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Startrek: Picard
« on: Thu, 23 January 2020, 08:47:01 »
Captain Picard (Admiral) has finally returned to drive SciFi forward, paving the way for peaceful cohabitation with AI lifeforms. This is the real story of our era, above all the pettiness of human looped trivialities.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 20:54:21 »


Only 1 more day till Episode 2..... !!

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 21:34:12 »
Watched the first episode twice, will watch once more before the second episode airs!  :thumb:

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 29 January 2020, 22:01:07 »
Watched the first episode twice, will watch once more before the second episode airs!  :thumb:

Havn' had the time, I need to go through the series and movies myself.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 01:57:56 »
I was good until about the end, then i looked into it and saw it was based on the new reboots...

I'm going to give it a chance, but the end just really threw me.
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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 06:37:59 »
Watched the first episode twice, will watch once more before the second episode airs!  :thumb:

Havn' had the time, I need to go through the series and movies myself.


I think adequate prep is season 7 of TNG, Nemesis, and Star Trek (2009)

It's possible some voyager prep will be necessary in the coming episodes, I would guess that the final episode of Voyager would be minimally enough...

If I was coming from nowhere, I'm not sure how I would feel about the show.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 06:40:07 »
I was good until about the end, then i looked into it and saw it was based on the new reboots...

I'm going to give it a chance, but the end just really threw me.

It seems they're using the plot hinted at/glanced over in the 2009 reboot movie, but other than the mentioned events that occur in the far distant future (relative to the reboots themselves), I'm not sure how relevant they'll actually be.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 07:30:00 »

and saw it was based on the new reboots


I saw the 2009 reboot when it came out and didn't like it. (disclaimer - I was in high school at the time of TOS so I am deeply prejudiced, of course)

My kids were adolescents at the time so we "got the DVD" and after a few more viewings really started to grow on me. I didn't like the others nearly as much - Sherlock as Khan was way out of line.

All of the movies have taken themselves far too seriously (except probably the whale one) and the campiness of the originals was a significant part of their charm.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 07:45:13 »
and saw it was based on the new reboots
All of the movies have taken themselves far too seriously (except probably the whale one)

The Voyage Home was a cinematographic masterpiece. I fully admit to having seen that film more times than any of the others combined.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:00:47 »
I think adequate prep is season 7 of TNG, Nemesis, and Star Trek (2009)

It's possible some voyager prep will be necessary in the coming episodes, I would guess that the final episode of Voyager would be minimally enough...

If I was coming from nowhere, I'm not sure how I would feel about the show.

I'm mainly just glad this show has material for the Core fandom. The show is very much for us.

In terms of prep, S7 and some Voyager establishes backstory, buh... it's not absolutely necessary, the -Picard- current gen layout seems standalone enough, even if you've never seen it, the basic structure is not complicated.  But the OG details are there for OG fans. Based on 1 episode alone, it may be premature to claim all out success.

Overall, deep down , I am certain,   I FEEL IT.   Thursdays, are Captain Picard Days. I woke up this morning Brimming with Hope, for Startrek and for Humanity.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 11:11:43 »
Episode 2 is so gud''...






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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 14:55:16 »
Watching episode 2 as soon as I get off work  :thumb:


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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 30 January 2020, 15:44:11 »
Episode 2 is so gud''...

Yes! Just watched. Really need more...

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 31 January 2020, 19:27:27 »
Some theories: [Spoiler warning]

Zhat Vash romulan secret cabal, is one of the original creator/ co-creator of Borg tech

 - This lead to their stance to cease AI / synth utility in romulan society
 - They're not really BAD-Guys,  they're zealots.

The androids which caused the Utopia Planitia Shipyard xplosion were manipulated BY the Zhat Vash to create a reason trigger the ban on synths in The Federation.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 31 January 2020, 20:33:13 »
Some theories: [Spoiler warning]


There are multiple creation theories depending on which canon you pay attention too but none tie them to Romulans, who are actually an offshoot of Vulkans.
Then again, that could change at any moment.


