Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[tp4tissue]

This is pretty daunting for TV shoppers.

In entry lvl LCDs which are advertised as Quantum dot, they have used different arrangements of 1 to 2 dots of the 3 NOT being QD.

For example, Tcl's new qm6k, it doesn't have a QD red, it's KSF red.

Kind of a big deal. Notice the drop in color purity in the second image.

[noisyturtle]

My PSU burned out last night, apparently. Tower PC won't power on today, hopefully it didn't fry anything else.
It's an excuse to upgrade my PSU and case I suppose. More **** I need, but cannot really afford at the moment 

[tp4tissue]

Get a good one or the Gpu coil whine will be bad.

[noisyturtle]

Well, shiver me daisies. My ***** is fried.
PSU did something uncalled for and burnt out the mobo on my main rig in some sick suicide pact. I seriously cannot afford an  all-new PC now, so I may as damn well get a new mobo, alongside a psu (maybe some other sweet **** too). CPU, GPU, RAM all seem fine (at least they are recognized working in a system that cannot run them)
Man life is relentless. I thought I had myself a workhorse. Been good to me for 13 years, yessir.
but SHE CAN BE REBUILT... STRONGER, AND (ever-so) slightly FASTER THAN BEFORE!

I will make her whole again. Better even!

[noisyturtle]

hold me hostage to upgrade?1!? **** YOU! IVY BRIDGE IS STILL RELEVANT!

gonna make this work, my 'lil Frakenstien...

[tp4tissue]

If you're hardline-ing on Ivy,  delid the chip, then you can push 4.8ghz easily. Get 2x8gb 2400mhz ram because ivy can support it.

Get liquid metal for between the die and IHS. Regular paste between the ihs and heatsink

You don't need a new heatsink, you can get away with a cheap single tower after delid it will be fine.

Tune fan curve with "Fan Control" app, great app.



Ivy is good for everything outside of pr0-g4m3r 600fps, and the modern games that are really badly designed that chews up cpu, helldivers, halo infinite.

But without 4.8ghz, it's going to struggle, both on memory bandwidth and raw ipc.



Tp4 WOULD HESITATE to rescue an IVY, because with all the parts involved, You can buy, as difficult and unattractive a proposition, an AM4 build.  Used 5700x can go for decent cheap.


Of course TP4 is highly AGAINST AM4,  You should spend $1500 to get an AM5, amd 7700 (nonx, refurb cpu, $160)+9070xt build.

$160cpu
$730 9070xt
$150 B650 mobo
$80ram
$80psu
$40heatsink

~$1240 + old case + old fans

~$1500 if you want xpensive fans/case/rgb/cable extensions

[tp4tissue]

Microcenter 7700x+b650+32gb ram bundle for $350 is back .

[noisyturtle]

And the rebuild has begun. My goal is to have my tower at least running by the middle of next week. I'm still waiting on my new PSU to arrive in the post, but I've scrounged up a few local deal parts for fantastic prices.
Here's my current system:

EVGA RTX 2070 SUPER FTW3 Ultra --> RTX 3080 (mobo can run 4k series but the cpu bottleneck wouldn't be worth it)
i7 3770K oc'd 4.2GHz --> Same
P8P67 REV 3.1 - Rev.09.B3 --> ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 (improved socket, comparability, and all-around bus speeds)
32 GB DDR3 @ 1067MHz --> trying to find 32Gb 2133/2400 sticks for cheap
650w PSU --> 850W
and finally, a new case. The Fractal Define 7 is top of my list, but expensive. Plan on keeping the case and GPU for my next build anyway. Anyone have a full-tower ATX they would sell for cheap??

This will build will be the theoretical limit of what Ivy Bridge is capable of, and I wanna complete the build just for the sake of that. Not because I should, but because I can.

I got a used Sabertooth mobo for $60, and Noctua D15S BRAND NEW for $70 already with the PSU on the way

NOCTUA ON THAT THANG 

[tp4tissue]

There are no 32gb 2400 sticks. There's only 2x8gb 2400. the 3770 wouldn't be able to run 4 sticks at remotely close to 2400mhz. probably 1866 tops.

