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Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 04:21:24 »
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 05:05:26 »
I tend to buy used stuff in general, saves money, saves environment win-win

You can really find some awesome deals if you look around. Dosnt apply to keebs tho 🐬

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 06:53:57 »
If you buy a new car you lose thousands the moment you drive it away all for the prestige of having the latest numberplate for a max of six months, and during this time jealous people are likely to scratch it if you leave it in a remotely scummy area.  Sounds like a great idea!
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 13:22:18 »
I tend to buy used stuff in general, saves money, saves environment win-win

You can really find some awesome deals if you look around. Dosnt apply to keebs tho 🐬

Yea its kinda worth to buy used stuff sometime but for most of the used car contain a lot of "Hidden" issues xd

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 13:23:48 »
If you buy a new car you lose thousands the moment you drive it away all for the prestige of having the latest numberplate for a max of six months, and during this time jealous people are likely to scratch it if you leave it in a remotely scummy area.  Sounds like a great idea!

LOL, ikr. My sister did experienced this ****ty stuff, some random people just like to scratch new car. zzz

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 13:49:36 »
Cars last a lot longer today than they did in decades past. I have generally had very good luck buying cars that were used but well-maintained.

One way or secret where I have been lucky in recent years was to have a neighborhood mechanic who was very knowledgeable and honest, who would do a thorough examination and road test for $100. When I bought my current car, it was the 3rd one I brought to him. That $300 was a good investment, not a waste.
 
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 14:44:29 »
I quite like British used cars market. Due to saturation, one can pick a car in a good condition for cheap. And there is no winter and almost no salt. And I don't want to care about scratching a car so... It's an easy choice.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 18:38:30 »
Whenever I save the money to import one I am 100% buying a '95/96 Toyota Sera. At least you can work on older cars yourself and they are much more distinctive on the road.
So many cars from the last decade look exactly the same, I think we live in an age of the ugliest and most visually boring vehicles ever produced.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 19:00:49 »
I drove used cars my entire life, learned to maintain them, and saved a ton of money along the way.  Things changed in my life and my stress levels have gone through the roof and the idea of a car not starting in the morning or parts suddenly failing in the winter time has gone from an interesting challenge to yet another stressor.  At 35 I bought my first new car 2020 Subaru BRZ ts and I couldn't be happier.  AC and a waranty.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 19:19:58 »

'95/96 Toyota


Be careful. I had a 1996 Camry "Silver Anniversary" that was great and went 230K miles, but during that era was when various components like AC coolants and wheel sizes changed.

Make sure that you get modern variants so that you can buy replacement parts without drama.
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 20:16:05 »
Yep had used cars for the first 13 years of driving, fixed them myself (loved and hated it). I ended up changing jobs and for the first time in my life, I had to commute an hour each way (shift work so only 3 days a week average). Finally reached the stage where the long commute in low light conditions, combined with the relative remoteness of that location (reliability needed) led me to buy a new car as opposed to used.

The way I figure, I get LED headlights (which are ****ing amazing coming from old halogens), adaptive cruise control (which is ****ing amazing on long highway driving), Halved fuel usage, relatively new stereo with all connectivity requirements (only required new speakers/amp and even then the stock ones were good) and amazing handling (have to go up and down a Mt Fuji Initial D style mountain) and don't have to worry about **** breaking for the 3 or so years that I will have it.

I ended up getting a demo at run out time (due to new model) that had 100 kms on it for 20% off and a $500 fuel card. I ended up getting an interest rate on that car lower than my balls (which I organised prior to going into the dealer****).

In the future when I no longer have to commute, I will go back to ****ters but for now having a new car is amazing and right for my circumstances.

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 07 August 2020, 21:15:50 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOiciha5zXo

Buh, what bout highway miles ?


Won't be a big deal when I work local again. I am pretty close to a lot of the 4x4 tracks I like/want to do. Realistically, I wont be hitting the highway that often. Any longer trips I will just use my wife's car. Also in Australia (where i am) max is 100km/h and most people won't do more than 10kms over the limit as our roads are policed pretty hard (here anyway).


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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:38:25 »
My dream car right now is an 80s Ford Bronco Sport.



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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 19:41:14 »
Finally reached the stage where the long commute in low light conditions, combined with the relative remoteness of that location (reliability needed) led me to buy a new car as opposed to used.