Star Trek history/franchise/canon is a complete disaster not to be solved any time soon, the studio that owns the TNG franchise and timeline* owns almost nothing else (they sold it). Not only did they split the franchise, the studios never bothered to cultivate the story, it was trash sci-fi to be twisted and modded how they saw fit and as cheaply as possible (a lot of early TNG scripts were old unused and unwanted TOS plots, hence garbage).

As much as I like Star trek, it's a terrible franchise, always has been. Say what you will about Lucas or Disney, at least you have one group steering the ship instead of whoever made the best pitch for a new series they can slap the name on.

By the way, why not just put spoiler warning in the threat title... Though to be fair, if you click on a thread about a show that should be common knowledge.


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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:15:18 »
As much as I like Star trek, it's a terrible franchise, always has been. Say what you will about Lucas or Disney, at least you have one group steering the ship instead of whoever made the best pitch for a new series they can slap the name on.

By the way, why not just put spoiler warning in the threat title... Though to be fair, if you click on a thread about a show that should be common knowledge.

*This is why Picard can't follow TNG canon.


Mmm... Trek is much larger than any other series.  So, it's not quite possible to reign in every detail / plot over the course of so many years, with so many different producers/ writers.

Overall, I'd say TNG is probably the best-planned of all the big-Trek iterations.

The traditional trek-format also never prioritized cohesion, because they were never pressured to string people along for several episodes, that drag on forever.

That's no longer the case in Modern Television, Buhhhhhh... At least THUS FAR,  I am happy to be dancing the strings of Trek-Picard.

Vs, -the Trek series which does not exist-, the mushroom particles are just boring and pointless. I was bored after 2 episodes.


I also don't quite like the use of F-words,  now, I'm not against cursing, I just feel in both -the Trek series which does not exist- and Trek-Picard they were not well placed and came from the wrong actors.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 06 February 2020, 22:55:22 »
Episode 3, plot thickens.


Humanity needs to Freeze Sir Patrick Stewart,  and only unfreeze him when the Earth is in trouble.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 14 February 2020, 10:19:35 »
Episode 4,  Man, they're really giving everything the fan wants, 100%..

got 0 complaints, 0.. es perfecto

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 02:01:16 »
Very glad they're appropriating good roles for vanilla looking actresses these days.

Up until recently, pretty much only traditionally handsome women got on the main roster.

This will certainly go a long way towards making the characters more relatable to female watchers.

There's no shortage of plain doughy looking audience-relatable men in sci-fi.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 03:22:11 »
Starting to really get a Firefly vibe from the show (Firefly meets Star trek?).

Did a search, seems I'm not the only one.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 06:55:32 »
Starting to really get a Firefly vibe from the show (Firefly meets Star trek?).

Did a search, seems I'm not the only one.

I can see that emerging as well.

For what it's worth, I personally think they should stick to being in space. I think he final ~5 minutes of episode 4 demonstrate that pretty well.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 10:44:46 »
Starting to really get a Firefly vibe from the show (Firefly meets Star trek?).

Did a search, seems I'm not the only one.

I can see that emerging as well.

For what it's worth, I personally think they should stick to being in space. I think he final ~5 minutes of episode 4 demonstrate that pretty well.

IDK if i see Firefly..

Firefly is neater and episodically packed.

STPic is still using the long movie format.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:29:21 »
I didn't see it in the show so much, but watch ep. 3 of The Ready Room, that was where I noticed it.

There's several visuals that look ripped straight out of Firefly, from ship internal and external shots to the crew itself on the bridge. Even the way the cast talks about it sounds similar.
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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:32:17 »
I'm sure the visual similarities you see are there, but, can't say I'm feeling Firefly.

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:59:43 »
I'm sure the visual similarities you see are there, but, can't say I'm feeling Firefly.
It wasn't there in the earlier episodes, but I think it's becoming more and more prevalent as time goes on.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 03:41:15 »
I really need to watch some Star Trek...
I don't want to offend Star Trek fans here. I know it may sound strange, as being a 80s-90s person I didn't watch ST, maybe just few episodes, never really pulled me in.
I was more X-Files fan.

