Told ya so, 100C is no fly..

[tp4tissue]

QUOTE: official INTEL Overclocking Laboratory_

:::: At home, the lab engineers consider a load temperature above 80C to be a red alert, meaning that's the no-fly zone, but temps that remain steady in the mid-70’s are considered safe. The team also strongly recommends using adaptive voltage targets for overclocking and leaving C-States enabled. Not to mention using AVX offsets to keep temperatures in check during AVX-heavy workloads. ::::


In other words, the 100C on gaming laptops + thin builds, cause rapid degradation

Liquid metal is mandatory for high-power Mobile longevity.

[SBJ]

I don't think that's a surprise to a lot of people actually.
I always try to keep my hardware below 80. My 8700k does gets toasty once in a while though if a game can handle all 6 cores.

[tp4tissue]

I don't think that's a surprise to a lot of people actually.
I always try to keep my hardware below 80. My 8700k does gets toasty once in a while though if a game can handle all 6 cores.

For desktops it's no surprise, but people have been mis-reporting for years that 100C on modern laptops is OK.

It's OK only in the sense, that they've built the deterioration into the microcode such that it can sustain the very low  all core turbo by end of life.

But overall, current laptop thermal design is detrimental to the chip.  Not to mention the effect of elevated thermal wear to surrounding components.

[SBJ]

I don't think that's a surprise to a lot of people actually.
I always try to keep my hardware below 80. My 8700k does gets toasty once in a while though if a game can handle all 6 cores.

For desktops it's no surprise, but people have been mis-reporting for years that 100C on modern laptops is OK.
 

Wow really? That's kind of crazy to me.
How's that liquid metal treating you then?

[noisyturtle]

I feel like such an idiot every time I have to look up what c is in f

So that's over 210f? That doesn't sound healthy for a modern system.

[SBJ]

I feel like such an idiot every time I have to look up what c is in f

So that's over 210f? That doesn't sound healthy for a modern system.

Well 100C is pretty easy, it's boiling point of water.

[Rob27shred]

Yeah I've been trying to tell people that for years. Unfortunately people misunderstand that T-junction temps are not just the upper limit, but the temp limit at which the chip is about to give up the ghost & the CPU will shut itself down if T-junction max is held for any period of time. Also that throttling is a last ditch attempt from your chip to save itself, not a protection mechanism that is meant to be used regularly.

[Sintpinty]

Try cooking some eggs on it B)

[Rob27shred]

Try cooking some eggs on it B)

[tp4tissue]

Wow really? That's kind of crazy to me.
How's that liquid metal treating you then?

They use dat conductonaut @ intel overclocking labz.

Tp4 prefers Liquid Ultra for laptops, cuz it's gooeyer, less dripy

Peak temp goes from 100C to 78C w/ liquid metal to 68 C w LM+ Undervolt

[1391401]

liquid metal? is tp linus

[tp4tissue]

liquid metal? is tp linus

Unlike linus, Tp would never Shill..

[Sintpinty]

Try cooking some eggs on it B)

thamks

[Natalia259]

you may keep you laptop above cooling fan, this will lower down the cpu temperature.

[Steezus]

I've had an Aorus x5 for the past 5 years. It comes with 2x 965m GPUs, 2 SSDs in raid 0, 1tb HDD, 3k resolution screen, and a desktop grade CPU which I forget the exact model. It's all compacted in a laptop that is less than an inch thick so the only downside is a 3 hour battery life. From the start I overclocked it slightly and used as a portable desktop. Sure it got hot as hell exceeding 90+ for the most part after my fan guards become pretty restricted with dust.  Yet I've never had an issue at all with the laptop. I honestly believe that all you're tinkering to achieve lower temps and maximize longevity is utterly worthless unless you're trying to make this laptop last you several decades. As long as Moore's Law still holds true for the most part then I see myself upgrading at least once every 5 years.

[yui]

For desktops it's no surprise, but people have been mis-reporting for years that 100C on modern laptops is OK.

It's OK only in the sense, that they've built the deterioration into the microcode such that it can sustain the very low  all core turbo by end of life.

But overall, current laptop thermal design is detrimental to the chip.  Not to mention the effect of elevated thermal wear to surrounding components.