The way I figure, I get LED headlights (which are ****ing amazing coming from old halogens), adaptive cruise control (which is ****ing amazing on long highway driving), Halved fuel usage, relatively new stereo with all connectivity requirements (only required new speakers/amp and even then the stock ones were good) and amazing handling (have to go up and down a Mt Fuji Initial D style mountain) and don't have to worry about **** breaking for the 3 or so years that I will have it.

My 2001 Saturn SC2 has just about all LED bulbs, down to the overhead lights (which I made red). I have had my 2012 Chevy Sonic for what must be approaching 3 years now. All I have done to that is put LED headlights in it when one of them burnt out, changed the oil, put a K&N air filter in it, and changed the thermostat and housing ... which should have been done anyway since the original housing was plastic. I hear the automatics of the same model have garbage transmissions though.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 23:01:32 »
You can really find some awesome deals if you look around. Dosnt apply to keebs tho 🐬
Yea its kinda worth to buy used stuff sometime but for most of the used car contain a lot of "Hidden" issues xd
This also holds true for new cars as well.

Off the top of my head:
Ford Focus automatic transmissions (currently in class action)
VW Dieselgate - ongoing
Mazda RX8 engine failures every 30k
Mazda 3 or 5(?) body rust
Mercedes body rust
Ferrari and Lamborghini engine fires
Porsche 993 intermediate shaft bearing failure
Toyota engine sludge problem
VW Phaeton and diesel Touareg (LOL)
Land Rover (too many to list)

The Firestone Tire Scandal involving the Ford Explorer, which also had a plastic intake manifold that was prone to warping, leading to engine failure. When they did cars for clunkers all 3 first generations of Explorer topped the list for most cashed in vehicle.

History is littered with bad new cars.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 23:14:36 »
Well wouldn't it stand to reason that if you bought a 40 year old working lemon it's not a lemon?

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 12 August 2020, 23:57:50 »
Well wouldn't it stand to reason that if you bought a 40 year old working lemon it's not a lemon?
No, old car prices are a mess and can be based on almost anything.

While somewhat predictable, there are outside influences to deal with. The Delorean was almost a joke before Back To the Future, I suspect that was partly why they used it, it looked futuristic but was a cheap prop.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 00:21:43 »

Off the top of my head:
Ford Focus automatic transmissions (currently in class action)
VW Dieselgate - ongoing
Mazda RX8 engine failures every 30k
Mazda 3 or 5(?) body rust
Mercedes body rust
Ferrari and Lamborghini engine fires
Porsche 993 intermediate shaft bearing failure
Toyota engine sludge problem
VW Phaeton and diesel Touareg (LOL)
Land Rover (too many to list)

The Firestone Tire Scandal involving the Ford Explorer, which also had a plastic intake manifold that was prone to warping, leading to engine failure. When they did cars for clunkers all 3 first generations of Explorer topped the list for most cashed in vehicle.

History is littered with bad new cars.

Owh damn, I never owned a used car but i always plan to. Also I don't know much about car because all the seller will not be honest you and promote their own car which is very good condition

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 06:10:19 »
Finally reached the stage where the long commute in low light conditions, combined with the relative remoteness of that location (reliability needed) led me to buy a new car as opposed to used.

The way I figure, I get LED headlights (which are ****ing amazing coming from old halogens), adaptive cruise control (which is ****ing amazing on long highway driving), Halved fuel usage, relatively new stereo with all connectivity requirements (only required new speakers/amp and even then the stock ones were good) and amazing handling (have to go up and down a Mt Fuji Initial D style mountain) and don't have to worry about **** breaking for the 3 or so years that I will have it.

My 2001 Saturn SC2 has just about all LED bulbs, down to the overhead lights (which I made red). I have had my 2012 Chevy Sonic for what must be approaching 3 years now. All I have done to that is put LED headlights in it when one of them burnt out, changed the oil, put a K&N air filter in it, and changed the thermostat and housing ... which should have been done anyway singe the original housing was plastic. I hear the automatics of the same model have garbage transmissions though.

LED projector headlights, not just LED globes. They are designed for the car and to meet our ADRs. I have been in cars with the lights switched for LED, it is not the same experience especially as the reflectors are not designed for it.