The 3770k oc at 4.2 is too low.

If you don't want to delid, you can actually just Copy a conservative voltage setting for 4.8ghz from the internet for an Asus board of that generation.

Just don't test it in Load, just play games, it shouldn't go over temp.   You just can't fully test stability without delid, but it doesn't really matter since it won't hit that in normal games, and you don't really care about absolute stability for games anyway.


In anycase,  This is not a great way to spend money.


Because for that amount, you're already more than half way into a brand new AM5 system.

Absolute cheapest am5, $80 mobo, $150cpu, $50 ram,   And this will run around 4x-6x what 3770k would do @ 4.8ghz.

[noisyturtle]

The z77 socket does enable the 3770k to run up to 2400mhz, and they do exist in 32gb 4x8Gb packs, and the z77 is the only socket that allows the cpu to do that. Even then, I think I'll need to get some specific bios drivers.
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/182/1532501792/F3-2400C11Q-32GSR
https://www.gskill.com/product/165/173/1532071653/F3-2400C10Q-32GTX

Like I said, this is mainly for fun to build the ultimate 3770k build that pushes everything into bottlenecking.
The price difference between doing this fun lil project and doing a total new build is like $600-700 vs $2000-2400
and I plan on upcycling the GPU, PSU, and case to my future build which will almost certinally be a Nova Lake build in about 2 years time.

the z77 is a very interesting board allowing some advanced parts to be grafted onto my Frankenstein's Monster

[tp4tissue]

Guaranteed you won't be able to run 4x8gb sticks at 2400mhz.  it will run 1866 tops, with relaxed timings, and for that you'd have to push the IMC voltage pretty high, and you lose FPS, on an already lower IPC Cpu.  2400mhz will top out at 2 sticks.

Tp4 is not judging how NT may be justifying this,  but it is resolutely against economic sense.

AM5 is faster, and "Not expensive," if you go the the low power route.

And since enough of the old stuff was already broken, the Performance to Power ratio high lean towards AM5.

It's not $600-700 if you don't upgrade the GPU.

$80 am5 mobo, $150 7700 used, $50 5600mhz ddr5 ram, cheap $20 thermalright cooler, more than adequate + $50 power supply,

It's only 80+150+50+20+50, $350 for an entry lvl am5.   4x the performance minimum (cpu bound scenarios).

If you want the GPU 9070xt or 5070ti, add $730 to $830. You're only at $1080 to $1180



If you MUST HAVE NOSTALGIA,  well, it is what it is. Tp4 not judging. Just being clear about the numbers.

[tp4tissue]

The 3770k maxed out at 4.8ghz is about 70% of a 2700x on this graph. Or, 40% of a 9800x3d.

Whereas for roughly the same cost, a 7700 used cpu will be 92-95% w/PBO boost as fast as a 9800x3d at 1440p

"Retro nostalgia". That's fine. But the math is as stated.

[tp4tissue]

HDMI 2.2    96gbit

This should do , 4K 288hz uncompressed w/ timing adjustment.

That's pretty exciting, although, GPUs haven't gotten fast enough to really even max out 4K fidelity. Shading that many pixels is already too expensive to consistently hit 60hz.

The clipping point is probably 100x the gpu power we have now. At which point, it would be close to movie quality cgi.

Wonder how long they can make these cables and how fragile they would be.

Those 80gbit dp 2.0 cables pretty much only work ok at 3 feet.


In the end, will we really reach that point before burning out the planet with 1Kilowatt gaming pcs.

[phinix]

I use i3 12100 with 9070XT gaming in 4K - I never seen reason why I should go for more expensive CPU.

[tp4tissue]

I use i3 12100 with 9070XT gaming in 4K - I never seen reason why I should go for more expensive CPU.

It depends on the game and resolution, but it would be 15% to 45% lower fps vs 9800x3d.

[phinix]

I use i3 12100 with 9070XT gaming in 4K - I never seen reason why I should go for more expensive CPU.