I may be wrong but i do remember intel listing some of their laptop chip as being good to hit  105°C on the ark, so intel might actually be to blame (https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/71459/intel-core-i7-3630qm-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-40-ghz.html is the cpu in my old laptop and it did go high that the cpu and mobo fried, twice)

[tp4tissue]

I've had an Aorus x5 for the past 5 years. It comes with 2x 965m GPUs, 2 SSDs in raid 0, 1tb HDD, 3k resolution screen, and a desktop grade CPU which I forget the exact model. It's all compacted in a laptop that is less than an inch thick so the only downside is a 3 hour battery life. From the start I overclocked it slightly and used as a portable desktop. Sure it got hot as hell exceeding 90+ for the most part after my fan guards become pretty restricted with dust.  Yet I've never had an issue at all with the laptop.

Again,  degradation is built in to the microcode, that's why defaults are so low. For whatever reason, you haven't yet experienced problems, or maybe you have, but if it caused slight game glitches, how would you even know that the thermal caused it, if the game doesn't hard lock ?

You're not arguing with Tp4,   This is INTEL Overclocking Laboratory's engineering number.

80C + is wrong PERIOD.

[Steezus]

I've had an Aorus x5 for the past 5 years. It comes with 2x 965m GPUs, 2 SSDs in raid 0, 1tb HDD, 3k resolution screen, and a desktop grade CPU which I forget the exact model. It's all compacted in a laptop that is less than an inch thick so the only downside is a 3 hour battery life. From the start I overclocked it slightly and used as a portable desktop. Sure it got hot as hell exceeding 90+ for the most part after my fan guards become pretty restricted with dust.  Yet I've never had an issue at all with the laptop.

Again,  degradation is built in to the microcode, that's why defaults are so low. For whatever reason, you haven't yet experienced problems, or maybe you have, but if it caused slight game glitches, how would you even know that the thermal caused it, if the game doesn't hard lock ?

You're not arguing with Tp4,   This is INTEL Overclocking Laboratory's engineering number.

80C + is wrong PERIOD.

How can you conclude that the degradation is built into the micro code? Planned obsolescence is illegal in a lot of countries so I do not see how Intel would even openly admit to it if it were the case. It seems like pure speculation but I could be completely wrong. Apple was caught doing it with their phones. Even taking the degradation into account, I still believe the laptop will still outlast its usefulness. Five years down the road the current flagship laptops will be expensive paperweights compared to modern releases. It just seems a bit pointless to waste any time worrying about your thermals.

[Leslieann]

QUOTE: official INTEL Overclocking Laboratory_

I lost all faith in Intel regarding thermals when researchers looked into why the refreshed Macbook Pro was bouncing off the thermal limiter.
This was fixed with drivers, at least for MacOs (not Boot Camp), but it did get people looking into their practices.

Basically turbo and TDP numbers are just for marketing and behind the scenes these ratings are a massive dumpster fire.
Intel really only plans on you slamming 100% on a single core at max speed for a couple seconds before the whole thing thermal throttles. This is why so many low end laptops run warm and fans are always screaming when you do almost anything, they basically built it to bare minimum TDP standards set by Intel, which were already almost criminally low.

[Leslieann]

you may keep you laptop above cooling fan, this will lower down the cpu temperature.

BEWARE!!!
Not all laptops have the same airflow direction.
Laptops are engineered for a specific pattern of air flow to cool everything, not just the cpu, I've seen a few cooked to death because air flow was rerouted. Also, this can deter people from fixing the real source of a problem such as a clogged heat sink, which will clog even faster with a bigger fan, or it can mask other issues such as bad thermal compound, failing fan, etc... All of which can cause more damage.

I NEVER recommend laptop coolers, propping it up is okay, OEM coolers are fine, but buying a generic one is just going to lead to problems.

It just seems a bit pointless to waste any time worrying about your thermals.

You absolutely should monitor thermals, it's the simplest way to monitor how it's doing.
Fans fail, heat sinks get clogged (got pets?), pumps fail, thermal paste fails or was applied wrong at the factory and sometimes the company just designs a lemon.

Then again, I've seen other stupid design decisions kill laptops more than thermals lately, particularly the glued hinges on at least 2 major brand's 2in1 laptops.

[Steezus]

you may keep you laptop above cooling fan, this will lower down the cpu temperature.

BEWARE!!!
Not all laptops have the same airflow direction.
Laptops are engineered for a specific pattern of air flow to cool everything, not just the cpu, I've seen a few cooked to death because air flow was rerouted. Also, this can deter people from fixing the real source of a problem such as a clogged heat sink, which will clog even faster with a bigger fan, or it can mask other issues such as bad thermal compound, failing fan, etc... All of which can cause more damage.