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 06:37:42 »

LED projector headlights, not just LED globes. They are designed for the car and to meet our ADRs. I have been in cars with the lights switched for LED, it is not the same experience especially as the reflectors are not designed for it.

Tp4 has found that the yellow lights are less glaring at night, seems safer, because the led is so bright and blue that it changes the eye's contrast <iris settings> too much at times

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 07:33:44 »

I never owned a used car but i always plan to


If you aren't concerned with being flashy, I recommend the Toyota Camry with the 4-cylinder engine. I had 3 of them that went well over 200K miles each. They need reasonable maintenance, like any machine, but were plenty perky while still relatively economical, and quite comfortable cruising at 80 mph on the highway.

The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 08:21:21 »
Owh damn, I never owned a used car but i always plan to. Also I don't know much about car because all the seller will not be honest you and promote their own car which is very good condition
Used cars are a two way street.

The good side is that the flaws are known and people/companies have identified and figured out a way to deal with common problems (usually), the bad side is you are buying someone else's problems. Cars are complicated, new or used you buy enough you will eventually get a bad one. Some sellers will tell you everything about a car, but for this you will pay more and it really needs to be an enthusiast car and bought from one of them. They will typically tell you everything and probably hate to see it go.

I'm not saying new cars are bad, just that they aren't foolproof like people think. Sure, they last longer, but you also can't fix them like you used to and because of that when something major does happen, it's not always an easy fix even if it's "covered" and even then IF it can be fixed. I've seen and heard some SHADY work done by dealers, a lot of times it's fix it just enough to get it past warranty because it costs too much to fix properly.
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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 08:29:07 »
I have been in cars with the lights switched for LED, it is not the same experience especially as the reflectors are not designed for it.
This.

Headlights are shaped to the bulb, there isn't an LED conversion for them yet that works properly, probably never will be.
Same for putting HID bulbs in halogen housings or projectors in HID housings. It doesn't work, at best you get terrible lighting, at worst you blind everyone coming at you (possibly causing an accident) and you still can't see as good as you would with just better bulbs.

Please don't do this.


By the way, just because it's brighter to you, doesn't mean you are actually seeing better. Also, the whiter or more blue the bulb, the worse they are in fog.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 10:35:53 »
Finally reached the stage where the long commute in low light conditions, combined with the relative remoteness of that location (reliability needed) led me to buy a new car as opposed to used.

The way I figure, I get LED headlights (which are ****ing amazing coming from old halogens), adaptive cruise control (which is ****ing amazing on long highway driving), Halved fuel usage, relatively new stereo with all connectivity requirements (only required new speakers/amp and even then the stock ones were good) and amazing handling (have to go up and down a Mt Fuji Initial D style mountain) and don't have to worry about **** breaking for the 3 or so years that I will have it.

My 2001 Saturn SC2 has just about all LED bulbs, down to the overhead lights (which I made red). I have had my 2012 Chevy Sonic for what must be approaching 3 years now. All I have done to that is put LED headlights in it when one of them burnt out, changed the oil, put a K&N air filter in it, and changed the thermostat and housing ... which should have been done anyway singe the original housing was plastic. I hear the automatics of the same model have garbage transmissions though.

LED projector headlights, not just LED globes. They are designed for the car and to meet our ADRs. I have been in cars with the lights switched for LED, it is not the same experience especially as the reflectors are not designed for it.

I wouldn't even know there was a difference. My Sonic is the newest car I have ever even seen under the hood of. That sounds too fancy for me. What's so different about them? I already worry that my standard headlamps are too bright and that I might blind people and/or piss them off, even though I have adjusted them properly. I think they're still brighter than my conventional high beams and throw light nearly as far.


LED projector headlights, not just LED globes. They are designed for the car and to meet our ADRs. I have been in cars with the lights switched for LED, it is not the same experience especially as the reflectors are not designed for it.

Tp4 has found that the yellow lights are less glaring at night, seems safer, because the led is so bright and blue that it changes the eye's contrast <iris settings> too much at times


I know what LED color temperature is, I have been using LED bulbs all over the house for many years now. I always make sure that not just the rating, but the actual color reviewers have experienced is a natural white.

I have been in cars with the lights switched for LED, it is not the same experience especially as the reflectors are not designed for it.
This.

