We won't make it.

[tp4tissue]

Our genetic legacy, pervasive in our culture, assures self destruction.

What are we teaching this and every generation that came before??

How does a teenager even DECIDE to shoot up a school, well? Maybe because our CULTURE teaches him that guns are the beginning and end to all problem solving.

[fohat.digs]

An exquisite demonstration of why "gaming" has never interested me.

[noisyturtle]

Conflict is the easiest thing to create gameplay around, the player and character must have something to battle against to engage, progress, and grow. The only real exception is puzzle games and 'walking sim' games. No one is going to get together with 4 of their closest friends to play a game about visiting your grandmother. We are not talking about the contents of the game, we are talking about structure.

The point you are trying to make is shortsighted, flawed, and misrepresented.

[tp4tissue]

Is it?

Embedded in the culture, is the worship of violence. Embedded in our economy, is the worship of slavery.

Embedded in our education, is to ERASE curiosity, replace it with indoctrination to ready young people for a lifetime of servitude.

You are born owe-ing, Nothing beneath your feet is yours, you have no rights to anything until you work and pay RENT. 


How we disconnect the human and the World is at the core. Slaves are property, Women and Children were once traded in commerce, they still are illegally.  The world is just a set of things for humans to Exploit, the animals are there for humans to kill, we have NO RESPONSIBILITY for the Cost/ Death of the Ecosystem. They are externalities, Neither accounted for in our economy, nor our culture, certainly not our games.


Our games reflect what we can Kill, Butcher and Exploit, it ONLY counts how that violence is relevant to US, how Glorious such violence is. There are no games about the victims,  it's all about being the Winner. What did we win, a dying ecosystem, and psychiatric mileu of the existential crisis.   

[noisyturtle]

You do not understand player engagement and sense of progression that is built around game play meant to progress player skill, story, and game mechanics. This is a shining example of of false equivalence. Your argument is almost the same as Joseph Lieberman saying Mortal Kombat will turn your child into a serial killer.

[tp4tissue]

Mortal Kombat hasn't turned children into serial killers.

Children are already born into a Prebaked-Full-CULTURE of serial Killers.

What is the 80 Billion animals we kill each year if not a holocaust.  What is the 10-100 Million Indians we slaughtered in the founding of America if not Serial Killing. What is the 5-10 million middle eastern innocent people we killed only a few years back, and found 0 WMDs.

Game mechanics are what they are,  but what does it TAKE to kill another person.

Well, first you have to dehumanize them.  Republicans will yell libtard, Democrat will denounce with Maga.

The Chef, will say, Beef, Pork.


Humans debase nature and all that is around them so they can place themselves as the center of all things.

Islam says we're infidels,  We say they're terrorists, meanwhile,  we carry out identical violence towards each other.



Our Video-GAMES are born from this corrupted culture.

You don't see it as such because this is Our - Normal.  Violence, Genocide, Murder, Rape are our cultural cornerstones.

[fohat.digs]

Joseph Lieberman saying Mortal Kombat will turn your child into a serial killer.

I would love to see a legit study of serial killers and their involvement with computer games.

[tp4tissue]

On the surface of games don't turn kids into killers, that's clearly not correct. Apart from our Genocidal violent culture / Carnism that we're already born into.

What are school shootings then, Maybe they're not SERIAL-killers, but they're kids, of course they're bad at it.  You cook a kiddo for 30-40 years, one that understands the game mechanics better, how to destroy evidence, how to cover his trails. You wouldn't ever find the super serial killers you've just trained. Or they lead billion dollar corporations/hedgefunds and do their killing overseas.


We are so desensitized that disemboweling human beings, the severe maiming of bodies, the dissection of animals NO LONGER even register as images of aversion. We put it on T-shirts, we put it on cars, we use hypersexuality and violence as online avatars.

We have cultural memes which up-regulate violence and gore. Those who can handle/ digest/ INFLICT the Most-Violence becomes our cultural heroes, virtual or otherwise..


Don't even get Tp4 started on what's on the Dark web and the various statistical studies.

[TomahawkLabs]

I grew up with a family of hunters. I personally own more firearms than fingers. I grew up playing PS2 and Xbox360, almost exclusively shooters (halo, cod, gta5) as well as racing games.

Fast forward 14 years of adulthood. I haven’t fired a round in 7-8 years, I drive a sports car, but drive it like it doesn’t have a turbo. Fantasy is fun, but not reality. I fully understand I can’t physically harm people. I also cannot drive it like I stole it, because there are real world consequences. It has way more to do with separating fantasy and reality and understanding the difference.