I NEVER recommend laptop coolers, propping it up is okay, OEM coolers are fine, but buying a generic one is just going to lead to problems.

It just seems a bit pointless to waste any time worrying about your thermals.

You absolutely should monitor thermals, it's the simplest way to monitor how it's doing.
Fans fail, heat sinks get clogged (got pets?), pumps fail, thermal paste fails or was applied wrong at the factory and sometimes the company just designs a lemon.

Then again, I've seen other stupid design decisions kill laptops more than thermals lately, particularly the glued hinges on at least 2 major brand's 2in1 laptops.

I don't disagree in regards to monitoring thermals. I'm referring to tp4 using liquid metal and underclocking his laptop to achieve lower temps. I've never had a laptop struggle as long as it has been placed on a proper surface that provides enough airflow. There are also safety measures in place for the unit to power down once a maximum temp is reached. So if a fan or pump were to fail and the user never looked at thermals there would still be preventative measures put in place.

[tp4tissue]

QUOTE: official INTEL Overclocking Laboratory_

I lost all faith in Intel regarding thermals when researchers looked into why the refreshed Macbook Pro was bouncing off the thermal limiter.
This was fixed with drivers, at least for MacOs (not Boot Camp), but it did get people looking into their practices.

Basically turbo and TDP numbers are just for marketing and behind the scenes these ratings are a massive dumpster fire.
Intel really only plans on you slamming 100% on a single core at max speed for a couple seconds before the whole thing thermal throttles. This is why so many low end laptops run warm and fans are always screaming when you do almost anything, they basically built it to bare minimum TDP standards set by Intel, which were already almost criminally low.

Intel is big,  it's like saying , America,  but then there's California, which is not really america.

That's what Intel Overclocking labs is.

As for TDP, there are different brackets for sustained performance, and boost performance.  It then falls to the builder to build their cooling around it.

They don't stipulate how much dissipation the builder ultimately chooses, because there are out of bound situations where their processors will be used and will (survive), but is bad for the chips, such as thin build laptops.

If the builder then chooses to save 3 ounces of copper, then that's on them.

[tp4tissue]

I don't disagree in regards to monitoring thermals. I'm referring to tp4 using liquid metal and underclocking his laptop to achieve lower temps. I've never had a laptop struggle as long as it has been placed on a proper surface that provides enough airflow. There are also safety measures in place for the unit to power down once a maximum temp is reached. So if a fan or pump were to fail and the user never looked at thermals there would still be preventative measures put in place.

In most cases, thermal pads make a 3-5 C difference, that is not much of a rescue when the processor is doing 90-100 +.

It will certainly never get down to anywhere near 80s without Liquid Metal.

Then even WITH liquid metal, you need undervolt to get below.  Note undervolt is diff from underclock.  You need to update your terminology because you're confounding many different effects.

Building degradation into the microcode is also NOT planned obsolescence,  it's the same as an engine adjusting valve timings as a car ages.

As for preventative pumps,  The cpu will thermal/ power throttle but the Accelerated wear happens at 80+ .  For longevity <=80 is a hard ceiling, Intel said so, take it up with intel.

Regarding 5 years of service, that's just your opinion. Many people in Jpn use 10 yr old laptops and computers, and they enjoy them like record players, they still use fax machines.

[Leslieann]

  but then there's California, which is not really america.

Way to dismiss about 1/7th the population and GDP.

[fanpeople]

liquid metal? is tp linus

Unlike linus, Tp would never Shill..

Is no one going to address this?

[chyros]

  but then there's California, which is not really america.

Way to dismiss about 1/7th the population and GDP.

It's true though, even the US itself thinks so too. California has by far the least voting power per person .

[Steezus]

I don't disagree in regards to monitoring thermals. I'm referring to tp4 using liquid metal and underclocking his laptop to achieve lower temps. I've never had a laptop struggle as long as it has been placed on a proper surface that provides enough airflow. There are also safety measures in place for the unit to power down once a maximum temp is reached. So if a fan or pump were to fail and the user never looked at thermals there would still be preventative measures put in place.

In most cases, thermal pads make a 3-5 C difference, that is not much of a rescue when the processor is doing 90-100 +.

It will certainly never get down to anywhere near 80s without Liquid Metal.

Then even WITH liquid metal, you need undervolt to get below.  Note undervolt is diff from underclock.  You need to update your terminology because you're confounding many different effects.