Headlights are shaped to the bulb, there isn't an LED conversion for them yet that works properly, probably never will be.
Same for putting HID bulbs in halogen housings or projectors in HID housings. It doesn't work, at best you get terrible lighting, at worst you blind everyone coming at you (possibly causing an accident) and you still can't see as good as you would with just better bulbs.

Please don't do this.


By the way, just because it's brighter to you, doesn't mean you are actually seeing better. Also, the whiter or more blue the bulb, the worse they are in fog.

Maybe I just got lucky? The difference in visibility in either of my cars is night and day. Isn't most of the light directed at the reflectors regardless, and bounced forward? All of the LED replacements I have seen basically only face the individual diodes at the reflectors anyway.

The town in which I live seems to almost always be shrouded in fog, compared to everywhere else around it. I can't say I ever noticed a particular problem seeing in it with LEDs vs anything else. When it is bad, visibility is usually only something like 15-30 feet anyway, regardless of whatever lights you may have. If my lights were blue, I would return them. That's not even legal here.
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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:29:04 »
I say get a used car. You can get a dealer pre-certified off-lease car with a manufacturer warranty and save a chunk of change. If you want something less expensive but reliable get an older but well maintained Toyota or Honda. Buy a new car and get hit with that depreciation. If you are bank rolling the dough and want a sports car or luxury vehicle then buy new but if you do, do it for you and not to impress others because really most people don't care.

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:38:32 »
I say get a used car. You can get a dealer pre-certified off-lease car with a manufacturer warranty and save a chunk of change. If you want something less expensive but reliable get an older but well maintained Toyota or Honda. Buy a new car and get hit with that depreciation. If you are bank rolling the dough and want a sports car or luxury vehicle then buy new but if you do, do it for you and not to impress others because really most people don't care.

I want a challenger. I could have sworn I had seen some for just over $7,000 used on Craigslist a few months ago. Now they all seem to be $20,000+. $7,000 for a 10-year-old car is already a little ridiculous if you ask me.

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:43:18 »
I want a challenger. I could have sworn I had seen some for just over $7,000 used on Craigslist a few months ago. Now they all seem to be $20,000+. $7,000 for a 10-year-old car is already a little ridiculous if you ask me.

I want a C6 Corvette Grand Sport one day. Under $30k, top speed just shy of 200 mph, reliable, good gas mileage (if you drive nice), and almost always low miles because most responsible owners do not drive them much.

[Edit] I would have concerns getting a $7k Craigslist Challenger. Seems pretty cheap.

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 11:57:02 »
I want a challenger. I could have sworn I had seen some for just over $7,000 used on Craigslist a few months ago. Now they all seem to be $20,000+. $7,000 for a 10-year-old car is already a little ridiculous if you ask me.

I want a C6 Corvette Grand Sport one day. Under $30k, top speed just shy of 200 mph, reliable, good gas mileage (if you drive nice), and almost always low miles because most responsible owners do not drive them much.

[Edit] I would have concerns getting a $7k Craigslist Challenger. Seems pretty cheap.

If everything else is $20,000+, then I wouldn't care if somebody sawed the thing in half and welded it back together at that price. $7,000 is not an insignificant investment for me. I should still just be saving to finally get my own condo or house though.

I think I prefer the cosmetics of the C7 myself. That's the first Corvette since the Stingray that I have ever thought looked any better than just ok, at best. I just now finally looked at the C8 for the first time. Is that thing a freaking joke? It just looks like some generic European supercar amalgamation you would see in GTA V. The 6th generation Camaro is looking pretty ugly now too. I hope that trend doesn't continue. I was really liking all of the retro designs, since the real old ones are only for rich people at this point.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 12:42:22 »
If everything else is $20,000+, then I wouldn't care if somebody sawed the thing in half and welded it back together at that price. $7,000 is not an insignificant investment for me. I should still just be saving to finally get my own condo or house though.

I think I prefer the cosmetics of the C7 myself. That's the first Corvette since the Stingray that I have ever thought looked any better than just ok, at best. I just now finally looked at the C8 for the first time. Is that thing a freaking joke? It just looks like some generic European supercar amalgamation you would see in GTA V. The 6th generation Camaro is looking pretty ugly now too. I hope that trend doesn't continue. I was really liking all of the retro designs, since the real old ones are only for rich people at this point.

