Maybe there Are No Ugly Dudes.. (Long)

[tp4tissue]

So, practically everyone has noticed now that facial hair gives any Guy at least a +1.5 in the Looks department on a 10 scale.

More likely, it resembles a ceiling function.. whereby the Beard makes you an Instant 6.5 to 7, regardless if you converge on 0 without the beard.

The rise of the neck beards..

0->7
1->7
2->7
3->7
4->7
5->7
6->7.5



What the facial hair really does, is that it more clearly defines the geometry of the face, pronouncing the edges.

Depending on the quantity of facial hair, it can define just the chin, to all around the face.

This typically has a Positive slimming effect, and slimming is almost universally desirable given our more Fluffy Murican' Nature.



Similarly, females use their long hair. Their slimming effect is done vertically by essentially cropping the sides of their face.



But here's the thing,  A CLEAN SHAVE wouldn't have been practical or very possible for the majority of the population until Very modern times..


We did the bulk of our evolution (Our Looks) before a close shave became a technical ubiquity.

Therefore,  perhaps the BULK of the now deemed Non-Lookers, are actually GOOD LOOKING, however their good looks was REPRESSED by the Misguided Fashion of a Clean Shave..


Such persons are good looking , having evolved to have a face geometrically proportioned to look good With a beard.. 

[noisyturtle]

Beards typically make your face look fatter and plumper, they don't slim the jawline at all. The opposite.

Also it's just a cycle. Beards will go out of fashion next decade, they cycle every 10 years or so.

[tp4tissue]

Beards typically make your face look fatter and plumper, they don't slim the jawline at all. The opposite.

Also it's just a cycle. Beards will go out of fashion next decade, they cycle every 10 years or so.

They do not make you look fatter..  hahaha

The total width or length of your Nogg may increase,  but the Perceived shape/size of your face is Reduced.

[C5Allroad]

What it's about confidence too?

Like you think you look better with beard so you walk more confidently. Thus more attractive to the grils.

Cause whenever I shave I look like a boy scout when I wear a hat at work where I have to shave.

[tp4tissue]

What it's about confidence too?

Like you think you look better with beard so you walk more confidently. Thus more attractive to the grils.

Cause whenever I shave I look like a boy scout when I wear a hat at work where I have to shave.

Start smoking cigarettes and eat alot of red meat..  That'll put you on the fast track to looking Old..

[C5Allroad]

What it's about confidence too?

Like you think you look better with beard so you walk more confidently. Thus more attractive to the grils.

Cause whenever I shave I look like a boy scout when I wear a hat at work where I have to shave.

Start smoking cigarettes and eat alot of red meat..  That'll put you on the fast track to looking Old..

Noted.. Imma follow my dads footsteps then

[Leslieann]

So, practically everyone has noticed now that facial hair gives any Guy at least a +1.5 in the Looks department on a 10 scale.

No.

The rise of the neck beards..

Hell no.

Depending on the quantity of facial hair, it can define just the chin, to all around the face.

Or make you look homeless.

I'm not against facial hair but this is way too broad. Full on homeless beard can be better on many guys than some of the shapes some put in it. Some may as well be called birth control for all the good it does you.

[invariance]

Beards are for people who fail at using a safety razor!

Bring back the mutton chops and horseshoe mo’.



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[tp4tissue]

I'm not against facial hair but this is way too broad. Full on homeless beard can be better on many guys than some of the shapes some put in it. Some may as well be called birth control for all the good it does you.

That's just it,  I couldn't find a single instance of anyone (male) who looks WORSE with a beard..

unless one's already incredibly good looking, to which the beard neither adds nor subtracts,   otherwise the beard is ALWAYS an improvement..

This excludes the very wacky over engineered designs of course, but then it's not the beard's fault, it's just bad craftsmanship

[noisyturtle]

unless one's already incredibly good looking, to which the beard neither adds nor subtracts,   otherwise the beard is ALWAYS an improvement..
 

idk I don't think Asian guys look good with facial hair. Or most don't at any rate.

Conversely, I think black guys look much better with a beard.

[Leslieann]

That's just it,  I couldn't find a single instance of anyone (male) who looks WORSE with a beard..

Or maybe they figured out the beard didn't work for them and so there is no pictures with.
Dicaprio looked silly,as does Zac Efron and Jake Gyllenhaal, and those were just the first ones on the first page I looked at.

[tp4tissue]

That's just it,  I couldn't find a single instance of anyone (male) who looks WORSE with a beard..

Or maybe they figured out the beard didn't work for them and so there is no pictures with.
Dicaprio looked silly,as does Zac Efron and Jake Gyllenhaal, and those were just the first ones on the first page I looked at.

Hahaha, I think you're in the area of personal-taste..

But if we just took it broadly , no dude looks worse.. with facial hair,


An example, 

On the right, doesn't shower, lazy, eats sandwiches


On the left, eats sandwiches, Hi I'm here to fix ur Excel, productive team support.. !!


If it works for this guy, it works for everyone..

[FrostyToast]

That's just it,  I couldn't find a single instance of anyone (male) who looks WORSE with a beard..