It depends on the game and resolution, but it would be 15% to 45% lower fps vs 9800x3d.

Its £420 in UK! NUTS!!!
My i3 for £60 give me 70fps in 4K with max details with 9070XT, any game I pick. Nobody can convince me to buy more expensive cpu.

[tp4tissue]

I use i3 12100 with 9070XT gaming in 4K - I never seen reason why I should go for more expensive CPU.

It depends on the game and resolution, but it would be 15% to 45% lower fps vs 9800x3d.

Its £420 in UK! NUTS!!!
My i3 for £60 give me 70fps in 4K with max details with 9070XT, any game I pick. Nobody can convince me to buy more expensive cpu.

Guys you don't have to buy 9800x3d.

Tp4 would get, 7700 (used) $150-170, $150 AM5 board, $70 ddr6000 cl28 ram. This is 92-99% as fast as 9800x3d in GPU-Bound scenarios.

[tp4tissue]

AI cheats in sonic all star racing transformed.

Tp4's so mad. Mean, it's normal for kart games, but /grinds teeth.

Playing Sonic, fastest character + ALL Star pickup, AI is still faster on straights. what is this bbbsssss🎻

[noisyturtle]

ugh, everyone I have told my 3770K ultimate build dream to has told me it is stupid and a waste of money 
Well, I needed the PSU and new mobo anyway, and I'll just replace the case fans and delid the cpu and call it a day. Anything else beyond just getting my tower working again is needless, especially running such an old cpu.

As much as I'd love a 3080, it just doesn't make sense to drop $400 on something that would be suffocated in that build when my 2070 S does a fine job for now

maaaan, being poor really sucks. You'd think I'd be used to it by now. I just don't understand how everyone else does it? I did all the right things people say you need to do to be successful in life, and still fail at every attempt to improve my finances. Like my brain is broken or something.

[tp4tissue]

You do it for the RETRO.  It makes 0 monetary sense otherwise.

People build $2000 socket 939s.  $2000 on neogeo.

[noisyturtle]

yes, I also own a Neo Geo AES

[tp4tissue]

Zen 6 rum0rs. + 30-40%

Too good to be true. But honestly, even for esp0art, do you need THATTTT many frames?


If someone can't do what need do @ 480hz oled, 480fps, is 1000fps gon' make um' do it?

[Sniping]

Zen 6 rum0rs. + 30-40%

Too good to be true. But honestly, even for esp0art, do you need THATTTT many frames?


If someone can't do what need do @ 480hz oled, 480fps, is 1000fps gon' make um' do it?

From the industry standpoint I feel that they basically try to sell you whatever fancy tech they can produce to make another sale or to make your current gen latest tech into last gen tech. They do say the difference is noticeable when you double your frame rate, so like 60 to 120, 120 to 240 etc. not that it'll make a difference to anyone's performance

[tp4tissue]

Something like 10,000 fps is noticeable at high pan rates, but since the "game" is not built around this "mechanic", it's mostly a bit wasteful.

[tp4tissue]

People using ultrawides for internet.

's just not right, unusuable.  It's almost like going back to those 21" 5:4 lcds.

[noisyturtle]

I'm getting very hyped for Nova Lake.
52 Cores baybee!
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-nova-lake-specs-leaked-up-to-52-cores-and-150w-of-tdp-for-intels-amd-zen-6-rival

[phinix]

I'm getting very hyped for Nova Lake.
52 Cores baybee!
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-nova-lake-specs-leaked-up-to-52-cores-and-150w-of-tdp-for-intels-amd-zen-6-rival

what do ou need 52 cores for?

[tp4tissue]

I'm actually more optimistic than the Intel doomers, as the IPC isn't that bad, if their x3d thing works at all, I think 30-40% from 285k is easily cover-able.

I don't think that will catch AMD's more mature design, but it should come within 20%.

As a stock, is that enough, no because they got all these expensive factories that aren't utilized.

[tp4tissue]

These articles claiming switch lcd 100x slower than oled. That's impossible, oled is not that fast.

