Hades 2 v Soni( Crosswrolds

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Gekha is buys??

Tp4 still on the fence.

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It's between hades 2, and sonic crosswrolds.

Tp4 is not buying both. Decisions.

Crossworlds seems to have decent performance, Tp4 estimates you need a 4090/5080 to get solid 4K 120fps+

Unfortunately Tp4's 79xtx falls way short. May be able to do 90-100fps @ 4k.

Hades 2 though, gpu, no problem.

Hrrm..

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The other thing to note is, the Graphics style of Sonic crosswrolds, despite using unreal engine 5,  they've made most stage elements very stripped down to go cross-platform, it's really not leveraging the capability of the engine, or PC hardware.  Extremely held back by the business model here.

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Watching the sonic game footages so far, Seems like the color mastering in game are messed up.

If feels like, they tuned it for a REAALLy high brightness.  But what we're seeing is a detuned muted version of it.

Researching further, it looks like they "removed" HDR support from the advertisement a month ago.


For testing, Tp4 cranked his TV as much as possible, pushing to 400 nits or so, the colors of the track finally come alive.


So it seems, the visuals are NOT-well-mastered , again, probably due to multi-platform /hdr/yes/no issue, resulting in lack of polish.



Hades II,  perfect colors.

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Also, sonic crossworld music is pretty jank/ messed up. It sounds like a jumble and sped up.

[noisyturtle]

Crossworlds is really good (only played demo), I think it is more fun than Mario Kart World

Hades 2 is still in development and I won't buy till 1.0

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Sonic demo, gameplay feels like,  boop , boop , booop, boop boop, bop, hrrrrrghhhh, boop, pshhhew pshew. beeeeee...

The music is what's really messing it up, most of it sounds like it's on fast forward. Feels weird, can't get into the rhythm.

The handling is more reasonable this time around vs racing transformed. 

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Tp4 is 93% sure he wants to buy Hades 2.

But fear of missing out on Sonic Crosswurl 7%.    If sonic crosswurl had 120fps, that would tip the scale further, but the 60fps limit is holding Tp4 back.

[noisyturtle]

What about POE2?

[Halverson]

Crossworlds is really good (only played demo), I think it is more fun than Mario Kart World

Hades 2 is still in development and I won't buy till 1.0

Steam says it's out as of Sep.25 though?

[noisyturtle]

Crossworlds is really good (only played demo), I think it is more fun than Mario Kart World

Hades 2 is still in development and I won't buy till 1.0

Steam says it's out as of Sep.25 though?

oh shizz you're right!

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Can't decide.

Heavily leaning Hades 2, but FOMO Son1(.

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I mean, if you really think about it, Hades 2 is vamp survivr with better graphics, and manageable dodging.

It can't be bad.

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Does hades 2 take alot of focus to play with the dodges?

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Borrowed friend's account to do some test runs of hades 2.

Ok, soooo. early game, yea it is pretty stressful.   No eyepain "yet". 

Vampire survivor caused MAJOR eye pain 4 TP, but the Tp4 believes it's mainly because of how small the elements that you need to pay attention to are.

The elements are much bigger in hades2.

Now, it still requires ALOT of focus to play well, because you have to know the enemy's projectile type and how to space yourself.


The best early build is clearly to go for the beam, cuz it's spam-able and you get the 40 units of armor while you wait which most early game enemys will not blow through.



Surprisingly demanding on the GPU if you want to run it at max throughput. The engine can pull all the jigrwattz.

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Not totally addicted.  But probably.

God damn, them skull granades. Pew pew pew pew. Taking alot of damage on recover grab though.

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/Convinced.

This is a fantastic game.  Almost no eye strain vs Vampyr survivor.

Art Direction is good. Looks AI-y buhhh oh well, it's probably going to be like this going forward.


Lots of replayability.


Performance is very good. Seems like the engine isn't 1000% rock solid on frames, but pretty darn solid.

The internal superscaler doesn't look as good as if you let the GPU do it.


