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Have just received notification that personal financial interests are at odds with promotion of the Veggie campaign.


Gekhak Rejoice.  Praise be !!

You're on ur own. Be well !



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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 08:54:40 »
are you selling beef now?

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 09:01:04 »
This means you were never vegan! Haha!

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 09:03:05 »
This means you were never vegan! Haha!

I have used the term shorthand

But I've always maintained that Tp4 is NOT VEGAN!!

Tp4 is a pragmatist above all


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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 09:07:34 »
Given you're no longer mr veggie I think by law you're now required to remove the teal color from your posts.

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 09:08:30 »
Given you're no longer mr veggie I think by law you're now required to remove the teal color from your posts.

Teal Stays.. !!

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 09:46:39 »
Wait, you're too poor to afford grass now?! Oo
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 10:06:19 »
TIL TP4 owns Tyson stock

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 11:07:59 »
In terms of nutritional value per $, vegetables are far cheaper than meat. OP lies.
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 11:09:39 »
there is no god
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 12:40:58 »
Finally! Now let’s go get you some fried chicken
I've got people to disappoint, I got mistakes to make.
How can you believe that I'm not a waste of space?
Oh I'm sorry to disappoint, I seldom save face.
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 12:58:47 »


This is now a fried chicken thread


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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 17:20:39 »
Why is it always either:or?

One of these days I figure that I will be about 90% vegetarian but what is the harm in a meat meal a week?
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 17:36:36 »
so is tp4 hopping on the calories-per-dollar train now?
tp thread is tp thread
Sometimes it's like he accidentally makes a thread instead of a google search.

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 18:07:42 »
I give no ****s about the thread, just wanted to say hi to CLiB
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 18:31:26 »
I give no ****s about the thread, just wanted to say hi to CLiB



hi iri!
tp thread is tp thread
Sometimes it's like he accidentally makes a thread instead of a google search.

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 19:28:58 »
Next your going to tell us that you are meeting a female gekhacker irl.

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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 19:29:51 »
Next your going to tell us that you are meeting a female gekhacker irl.


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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 22:19:47 »
So how is the vegan detox coming along?

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 23:02:20 »
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Re: Effective Immediately, Tp4 is discontinuing Vegan Quest.. !!
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 22 May 2018, 06:50:52 »
Why is it always either:or?

One of these days I figure that I will be about 90% vegetarian but what is the harm in a meat meal a week?

Vegans tend to be "ethical vegans" more often than not. That means avoiding harm to animals altogether.

I can think of many arguments why that's misguided, but it's not like they care.