Or maybe they figured out the beard didn't work for them and so there is no pictures with.
Dicaprio looked silly,as does Zac Efron and Jake Gyllenhaal, and those were just the first ones on the first page I looked at.

Hahaha, I think you're in the area of personal-taste..

But if we just took it broadly , no dude looks worse.. with facial hair,


An example, 

On the right, doesn't shower, lazy, eats sandwiches


On the left, eats sandwiches, Hi I'm here to fix ur Excel, productive team support.. !!


If it works for this guy, it works for everyone..

(Attachment Link)

Left: I'm not the greatest looking but I made a web company and I'm a millionaire so you tell me who's attractive now.

Right: I might be a man. I might be a woman.

[tp4tissue]

Left: I'm not the greatest looking but I made a web company and I'm a millionaire so you tell me who's attractive now.

Right: I might be a man. I might be a woman.

FrostyToast gets it. !!

[noisyturtle]

It totally depends on the person's face. Look at Jon Hamm, Brad Pit, Denzel Washington, or Leonard Dicaprio.  They all look infinitely better without a beard because they are already good looking. A beard only covers up preexisting flaws, most people are not 9s or 10s.

[tp4tissue]

It totally depends on the person's face. Look at Jon Hamm, Brad Pit, Denzel Washington, or Leonard Dicaprio.  They all look infinitely better without a beard because they are already good looking. A beard only covers up preexisting flaws, most people are not 9s or 10s.

The stars do not look better OR worse with beards..

And for Normal-lookers, the beard is not covering up Flaws,  those areas would've been NATURALLY made irrelevant by a NATURAL beard.. which could not have been so cleanly removed EN MASS until very recent history.

So, on the left, that is what a cave female would've had to work with and evolve to select

Whereas the RIGHT, is completely unnatural and is a misguided Modern fashion not yet time tested by evolutionary pressure.

[HPE1000]

ur just wrong m8

[Leslieann]

Hahaha, I think you're in the area of personal-taste..

The whole thing is.

[suicidal_orange]

I think tp4 has a point on an evolutionary level - as humans evolved they became less hairy (compare apes) yet most males regardless of race can still grow a beard so there must be some advantage to it.

[Leslieann]

I think tp4 has a point on an evolutionary level - as humans evolved they became less hairy (compare apes) yet most males regardless of race can still grow a beard so there must be some advantage to it.

Women in general are more hairy than men want to acknowledge, and we still have pinky fingers which they say we will lose in the future, it takes time.
We may have had fire, but we didn't have modern textiles and central heating until quite recently.

Another quite important point here...
What men think is attractive for men often has more to do with intimidating other males and less to do with attracting women.

[tp4tissue]

Women in general are more hairy than men want to acknowledge, and we still have pinky fingers which they say we will lose in the future, it takes time.
We may have had fire, but we didn't have modern textiles and central heating until quite recently.

Another quite important point here...
What men think is attractive for men often has more to do with intimidating other males and less to do with attracting women.

Well, Tp4 is going from the perspective of the beard's influence on Visible Geometry.

[fohat.digs]

TP4 thread extraordinaire

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

best look: persistent 5-oclock shadow

[suicidal_orange]

Women in general are more hairy than men want to acknowledge

As long as y'all keep removing the hair we will never see it, therefore it doesn't exist

Seriously though, I would assume just like in males there's going to be a wide range of hairiness across females.  It seems likely that those who chose to stop shaving (or whatever) are going to be the hairiest examples as they would be the ones 'wasting' most time doing it, and this creates the illusion that all females are hairy.  I may be completely wrong with this as I only know one female who stopped shaving and she was already my ex at the time and I've not seen her since.  She did have dark hair and dark haired males are often hairier so my logic holds up, I think?

we still have pinky fingers which they say we will lose in the future, it takes time.

Hmm... does that mean we'll finally be rid of QWERTY?  It's not ideal with four fingers each side and can only be worse with three...

Another quite important point here...
What men think is attractive for men often has more to do with intimidating other males and less to do with attracting women.

This is a good point and is a plausible reason to keep a beard evolutionary speaking.  Personally I'd be more intimidated by a muscular 'enemy' than one with a fluffy face but cavemen weren't known for their brains )

[9999hp]

beards on a whole make you more attractive cause you see less, the power of mystery. Though I don't agree with your scale, and there may be some people that do not look as attractive, but I'd say that would have to do more with how the shape of the beard compliments the general shape of their person.

[Leslieann]

Seriously though, I would assume just like in males there's going to be a wide range of hairiness across females.  It seems likely that those who chose to stop shaving (or whatever) are going to be the hairiest examples as they would be the ones 'wasting' most time doing it, and this creates the illusion that all females are hairy.  I may be completely wrong with this as I only know one female who stopped shaving and she was already my ex at the time and I've not seen her since.  She did have dark hair and dark haired males are often hairier so my logic holds up, I think?

Darker hair tends to show more, but it's more of a hormone thing,  women with more testosterone tend to have more body hair and less head hair (same for men) this also tends to effect how horny you are. Birth control pills can alter this chemistry and cause it, but again, it's hormonal.