Building degradation into the microcode is also NOT planned obsolescence,  it's the same as an engine adjusting valve timings as a car ages.

As for preventative pumps,  The cpu will thermal/ power throttle but the Accelerated wear happens at 80+ .  For longevity <=80 is a hard ceiling, Intel said so, take it up with intel.

Regarding 5 years of service, that's just your opinion. Many people in Jpn use 10 yr old laptops and computers, and they enjoy them like record players, they still use fax machines.

I could agree with your efforts if you did not value your time. If you spend 8 hours to achieve these lower thermals then that time could be spent towards earning a paycheck and just outright buying a new laptop when the time comes. Unless you say that it is all for fun with the positive side effect of increasing longevity for your laptop. If it's for fun then that's all that matters at this point. If all this effort extends the lifespan of my laptop from 5 years to now 6 years then in my personal opinion it is just a complete waste of time. One day's worth of work and you could own a brand new Chromebook. I could also argue that if you spend one days worth of a paycheck and invested that for the next 5 years then that would be far more beneficial than the 8 hours wasted to achieve lower thermals. That's if you do not do this for any enjoyment purposes and solely for the benefits.

[tp4tissue]

I could agree with your efforts if you did not value your time. If you spend 8 hours to achieve these lower thermals then that time could be spent towards earning a paycheck and just outright buying a new laptop when the time comes. Unless you say that it is all for fun with the positive side effect of increasing longevity for your laptop. If it's for fun then that's all that matters at this point. If all this effort extends the lifespan of my laptop from 5 years to now 6 years then in my personal opinion it is just a complete waste of time. One day's worth of work and you could own a brand new Chromebook. I could also argue that if you spend one days worth of a paycheck and invested that for the next 5 years then that would be far more beneficial than the 8 hours wasted to achieve lower thermals. That's if you do not do this for any enjoyment purposes and solely for the benefits.

At $65 an hour, that's ~$48 after tax, 8 hours, $384 a day.
@ $40, $240 a day

ANY laptop that you'd buy for $384 down to $240 is obsolete the moment you buy it.

So, NO, it's impossible to number out of the argument.

Liquid metal + Undervolt is always a value improvement.

Even if you consider the best mutual fund's performance, what 10-20% over 5 years, you're still no where close to a reasonably fast laptop

[Steezus]

I could agree with your efforts if you did not value your time. If you spend 8 hours to achieve these lower thermals then that time could be spent towards earning a paycheck and just outright buying a new laptop when the time comes. Unless you say that it is all for fun with the positive side effect of increasing longevity for your laptop. If it's for fun then that's all that matters at this point. If all this effort extends the lifespan of my laptop from 5 years to now 6 years then in my personal opinion it is just a complete waste of time. One day's worth of work and you could own a brand new Chromebook. I could also argue that if you spend one days worth of a paycheck and invested that for the next 5 years then that would be far more beneficial than the 8 hours wasted to achieve lower thermals. That's if you do not do this for any enjoyment purposes and solely for the benefits.

At $65 an hour, that's ~$48 after tax, 8 hours, $384 a day.
@ $40, $240 a day

ANY laptop that you buy for $384 down to $240 is obsolete the moment you buy it.

So, NO, it's impossible to number out of the argument.

Might I add, if anyone is this bad at numbers, they'll never earn $65 (short of very rough labor).

Liquid metal + Undervolt is always a value improvement.

Even if you consider the best mutual fund's performance, what 10-20% over 5 years, you're still no where close to a reasonably fast laptop

With an average return rate of 9% in long term growth and including dividends, you'll be well over $600 when 5 years comes around. That's a relatively low estimate too compared to a lot of mutual funds' track records the past decade. I never said that it would be enough to purchase an expensive laptop. I'm just saying that the extended lifespan gained from your efforts does not seem to outweigh the benefits compared to spending the time to work and reinvest the money if that was all that was focused on. You could also argue that if spending 8 hours resulted in extending the life expectancy by a year then you could have that entire extra year to save up money to purchase a new laptop. As I said, if this is something that you just simply enjoy doing and tinkering around with then that's worth every minute spent. It's not like I am being efficient with my time being spent on the forums but it is something I enjoy.