It might have been a good deal but who knows. If you buy a car that was originally $100k for $30k you still have a $100k car meaning if you need parts or work done it will not be cheap! I don't know much about Challengers specifically. Also you have to consider all the other fees you will have to pay such as gas guzzler taxes, registration fees, insurance, etc. Also I've only seen a couple C8's in the wild and I thought they looked pretty sharp.
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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #30 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 13:15:24 »
If everything else is $20,000+, then I wouldn't care if somebody sawed the thing in half and welded it back together at that price. $7,000 is not an insignificant investment for me. I should still just be saving to finally get my own condo or house though.

I think I prefer the cosmetics of the C7 myself. That's the first Corvette since the Stingray that I have ever thought looked any better than just ok, at best. I just now finally looked at the C8 for the first time. Is that thing a freaking joke? It just looks like some generic European supercar amalgamation you would see in GTA V. The 6th generation Camaro is looking pretty ugly now too. I hope that trend doesn't continue. I was really liking all of the retro designs, since the real old ones are only for rich people at this point.

It might have been a good deal but who knows. If you buy a car that was originally $100k for $30k you still have a $100k car meaning if you need parts or work done it will not be cheap! I don't know much about Challengers specifically. Also you have to consider all the other fees you will have to pay such as gas guzzler taxes, registration fees, insurance, etc. Also I've only seen a couple C8's in the wild and I thought they looked pretty sharp.

I hadn't even heard of this gas guzzler tax. I have never owned a car with horsepower even approaching 200hp. It only applies to cars, so the aholes driving gigantic boats that nobody who still does not drive a gigantic boat can't see around, who may have even worse fuel economy, get off scott free. It sounds like it is time for a reboot. It looks like it only applies to new cars though?

Because I have really only driven fuel efficient vehicles, that's part of why I don't even really care what's under the hood so long as it feels like a muscle car.

Sure, the C8 doesn't look terrible, but it doesn't scream 'Murica to me. It just looks like some European supercar. That's not a bad thing, but there are too few good-looking muscles to begin with.
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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 18:57:05 »
I wouldn't even know there was a difference. My Sonic is the newest car I have ever even seen under the hood of. That sounds too fancy for me. What's so different about them? I already worry that my standard headlamps are too bright and that I might blind people and/or piss them off, even though I have adjusted them properly. I think they're still brighter than my conventional high beams and throw light nearly as far.


So any car with retrofitted LEDs that i have been in seem to throw the light in a bizzare way. It seems like the initial light area gets brighter from the colour difference but it is not an organised spread if that makes sense. Also you can tell when someone has done it to their car when you drive past because it dazzles you even though they are using low beam. The colour and brightness is a dead giveaway.

With the projectors, the light goes where it is allowed to go legally so as to not dazzle other drivers (I have seen other people in my type of car and it does not dazzle you). It is also even spread and lights up the side of the road quite well (which is good in Australia with all the suicidal wildlife). I guess you could describe it as painting a wall from black to white with a roller and professional painter as opposed to someone filling their ******* with white paint and then sharting it onto the wall (if that makes sense).

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 13 August 2020, 22:34:07 »
I wouldn't even know there was a difference. My Sonic is the newest car I have ever even seen under the hood of. That sounds too fancy for me. What's so different about them? I already worry that my standard headlamps are too bright and that I might blind people and/or piss them off, even though I have adjusted them properly. I think they're still brighter than my conventional high beams and throw light nearly as far.

Our eyes lie.
We see white as brighter than other colors even if there is an identical amount of light.

You have to actually measure lumens, and you also have to place it properly, changing the bulb even a single mm causes the reflector to be misaligned and thows light wrong, this is an issue on LED especially where they need a pcb behind the LED, whereas the original was just a metal wire. If 1-2mm causes issues, imagine if it moves 6-10mm from the focal point, which is what cheaper LED bulb conversions do.

As for your factory lights blinding people, they can and do, but there's little you can do. Crap car headlights is why the NTSB is now rating headlights, too many companies were just making them brighter and not actually working better. At least one car 2 years(?) ago was hardly better than sealed beam despite having projector or LED lamps, it wasn't casting light down the road it was just sending it all over and blinding oncoming drivers.