My experience has been that the ones who are really hairy do not stop doing it, they were probably ostracized in school for it. The ones who stop for more casual reasons tend to be average or even less hairy than normal and often think they can get away with it without being too extreme.

[xtrafrood]

I tell ya, if I could make it through the beard itch (curly) I would indeed have a very dapper beard. My face could use some extra dapper.

[rowdy]

I've been told that my beard makes me look older.  Dunno if that is a good thing or not.  I guess I can shave it off to make myself instaly look younger, but then I'd lose the free sun protection.

[tp4tissue]

I've been told that my beard makes me look older.  Dunno if that is a good thing or not.  I guess I can shave it off to make myself instaly look younger, but then I'd lose the free sun protection.

Outside = dangerous

Outside = bad

Tp4, never outside.

Tp4 = Safe

Tp4 = watches some dude on youtube review microwave meals

Life's good.

Tp4 = complete

[xtrafrood]

I've been told that my beard makes me look older.  Dunno if that is a good thing or not.  I guess I can shave it off to make myself instaly look younger, but then I'd lose the free sun protection.

Outside = dangerous

Outside = bad

Tp4, never outside.

Tp4 = Safe

Tp4 = watches some dude on youtube review microwave meals

Life's good.

Tp4 = complete

I agree, brutalmoose's microwave meal videos are top notch.

[Kavik]

I naturally do this myself. When I weight more and thus my face is rounder, I shave much less often (once every 4-8 weeks) to cover up my non-masculine baby face. When I am thin, I shave more frequently because my cheekbones and jaw are more defined.

I am in the camp of either having a beard or not having a beard. No variation inbetween looks good (goatee, mustache, side burns). The beard should be thick but not long and not "shaped" (i.e. don't shave the cheeks and neck). If there's not enough hair for it to connect from ear to ear, then just stay clean shaven. There is a slight exception on the mustache for a select few men, but they must have long upper lips and be over the age of 40. Notable exceptions include Tom Selleck, Burt Reynolds, and Eric Braeden.

[rowdy]

I've been told that my beard makes me look older.  Dunno if that is a good thing or not.  I guess I can shave it off to make myself instaly look younger, but then I'd lose the free sun protection.

Outside = dangerous

Outside = bad

Tp4, never outside.

Tp4 = Safe

Tp4 = watches some dude on youtube review microwave meals

Life's good.

Tp4 = complete

Until the electricity fails.

Therefore, tp4 is mains-powered.

[tp4tissue]

Until the electricity fails.

Therefore, tp4 is mains-powered.

Tp4 owns many Generators. !!

[rowdy]

Until the electricity fails.

Therefore, tp4 is mains-powered.

Tp4 owns many Generators. !!

tp4 would have to go outside to get fuel for generators.

[tp4tissue]

tp4 would have to go outside to get fuel for generators.

Fuel Pod.. !!

[rowdy]

tp4 would have to go outside to get fuel for generators.

Fuel Pod.. !!

tp4 can haz fuel pod socket in lower rear anatomy?

[tp4tissue]

tp4 can haz fuel pod socket in lower rear anatomy?

Fuel Pod type: R++

However, Prefer type: B for balance.

[rowdy]

tp4 can haz fuel pod socket in lower rear anatomy?

Fuel Pod type: R++

However, Prefer type: B for balance.

Yes, balance wouldn't be the same if it started with a different letter.

Like a V, for instance.  You wouldn't get far with valance.  Although you could use a valance to conceal your fuel pods.  And other things.

Do people still hide their other things?  With society what it is today, I wouldn't dare to ask.  Maybe people are going around these days with their other things on display.  I try not to look.  It is safer that way.

[tp4tissue]

Do people still hide their other things?  With society what it is today, I wouldn't dare to ask.  Maybe people are going around these days with their other things on display.  I try not to look.  It is safer that way.

Precisely why Tp4 stays firmly indoors..

It all comes down to inside good, outside = stranger danger. !!

[rowdy]

Do people still hide their other things?  With society what it is today, I wouldn't dare to ask.  Maybe people are going around these days with their other things on display.  I try not to look.  It is safer that way.

Precisely why Tp4 stays firmly indoors..

It all comes down to inside good, outside = stranger danger. !!

As a child you were constantly taught not to talk to strangers, but as an adult you have to talk to strangers to get things done.

[tp4tissue]

As a child you were constantly taught not to talk to strangers, but as an adult you have to talk to strangers to get things done.

No, Tp4 was thoroughly educated to be outgoing, amiable, and well socialized.

However, that training is merely the facade one must wear to face the world.

Internally, I am the Tp4 as professed on Gekha.. !!

[fohat.digs]

time for this

[rowdy]

time for this

I always get a smile out of that

[tp4tissue]

time for this

I always get a smile out of that

Tp4 engages Attractive Mode !!

[Olumin]

Left: Hitler                                                      Right: Some German politician

[tp4tissue]

Left: Hitler                                                      Right: Some German politician

Hahahahahahahaahahahahahaha