What do you guys suggest to watch first?
I know it was like Star Trek, then some New Generation etc
Which one should I Watch before I get to new Picard series?
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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 04:34:50 »
I really need to watch some Star Trek...
I don't want to offend Star Trek fans here. I know it may sound strange, as being a 80s-90s person I didn't watch ST, maybe just few episodes, never really pulled me in.
I was more X-Files fan.

What do you guys suggest to watch first?
I know it was like Star Trek, then some New Generation etc
Which one should I Watch before I get to new Picard series?
Picard is a hybrid.
They can't use almost anything story-wise from The Next Generation (TNG) due to ownership rights so the story/timeline is ripped from the re-imagined JJ ABrams movies but with TNG Characters. Anything they use from older stuff is pretty well explained so you don't need to know Trek history to enjoy it.

If you do want to watch older trek...
TNG starts off rocky, season 1 was made using older scripts originally intended for the original series, as a result there are times the story is very out of touch with the times since the writing was 20-30 years old. By season 2 they started finding their footing and it got better. While I always thought it was the best Trek series, a friend pushed me to watch Voyager, which I dismissed for various reasons, mostly I think I was burned out on Trek as TNG has just ended and we had Deep Space 9 (DS9) running (which I tired of), so it had been years of not just one Trek series, but two.

Voyager is better, though it pains me to say so because I just preferred the characters I think. It relies a bit too much on time travel too often to get out of a jam, one of my earlier complaints, but it really was better overall I think and they do come to use it less as a plot point as it goes on. That said, the best Trek series, which I think suffered from being the last in a long line up years of Trek series is Enterprise with Scott Bakula. Like me, I think people just got tired of the series so it ended early, but it really was fantastic. Had there been a few years break between series I think it would have done much better, it was just too much Trek at the time.


The original series (TOS) was hokey, if you like Doctor Who style sci-fi it may be better, the movies based on it are better in my opinion. Despite being hokey, the original did venture into serious issues now and then. DS9, some say it got better much later into the series after they realized there's only so many stores you can tell stuck on a space station. By then I had already checked out. It had some interesting elements though.

If you want gritty, the newer movies and the Discovery Series. The movies are a bit too Michael Bay-ish for me, Discovery is sort of the anti-Trek, sort of like how Rogue One is for Star Wars, some people really hate it, others like it.
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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 10:01:36 »
I really need to watch some Star Trek...

As a non-initiate, You don't need to watch The Original Series, it's not good television by modern standards.

Start with Either Voyager or The Next Generation.

Tp4 personally recommends TNG, but, mechanically, Voyager is more modern/ easier to follow.

After Voyager and TNG, you can watch Deep Space 9.

The Animated series is good, but it's more for younger people.

Enterprise is not bad, but directorially, it's chauvinistic and crass.


Tp4 considers TOS, Enterprise, TAS,  non-essential viewing for Non-Hardcore fans.

You can only watch the Latest Trek-Picard if you've seen TNG, otherwise its emphasis is not standalone.

Then there is the Series that doesn't exist which was produced in 2017, Ignore it, it never happened.



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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 04 March 2020, 18:01:19 »

The original series (TOS) was hokey,


It is grossly unfair to judge an archetype by contemporary standards. When TOS came out it was not backed by big money and shot on a shoestring budget (monsters built using bubble wrap and aluminum foil, etc) and was barely able to be made in color (its peers such as "Lost in Space" and "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" started off in black & white).

For its time it was revolutionary, this was when the majority of automobiles had no air conditioning and crank windows, there weren't push-button phones (much less pagers or cellular) and certainly not caller ID or answering machines. Personal computers in the majority of US households came halfway through the run of TNG!

For me, whose high school years coincided with TOS, it was remarkable and enlightening.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 05 March 2020, 03:02:57 »
I really need to watch some Star Trek...
I don't want to offend Star Trek fans here. I know it may sound strange, as being a 80s-90s person I didn't watch ST, maybe just few episodes, never really pulled me in.
I was more X-Files fan.