Here's a video showing the issue.
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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 00:16:24 »
I say get a used car. You can get a dealer pre-certified off-lease car with a manufacturer warranty and save a chunk of change. If you want something less expensive but reliable get an older but well maintained Toyota or Honda. Buy a new car and get hit with that depreciation. If you are bank rolling the dough and want a sports car or luxury vehicle then buy new but if you do, do it for you and not to impress others because really most people don't care.

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Good advise, this mindset always in my mind but I am really get into Toyota 86 although I don't think it is really counted as "Sport Car" in my opinion. I just feel its looks so good and its not cheaper either in my country. Also I was planning this as my first car LOL , am I dumb?

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 02:32:02 »
None of the cars I want are made anymore, so yeah, I guess :p .
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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 14 August 2020, 16:05:59 »
I wouldn't even know there was a difference. My Sonic is the newest car I have ever even seen under the hood of. That sounds too fancy for me. What's so different about them? I already worry that my standard headlamps are too bright and that I might blind people and/or piss them off, even though I have adjusted them properly. I think they're still brighter than my conventional high beams and throw light nearly as far.


So any car with retrofitted LEDs that i have been in seem to throw the light in a bizzare way. It seems like the initial light area gets brighter from the colour difference but it is not an organised spread if that makes sense. Also you can tell when someone has done it to their car when you drive past because it dazzles you even though they are using low beam. The colour and brightness is a dead giveaway.

With the projectors, the light goes where it is allowed to go legally so as to not dazzle other drivers (I have seen other people in my type of car and it does not dazzle you). It is also even spread and lights up the side of the road quite well (which is good in Australia with all the suicidal wildlife). I guess you could describe it as painting a wall from black to white with a roller and professional painter as opposed to someone filling their ******* with white paint and then sharting it onto the wall (if that makes sense).

I have stood a distance away from my cars at night to see the lights as other drivers would. I can't say I have seen any LED lights that I would perceive differently than the ones that I have. They've always been blindingly bright in my mirrors, whether it is a brand new car that must have factory LEDs, or is an old car that's been retrofitted. Maybe some of that has to do with the fact that I only drive small clown cars though. My Sonic is my first sedan in many years, and it is still an economy car of sorts.

Shouldn't light reaching the side of the road be a part of the proper installation/adjustment procedure? I always set the right headlights to point as far as possible to the right without looking terrible. In Wisconsin, we also have no shortage of suicidal wildlife. There are days I see 10+ roadkill carcasses obliterated on the side of the highway in a single 20-25 minute drive to or from work.

I wouldn't even know there was a difference. My Sonic is the newest car I have ever even seen under the hood of. That sounds too fancy for me. What's so different about them? I already worry that my standard headlamps are too bright and that I might blind people and/or piss them off, even though I have adjusted them properly. I think they're still brighter than my conventional high beams and throw light nearly as far.

Our eyes lie.
We see white as brighter than other colors even if there is an identical amount of light.

You have to actually measure lumens, and you also have to place it properly, changing the bulb even a single mm causes the reflector to be misaligned and thows light wrong, this is an issue on LED especially where they need a pcb behind the LED, whereas the original was just a metal wire. If 1-2mm causes issues, imagine if it moves 6-10mm from the focal point, which is what cheaper LED bulb conversions do.

As for your factory lights blinding people, they can and do, but there's little you can do. Crap car headlights is why the NTSB is now rating headlights, too many companies were just making them brighter and not actually working better. At least one car 2 years(?) ago was hardly better than sealed beam despite having projector or LED lamps, it wasn't casting light down the road it was just sending it all over and blinding oncoming drivers.


Here's a video showing the issue.

I will watch later if I remember. I made sure to get the best balance between lumen rating and actual white light representation. I do my research before I buy much of anything, much less something as important as headlights. When I originally got LED bulbs for my Saturn, it was initially partly to try to power through the haze that had accumulated on the light housings without replacing them or polishing them. My headlights went from dangerous to drive at night with to usable without touching the housings.

I am constantly scanning the road for deer that have nothing left to live for at night, so I would think that it would be reasonable for me to say that I see a major measurable difference in visibility with both vehicles. As I said though, I didn't buy the first cheap set of LED headlights with 4-5 star ratings.