Edit: To add from your previous statement regarding people in Japan using 10+ year old computers. If that is the case then they obviously don't care about performance and would not upgrade within a 5-year time span. A Chromebook would do just fine in that case and people would obviously not care about their thermals if they show no interest in performance. The only way you could justify using liquid metal is for higher-end laptops. If you're into the higher-end models then you obviously care about performance. If that is the case, and if Moore's Law still holds true, then you are more than likely going to want a laptop around the 5-6 year mark.

[tp4tissue]

With an average return rate of 9% in long term growth and including dividends, you'll be well over $600 when 5 years comes around. That's a relatively low estimate too compared to a lot of mutual funds' track records the past decade. I never said that it would be enough to purchase an expensive laptop.

That's pure speculation and luck,  Funds are notoriously unreliable, come and go, and survive by luck.  They cripple all the time, and new ones hit the boards.

If a person can barely figure out how to get good value on a laptop,  How is he suppose to pick a mutual fund.

At best an index fund, even then if they pick the wrong sector for that year, they could barely make inflation.

Even to get  that aloof 9% return + dividends, that's not something anyone can just figure out, and it's NOT a sure thing.

No one making $15-30 are going to be terribly adept in these matters, and they represent the majority market for laptop machines.

Argument against a couple hour investment into Liquid metal are thoroughly invalid, baseless.

It's also preposterous to calculate time value this way, because salary is not paid 24/7.

[Steezus]

With an average return rate of 9% in long term growth and including dividends, you'll be well over $600 when 5 years comes around. That's a relatively low estimate too compared to a lot of mutual funds' track records the past decade. I never said that it would be enough to purchase an expensive laptop.

That's pure speculation and luck,  Funds are notoriously unreliable, come and go, and survive by luck.  They cripple all the time, and new ones hit the boards.

If a person can barely figure out how to get good value on a laptop,  How is he suppose to pick a mutual fund.

At best an index fund, even then if they pick the wrong sector for that year, they could barely make inflation.

Even to get  that aloof 9% return + dividends, that's not something anyone can just figure out, and it's NOT a sure thing.

No one making $15-30 are going to be terribly adept in these matters, and they represent the majority market for laptop machines.

Argument against a couple hour investment into Liquid metal are thoroughly invalid, baseless.

It's also preposterous to calculate time value this way, because salary is not paid 24/7.

If people can't understand simple mutual funds then how do you expect them to know how to de-lid a CPU and apply liquid metal? The worst mutual fund I'm currently invested in is the Fidelity OTC Mutual Fund(FOCPX). It currently has an average of 16.39% return the past 5 years and an average of 17.11% the last decade. Obviously not all mutual funds behave the same, maybe I just got into some blind luck when I was younger. Sure salary is not paid 24/7 but that doesn't stop from people working outside their 8-hour shift. The time could simply be well spent elsewhere.

[Leslieann]

If people can't understand simple mutual funds then how do you expect them to know how to de-lid a CPU and apply liquid metal?

People tend tool learn what they need to survive in their environment, neither of those have even an ounce of similarity.

[Steezus]

If people can't understand simple mutual funds then how do you expect them to know how to de-lid a CPU and apply liquid metal?

People tend tool learn what they need to survive in their environment, neither of those have even an ounce of similarity.

I can't disagree with you there. I'm under the assumption that investing in mutual funds would be an easier concept to understand and perform compared to recognizing the need to reduce thermals and conduct computer hardware modifications for the average joe.

[tp4tissue]

I can't disagree with you there. I'm under the assumption that investing in mutual funds would be an easier concept to understand and perform compared to recognizing the need to reduce thermals and conduct computer hardware modifications for the average joe.

Your argument is a failure no matter how many times you repeat it.

Delidding a cpu is not harder than investing in a mutual fund.  Liquid metal doesn't even require delid on laptops.

Researching a mutual fund, picking one, investing in it year after year, managing a portfolio,  in an imaginary world this will some how take LESS TIME than watching linustechtip teach you how to delid a cpu, and rub a paste on it ?

[Steezus]

I can't disagree with you there. I'm under the assumption that investing in mutual funds would be an easier concept to understand and perform compared to recognizing the need to reduce thermals and conduct computer hardware modifications for the average joe.

Your argument is a failure no matter how many times you repeat it.

Delidding a cpu is not harder than investing in a mutual fund.  Liquid metal doesn't even require delid on laptops.

Researching a mutual fund, picking one, investing in it year after year, managing a portfolio,  in an imaginary world this will some how take LESS TIME than watching linustechtip teach you how to delid a cpu, and rub a paste on it ?

