a ton of customization options, like a wide selection of layouts, dye sub caps, plate color, case color, cherry keys, gateron, rgb, etc.

[lolkey]

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[lolkey]

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[Auk]

triple post 

time to get a new mouse? check if you have a double click fault: http://unixpapa.com/js/testmouse.html

[lolkey]

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time to get a new mouse? check if you have a double click fault: http://unixpapa.com/js/testmouse.html

 ) No, I kept hitting quote instead of modify.

[Entropia]

I don't see the point of spending more money simply because you can. That will not always grant that you will get a better keyboard. Some models simply are overpriced and others keep on being premium boards with all you could ever wish and for the right price. My advice is: get a Leopold, a Varmilo or a Ducky.

[Giorgio]

Time to lock this thread.

[Leslieann]

I don't get how that's a bad thing, unless people (a) enjoy punching walls for fun as well, (b) need the keyboard to be sufficiently different to justify the purchase.

My Filco TKL has an extra thick stainless steel plate inside a Vortex aluminum case, while stiff, it's still not like punching a wall.

I have yet to use a Cherry keyboard without a plate that didn't come across as barely better than a cheap rubber dome keyboard.