I did not consider focal point. I imagine the video will be enlightening in that regard and I may take a look at the lights in both vehicles after watching it.

Other factors in my choice besides visibility were power efficiency and reliability. Before I upgraded the Sonic's headlights, I noticed one was burnt out while I was in the parking lot of my brother's work, waiting for him to get off to drive him home. I hadn't even made it home before a cop pulled me over for it. I figured I would get two birds with one stone in that I'll save money over time and not be likely to deal with that ever again before these cars are rust blowing in the wind.

On the power efficiency end, S series Saturns are notorious for water leaks into the trunk ... and wiring harness powering the rear lights. I kept blowing bulbs back there, so LEDs were also a cheap and lazy solution to that, as it hasn't happened again. lol
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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 26 August 2020, 22:47:14 »
umm.. someone has to keep the economy alive... I got this today.. brand new 2020 Chevy Silverado LT 5.3 V8.... I traded my Colorado the deal was good....

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 27 August 2020, 01:13:40 »
if i could get 1990's cars new i would consider it but for now i do believe used is my best option :)
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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 03:38:30 »
umm.. someone has to keep the economy alive... I got this today.. brand new 2020 Chevy Silverado LT 5.3 V8.... I traded my Colorado the deal was good....

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 08:58:52 »
Both of my vehicles are nearly 20 yrs old already ('01 Jeep WJ w/ 128,000 miles and '02 4Runner w/ 230,000 miles), more than likely I will keep the 4Runner until the planet reclaims it.  The WJ will more than likely be traded in eventually towards another Grand Cherokee since that's what the wife wants (not looking forward to having a vehicle payment again).   I will never buy a new vehicle's initial launch of a new gen due to all the bugs they have (having been an auto tech for 15+ yrs it always happens).  I know for my wants, I would buy my next car used since it would be a AutoX/track day vehicle for fun - more than likely another Civic or Impreza.

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 28 August 2020, 13:56:00 »

Push the gas pedal and advance global warming!

355HP V8..... 'merica     .....USA USA.... I doubt my Truck will come close to doing 1 millionth as much harm to the environment as all the "peaceful protesters" in my country with their extremely peaceful rioting and arson......   I have enough use for a truck to justify owning one... so yeah.....



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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 31 August 2020, 20:25:03 »
Aight guys, I ended up getting Honda Civic 2020 oof

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 31 August 2020, 23:55:29 »
Aight guys, I ended up getting Honda Civic 2020 oof

Perfect selection 4 the pandemic economy.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 01 September 2020, 01:09:28 »

Perfect selection 4 the pandemic economy.

Yea but include all the tax it cost around 35k dollar ishh. Btw I choose the 1.5TC four-door version

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 02 September 2020, 13:36:36 »
that is about your life idea. I think that life is about pleasure, so make happen what your head wants :)
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 03 September 2020, 01:48:20 »

Perfect selection 4 the pandemic economy.

Yea but include all the tax it cost around 35k dollar ishh. Btw I choose the 1.5TC four-door version

TF????? $35K for a civic.....  man my Silverado LT is right there in that range...  You in the States?

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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 03 September 2020, 02:17:11 »
that is about your life idea. I think that life is about pleasure, so make happen what your head wants :)

Of course we have our own life idea so I only do what I can afford XD

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Re: Will you pick used car rather than new car?
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 03 September 2020, 02:17:16 »

Perfect selection 4 the pandemic economy.

Yea but include all the tax it cost around 35k dollar ishh. Btw I choose the 1.5TC four-door version

TF????? $35K for a civic.....  man my Silverado LT is right there in that range...  You in the States?

Oh man, you can get a used DB7 for that kinda dough.

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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 03 September 2020, 02:31:04 »

Perfect selection 4 the pandemic economy.

Yea but include all the tax it cost around 35k dollar ishh. Btw I choose the 1.5TC four-door version

TF????? $35K for a civic.....  man my Silverado LT is right there in that range...  You in the States?

Damnn, Nah Im from Malaysia. The government tax is high af adadadad

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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 03 September 2020, 02:31:51 »

Oh man, you can get a used DB7 for that kinda dough.

REALLY!? BUT I don't think I can afford the maintenance fee  :p :p