It's also not difficult to send money to a broker, invest it, and forget about it. Not saying that is a good practice to do but it could still be done. Regardless, I was just enjoying weighing cost/benefit of your claims. If we are talking about someone completely inexperienced in investing and computer modifications I believe the average person would be more hesitant to tear open their laptop than compared to investing a paycheck. People put so much blind faith into their products and company's. Look at how many morons will put their Tesla's on auto pilot and then fall asleep or record dumb videos for the internet. I'm just not convinced in seeing any worth for me to personally apply liquid metal to a laptop. I suggest looking into mutual funds as they're not as difficult as you perceive them to be and there is a lot to gain with compound interest, especially when the market has been doing very well.

[1391401]

Curious - is this a real problem?  I ask because when I was tinkering with PCs and overclocking the biggest threat looming seemed to be "electromigration" and all the people who overvolted their Athlons to get those phat GHz were risking everything.  But as time showed no one's PC actually died from this phenomenon and nowadays I don't ever hear it mentioned.  At that time temperatures were a lot lower too.  If your PC was in the 40s under load you weren't actually trying.  Things are a bit different now though...

It reminds me of when I bought my first SSD at around 2006.  At the time it was only 100 MB/s read/write but felt blisteringly fast compared to any laptop HDD and even most desktop HDDs.  It was very basic, had no trim functionality, and OSes were not even ready for it because I had to specially prepare / align the partitions before installation to avoid performance problems.  All my techy friends told me it would fail before the year was over.  It lasted 3 years of heavy use in college with I would argue greater than average write cycles due to my course work in CS as well as heavy use of hibernation.  Disk writes were the thing that supposedly killed SSDs at the time.  Flash forward the drive still works but it's obsolete so it now lives somewhere in my Thinkpad collection.

[yui]

Electromigration is a real phenomenon, and it does kill semiconductors, but as everything it will be accelerated with higher heat/voltage and smaller processes (less material to migrate) but it is so incredibly slow, especially back then with "very" large nodes sometimes you can hear it pop up when peoples speak about 3nm to say that it would be impossible, but then you will also have i guess a lot more trouble with capacitance.

and for ssd yeah there was quite a bit of fearmongering back then, still they are more limited in writes than hdd but have "infinite" reads and "infinite" on time so for most use cases they will outlast hdd.

[Leslieann]

I think a lot of the fear was based people's experiences with thumbsticks and memory cards, which were and often still are terrible.

You are/were more likely to kill early ssds because of Microsofts removal of the F8 menu in Win10 than you were to see them fail because of writes. Most people don't realize, sudden power loss on many early SSDs could cause them to corrupt completely if they were in the middle of writing data (which does happen during boot).  I lost a 256gb drive this way while beta testing Win10, at that time that was an expensive drive.

Compare that to how many hdd's I've lost in that same time frame (despite using fewer of them), I'll take the ssd every time.

[digi]

I've never seen a SSD die or known anyone with a SSD reporting failure.

[tp4tissue]

Curious - is this a real problem?  I ask because when I was tinkering with PCs and overclocking the biggest threat looming seemed to be "electromigration" and all the people who overvolted their Athlons to get those phat GHz were risking everything

Old athlons are very thick processes. They take a very long time to wear out.

Newer chips are thinner, the channels can't take as much punishment.

100C is an accelerated wear environment.

The reason why it's allowed, is because they're betting these chips are not going to operate 24/7.

Notice all 24/7 rated chips are significantly lower clocked, often down to 2.xx 3.xx ghz

[Leslieann]

I've never seen a SSD die or known anyone with a SSD reporting failure.

They were pretty tough from the start (provided you didn't do anything stupid) but are nearly bulletproof these days.

Unless it was an OCZ, in which case, good luck.

[absyrd]

I've never seen a SSD die or known anyone with a SSD reporting failure.

They were pretty tough from the start (provided you didn't do anything stupid) but are nearly bulletproof these days.

Unless it was an OCZ, in which case, good luck.

Hahaha. OCZ. Brings me back.

And so many people are bugging about nvme temps. People need to relax and not rely on benchmarking software.

[tp4tissue]

Hahaha. OCZ. Brings me back.

And so many people are bugging about nvme temps. People need to relax and not rely on benchmarking software.

NVME temps are an issue in some laptops.  on Desktops, I don't think it's an issue unless it was improperly installed.

For example in my dell (laptop), it has an SSD heat spreader that lifts up at the corners making non contact.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104020.0