For example, if you enable super resolution, and select 7840x4320, it renders that, but using the internal scaler, some aspects of the "Line Art" are too thick around their fingers/arms/legs, so the characters look bloated.

You can also see a bit of blurring from the internal scalar. Now, if you set desktop to 7840x4320, then the Game does not scale internally, it sends the full res to the GPU, and the GPU scales now,  This creates a much cleaner picture. The black line art have much better definition, you can especially see this around fingers. Where the shoulder meets the body also looks svelt, whereas the internal made it look blotchy.

The game runs up to 360. Anything above 200 will have minimal input lag even if the GPU is maxed out. However, if things get too busy, this can easily dip to 150, where you can feel those 30-40ms spikes.  End of the world no, but maybe a sensible mid res is better. Still testing.

The faces are also clearer on middle resolutions like 5-7K using the GPU scaler vs in-engine.

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Yup. double convinced. Hades 2 ftw. No game is as well balanced as this.

[noisyturtle]

I agree w/ you about the base music in Sonic, idk why they went w/ that trash when they have a huge library of amazing Sonic music from the past 30+ years.
But there are a TON of music tracks to unlock from previous games

[tp4tissue]

There are literally 0 problems with Hades 2, 

I mean, mayyybe if they had a more optimized way to damage calculations which don't dip frames as much? But this can be overcome with even faster processors.

Overall, it's just flat out great. It's fun, it's not exhausting, it's not Annoying (rpg) in anyway.

[noisyturtle]

Hades was too reliant on emotional relationships garbage. Everyone is dating each other, or horny for someone else in the game, or has a past relationship. The entire thing felt like an LGBT webcomic made by a highschooler.
So boring. So predictable. So unrelatable.

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Ok minor, minorrrr drawback.

It seems some of the games CGI effects do not scale to the max render resolution.

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OMG, why they make Tp4 choose this.  Hammer vs Moon, Impossible to decide.

[noisyturtle]

OMG, why they make Tp4 choose this.  Hammer vs Moon, Impossible to decide.

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The Moon and the Sledgehammer - a really weird documentary from the 70s

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Hades 2 runs, Decent, on 4790k(4.8ghz)+1060(2100mhz), 2560x1440 @ 240-360fps

The problem seems to be that it's cpu bound in places, so going down to 1080p isn't worth it.

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Ok, so testing Hades 2, on win10, 4790k, there is a 1-2% performance difference between HardwareAcceleratedGpuScheduling Off vs On.

So it seeeeems, in CPU bound scenarios, old chips may be better off with HAGS turned Off. Reproducible +5fps @220-225fps range over multiple trial.

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Tp4, How addicted are you to Hades 2?

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OMGomGomgomg. Unstoppable, single boon.

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OMG,  this lil dude,  His DPS is INSANE, if Typhon spawns him while you have Hera + Nightbloom = Instant win.   

It's faster than even the crazy annoying javelin guys.  He just flys around and go papapapapapapapa.

He's so fast, you can sit there just dodging, and he'll end the game for you.

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Just had a run,  Got +40% crit chance on Hex, got wolf-howl maxed out, Just non stop leaps, you also get 100% crit on the second +1 leap. You're basically invincible because it's only 80 mana to reload, and you get 30 shield on deploy.

Was using Coat, and it out ranges most enemies. It has +20% speed base, then boons + 20% +20% +10%. Nothing can catch you, just flying around, lockon, fly around, charge attack block, fly around, deploy wolf howl..

Weakness is base damage, but who cares, you got wolf howl.  It's much more consistent, because the AI won't catch you. Whereas the other hexes that hit harder, like lunar ray+artemis godsent, or total eclipse, these are much more dangerous and less consistent due to positioning.  Wolf Howl can always reposition, and the range is almost anywhere on the visible screen.


It can be argued, the strongest element in the game are actually walls, because they're indestructible, and if you play around walls, you can stop the most dangerous enemies, because they don't have a counter routine besides bigger area-damages, which are telegraphed.