Oleds go down to 5ms with 144hz,  2ms at 360hz, 1.5ish at 480hz.

Switch lcd is only 36-45ms.

[tp4tissue]

Why did they ever advertise oled as infinity:1 contrast ratio.  Now everyone thinks that, when it's simply not possible.

They need to qualify the various viewing conditions.

Pixel on vs pixel off, infinity:1 under ansi checker box
Pixel on vs pixel off, real world 50% fill
Pixel on vs pixel off, in room reflection w/ refraction
Pixel on vs pixel off, in room reflection w/o refraction
Pixel on vs pixel off, w/ glass w/o glass

Subpixel stack refraction
Subpixel leakage

Under most conditions, it's not infinity:1

[tp4tissue]

Wifi 7, honestly if it's doing 2ish gigabit, that's nearly as much as you'd need for HDD storage without clusters.

[tp4tissue]

4K gamestick what a piece of crap. Overheats, game freezes. They sell these things for $40, but you'd need another $25 in parts to "fix" it.

[Leslieann]

I'm actually more optimistic than the Intel doomers, as the IPC isn't that bad, if their x3d thing works at all, I think 30-40% from 285k is easily cover-able.

Rumors are starting to circulate that new Intel is also degrading.
Doesn't matter how good if it doesn't last 2 years.

I'm getting very hyped for Nova Lake.
52 Cores baybee!
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-nova-lake-specs-leaked-up-to-52-cores-and-150w-of-tdp-for-intels-amd-zen-6-rival

what do ou need 52 cores for?

Yep
Only under very limited circumstances can you actually take advantage of so many cores, most stuff you will do on a desktop simply can't multi-process that well (and never will without major technological leap) meaning the only other use is multiple process and your system only has so many of those running at once, most of which are very small and sit idle 99% of the time. Much more than a dozen and you start having idle cores and/or cycling loads around between them.

[tp4tissue]

I'm actually more optimistic than the Intel doomers, as the IPC isn't that bad, if their x3d thing works at all, I think 30-40% from 285k is easily cover-able.

Rumors are starting to circulate that new Intel is also degrading.
Doesn't matter how good if it doesn't last 2 years.

This is the problem with radical new designs and process changes in a short amount of time.

They really should slow down, FOCUS.

Honestly they should just stop making any TSMC CPUs, unless they are selling off their own fabs.

It doesn't make any economic sense to be powering up Taiwan to continuously kill American process competitiveness.


That is just really stupid.

[phinix]

Guys, what do you think - what nvidia going to make with next 60xx series?
Is it going to be bull**** again, or are we gonna get a proper performance increase from 50xx series? Proper I mean like 40-50% increase, not bull 10-15%.
Am I correct saying that they cannot do die shrink anymore?

[Leslieann]

Guys, what do you think - what nvidia going to make with next 60xx series?
Is it going to be bull**** again, or are we gonna get a proper performance increase from 50xx series? Proper I mean like 40-50% increase, not bull 10-15%.
Am I correct saying that they cannot do die shrink anymore?

Moore's law is dead, stop expecting those same increases.

Also. Nvidia has learned they can eek out minimalistic updates and people will still buy it so as long as AMD is behind they will only offer minimalist updates from now on unless they have some major breakthrough. Worse still we're the backup, they only give us leftovers from whatever industry is the new thing such as crypto or A.I.

[tp4tissue]

We could expect those increases if it weren't for AI buying up all the chips.

The other end of this is, it's a frivolous territory of electricity use just to play video-games.

[tp4tissue]

Ps5 liquid metal failures.

Tp4 can confirm that liquid metal actually does have dry spots over time.

This happens quite frequently on hacky diy liquid metal laptops where they didn't galvanize the copper.

It also happens on desktop with the ihs + delid.  It's just a matter of time, this stuff doesn't last forever. 2 years TOP. swap it out people.

[tp4tissue]

Zen 6 7-ghz rumors.  It's insanity, absolute insanity, nearly pees pants.