What do you guys suggest to watch first?
I know it was like Star Trek, then some New Generation etc
Which one should I Watch before I get to new Picard series?
Picard is a hybrid.
They can't use almost anything story-wise from The Next Generation (TNG) due to ownership rights so the story/timeline is ripped from the re-imagined JJ ABrams movies but with TNG Characters. Anything they use from older stuff is pretty well explained so you don't need to know Trek history to enjoy it.

If you do want to watch older trek...
TNG starts off rocky, season 1 was made using older scripts originally intended for the original series, as a result there are times the story is very out of touch with the times since the writing was 20-30 years old. By season 2 they started finding their footing and it got better. While I always thought it was the best Trek series, a friend pushed me to watch Voyager, which I dismissed for various reasons, mostly I think I was burned out on Trek as TNG has just ended and we had Deep Space 9 (DS9) running (which I tired of), so it had been years of not just one Trek series, but two.

Voyager is better, though it pains me to say so because I just preferred the characters I think. It relies a bit too much on time travel too often to get out of a jam, one of my earlier complaints, but it really was better overall I think and they do come to use it less as a plot point as it goes on. That said, the best Trek series, which I think suffered from being the last in a long line up years of Trek series is Enterprise with Scott Bakula. Like me, I think people just got tired of the series so it ended early, but it really was fantastic. Had there been a few years break between series I think it would have done much better, it was just too much Trek at the time.


The original series (TOS) was hokey, if you like Doctor Who style sci-fi it may be better, the movies based on it are better in my opinion. Despite being hokey, the original did venture into serious issues now and then. DS9, some say it got better much later into the series after they realized there's only so many stores you can tell stuck on a space station. By then I had already checked out. It had some interesting elements though.

If you want gritty, the newer movies and the Discovery Series. The movies are a bit too Michael Bay-ish for me, Discovery is sort of the anti-Trek, sort of like how Rogue One is for Star Wars, some people really hate it, others like it.

I really need to watch some Star Trek...

As a non-initiate, You don't need to watch The Original Series, it's not good television by modern standards.

Start with Either Voyager or The Next Generation.

Tp4 personally recommends TNG, but, mechanically, Voyager is more modern/ easier to follow.

After Voyager and TNG, you can watch Deep Space 9.

The Animated series is good, but it's more for younger people.

Enterprise is not bad, but directorially, it's chauvinistic and crass.


Tp4 considers TOS, Enterprise, TAS,  non-essential viewing for Non-Hardcore fans.

You can only watch the Latest Trek-Picard if you've seen TNG, otherwise its emphasis is not standalone.

Then there is the Series that doesn't exist which was produced in 2017, Ignore it, it never happened.




Thanks guys.
I need to find sources for all these and start watching then:)
I always wanted to pick it up at some point and watch the whole thing, maybe its time now.
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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 07 March 2020, 11:09:57 »

If you do want to watch older trek...
TNG starts off rocky, season 1 was made using older scripts originally intended for the original series, as a result there are times the story is very out of touch with the times since the writing was 20-30 years old. By season 2 they started finding their footing and it got better.

i've heard there was also a writers strike during Season 1 and 2, and so many scripts were adapted from fanfiction people wrote. that's why a lot of episodes have a "Story by" and "Script By" credit, and also why "The Royale" was ever made. that's why the stories are a lil hokey.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 19:03:58 »
I'm not angry Just DISAPPOINTED..


Overall, it's a good show,  but they chose at the end to conclude on such a plebeian concept of mortality.

There are so many better ways they could've explored AI-transcendence . 



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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 20:12:33 »
I had to stop watching Discovery half way into Season 2. This felt incredibly similar after two episodes so I just packed it in despite wanting to persevere if only to enjoy Red Letter Media tear it apart in their hilarious recaps.

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Re: Startrek: Picard
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 26 March 2020, 20:56:24 »
I had to stop watching Discovery half way into Season 2. This felt incredibly similar after two episodes so I just packed it in despite wanting to persevere if only to enjoy Red Letter Media tear it apart in their hilarious recaps.

It's way better than discovery, however it still dragged some of the elements too long which are already familiar territories for a modern audience.