Japan plays hyper violent games and have single digit firearm deaths a year and a society that is largely passive. Lack of parenting is the issue. Talk to your ****in kids.

[tp4tissue]

Japan plays hyper violent games and have single digit firearm deaths a year and a society that is largely passive. Lack of parenting is the issue. Talk to your ****in kids.

Japan plays tons of violent video games, but they have very strict background checks for gun ownership. If they remotely suspect you're unstable, or have an unusual sudden desire to buy a gun, you will not be approved.

Japan watches alot of Loli in their anime and games,  Guess Waht? Japan is the #1 consumer of child-pr0nographi and a hotspot for trafficking. Their entertainment district is directly controlled by the yakuza who manages the JK exploitation empire. 13% of schoolgirls are involved in some magnitude of compensated-dating (prostitution). 1 in 10 japanese men own child exploitation material.

That is a society which has absolutely 0 intention to stop.

Japan also does not have independent media whatsoever, both to coverup the ongoing massive Social Health Disaster that Fukushima has caused, and is ON GOING.  But also because the Japanese are particularly thin-skinned and can't handle criticism.

Exposure to something, across time, Normalizes that thing, whatever that thing is. This is NOT-controversial.  Smoking / drug use/ alcohol anything.

If alcohol was invented today, it'd be instantly illegal.

[TomahawkLabs]

You’ve identified the solution to gun violence is red flag laws and basic standards of obtaining a firearm. The issue in America is we let the issue fester and our guns outnumber humans, there is no going back for America.

Regarding underage material in Japan, it’s only been illegal for 1 generation. It was 100% legal to sell and produce up until 1999 and only in 2017 was it made illegal to own.

None of these things have to do with video games. The cure for petty, violent crime is to invest in areas to give people a legit alternative to violence and petty crime. That’s why rich people like among other rich people. They only commit fraud and financial crimes. “Victimless” crimes they call it.

[tp4tissue]

The problems we face stem from the cultural roots of mankind.

The interplay of desire, and means.

It does not so much matter that "WE" technically have a higher Gini Coefficient, When all the stuff we buy to make our society run is produced somewhere that has what's essentially slave labor. 

So, the violence and ugliness in a consumption based economy that seems to have alleviated is actually just exported.


We've refused to address what we are, a plague species. Our entire framework for Behavior, resource consumption and growth, will culminate in the Singular outcome of Killing the HOST, the death of our Ecosystem.

The amount of guns is only a small part of the problem.

Culture reinforces behavior.  If we refuse to change culture, we will keep behaving like sociopaths.

The other mistake that people often make,  is that these are all Separate problems. They are NOT.  Everything we do is a problem, because our Framing of Progress is NO LONGER COMPATIBLE with the resource and emissions capacity LEFT on Planet Earth.

[fohat.digs]

Here is a remarkably different perspective.

[tp4tissue]

That guy's a moron. Those arn't even opinions, he's just parroting fox news with no supporting logic / evidence. 

[tp4tissue]

Some guy just decided to GTA, Grand Theft Auto a Filipino festival in British Columbia, Canada. 

Rev-ed his SUV then Rammed into pedestrians.

Bystanders describe as having witnessed a warzone.  So many people on the ground injured, bodies everywhere, unfolding event.



Just sayin'  Video games don't make murderers?  Not entirely,  but they're involved. Encouraging and Normalizing Anti-social behaviors. 

"Dale Selipe, who was with Andiso, saw a toddler injured and another child with an open scalp wound. Many of the bodies were twisted grotesquely."

“There was a lady with her eyes staring up, one of her legs was already broken. One person was holding her hand trying to comfort her,”


https://vancouversun.com/news/police-incident-at-lapu-lapu-day-in-vancouver

[fohat.digs]

they're involved. Encouraging and Normalizing Anti-social behaviors.

I feel that way. Besides the fact that I do not like games in general, I have always particularly disliked games that glorify violence. WTF is there to like?

[Leslieann]

Everything Tp has argued has been claimed many times in the past, by lawyers even, with at least one (Jack Thompson) being disbarred for his conduct.

Violent video games, like most games, are an escape from reality. Doesn't matter if it's farm sim or a shooter it allows people to relax and work out aggression. Games don't cause violence, they reduce it. Can it teach those who are going to do something, absolutely (the Columbine shooters mapped out their school in Doom beforehand), but that doesn't mean the game made them do do it.

Correlation is not causation.

[chyros]

Saying video games are the cause of violence is the same as saying death metal is a cause of violence. While if you know any metal heads you'll know they're all big softies. I agree with Leslieann 100%.

[tp4tissue]

It's the same conservative take on gun violence.

They're saying, guns don't cause gun violence, owning a gun does not cause you to pull the trigger.  No, but it's related, you're closer to pulling the Trigger if you OWN a gun, vs NOT Owning a gun.

It's the same with every other argument you want to Frame incorrectly.

Violent video games didn't pull the trigger,  but it made it easier,  if you multiply this factor by the number of people who are affected, 99.9% of kids play gunviolence video games, you have a Wide network effect which cascades in 2-300 school shootings per year in America.

[Findecanor]

I don't think that analogy holds. Video games are not an enabler.

They can be a reinforcement of unhealthy gun culture though, but there are expressions of gun culture in other aspects of entertainment that are just as, or more damaging IMHO.
I'm appalled at the US. for how little people there seem to value their fellow humans in general, not just in how violence is glorified and how often it is touted as a justified solution to a problem.

[tp4tissue]

Gun ownership hasn't changed much.   

So, much more clearly, ownership hasn't affected kids using guns, because the access was always there and roughly constant.   Don't get me wrong, I'm all for just not owning guns, but it's clearly only 1 of the "lesser" root causes.

What the hell else is going on in the kid's life that's causing it. Are parents encouraging them to use guns? Jimmy, if you don't like Terence, pew pew pew peww.

What do kids spend 100s and 1000s of their waking hours doing, OH, watching violent movies, and PLAYING VIDEO GAMES.


What MESSAGE do the most popular video games Express to children, Everything BAD is SOLVED with a GUN or by killing in some other way, magical, or with swords, or with magical swords, and or magical guns.

[chyros]

It's the same conservative take on gun violence.

They're saying, guns don't cause gun violence, owning a gun does not cause you to pull the trigger.  No, but it's related, you're closer to pulling the Trigger if you OWN a gun, vs NOT Owning a gun.

You can't kill someone with a video game. You can with a gun. There's a significant distinction.

[tp4tissue]

You can't kill someone with a video game. You can with a gun. There's a significant distinction.

Why would you say that?

If video games push the billions of young people who play them even SLIGHTLY towards more antisocial, solving problems with guns ATTITUDE, IDEOLOGY,   that large scaling Multiple has massive societal effects.

Cigarette campaigns do not kill people, they don't put the cigarette in your hands, they don't FORCE you to smoke. But it's subtly MOVING the mindset towards smoking, resulting in cancer, then death.

You might watch 10 cigarette commercials in a day before they were banned. Kids today, play 10s of 1000s of hours of Gun Violence videogames, in total, we can say SOCIETY is commercially exposed to Billions of hours of gun violence, wrapped in an entertainment package, and that gun violence is portrayed as "Fun". Killing is FUN.. THIS is our predominant culture now, the Primary form of entertainment is Murder-Simulation.

How can you say Video games didn't "kill" someone.   No one was blugeoned to death with a game controller, but the effect is the same.

EVERYTHING we do, absorb, interact with, as a culture, CHANGES US,  pushing us towards and away from the root-norms, behavioral constructs.

[tp4tissue]

Clair Obscur,

IDK,  it's okk... The combat is fun, but very violent and human centric.

It appeals to the emotion in the plot,  care about you, care about me, trying to say, oh look, these people have Empathy....  And yet,  them knowing nothing of the new world around them, is tasked to kill everything in sight..

Like Monster hunter,  the incentive structure is psychopathic. Kill these "animals", why because they look different, and you're invading them, kill them, take their body parts/ magic, so you can become more powerful, so you can KILL THEM FASTER, to take more of their body parts.

It's  Normal to not see that gap for what it is. A murderous species prejudiced Genocidal game, like all the other Genocidal games. ( Our general human economy, what we kill and what we burn = Money )


The STORIES we tell have Consequences, they form our basic cognitive structure, and become the fabric of society.

The Stories are why we Genocide and why we War.

Glory is reserved for the KINGs, those who have Killed-the-Most.

[fohat.digs]

Earthquake this morning.

About 4 or slightly more about 30 miles southwest of here. My 80-year-old house was seriously shaking for about 10 seconds.

[tp4tissue]

It's ok fohat. You have 2x backup humans already running.