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Offline tinlong117

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why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 06:29:45 »
I mean, it's off-topic. Troll posts should be allowed.

edit; I think that mod is a bigger troll than those threads. "Thanks for playing".
« Last Edit: Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:26:14 by tinlong117 »

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 06:44:12 »
it's still a troll thread
in other words afaik:
this is not a trolling forum so of course they'll be locked, but they're still allowed for a while, if they weren't allowed at all there'd be greater consequences
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:03:19 »
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:10:15 »
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:13:20 »
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

x2. MW gave the mods more than enough reasons to ban him, I just want confirmation.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 09:28:43 »
Because even in off topic the thread has a topic. You can't just join a thread and be like that guy " **** her right in da ****"

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:36:21 »
MW is one of my favorites.  I appreciate his ironic humor.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:49:36 »
Why were the threads locked in the first place? It would be nice if mods at least posted some reason for why people are banned, threads locked, etc. -- a little more transparency wouldn't hurt.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:52:25 »
It looks like it started out with locking "controversial" threads started mainly by MW, after they started to get testy. But then it quickly went out of control and it seemed like any thread discussing politics or social issues was getting near enough immediately locked, even though the conversation with civil enough. Yeah, maybe the threads were started with somewhat disingenuous intent, but the actual posts were fine, and the locking is getting ridiculous, frankly.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:55:30 »
A lot of people have been asking for more transparency.

Something is telling me the mods are conveniently "not reading" said requests...
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:04:03 »
According to the Terms of Service that we all agree to by way of participating on this forum, you have no rights to your posts/threads being allowed to exist.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:04:22 »
A lot of people have been asking for more transparency.

Something is telling me the mods are conveniently "not reading" said requests...

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:09:40 »
Maybe it was the electric chair is back thread?
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:09:50 »
Why were the threads locked in the first place? It would be nice if mods at least posted some reason for why people are banned, threads locked, etc. -- a little more transparency wouldn't hurt.

I love most of the mods and mean this in no negative way but the vibe I get is they just don't have time.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:16:42 »
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

x2. MW gave the mods more than enough reasons to ban him, I just want confirmation.

RIP IE6 and Win98.

MW finally got banned?  Well, I am not shocked.

If your only purpose on this forum is to make troll posts, why are you even here?  MW never added anything positive.  He wasn't funny or controversial.  Just a troll.  Every day.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:18:21 »
He really was extraordinarily boring.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:24:03 »
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

x2. MW gave the mods more than enough reasons to ban him, I just want confirmation.

RIP IE6 and Win98.

MW finally got banned?  Well, I am not shocked.

If your only purpose on this forum is to make troll posts, why are you even here?  MW never added anything positive.  He wasn't funny or controversial.  Just a troll.  Every day.

You're wrong..   I found his take on the world Hilarious...

His bliss exists in embracing retro machines and living off nostalgia.. 

He's quite the interesting character...


While, I find Eth0s to be primarily whine-y and make complaints about things that don't even affect him...

If Eth0s doesn't like MW's posts,  there's the mute button, press it, and be on your way..


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Where does it go?


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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:30:30 »
He really was extraordinarily boring.

Maybe if he came up with some better material. After a while all the IE6 and Win98 posts got REALLY old...

And remember what happened last time they banned him? He created a new account, they IP banned him, so he logged on from several different IPs before the admins/mods finally gave up and unbanned him.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:31:42 »
He really was extraordinarily boring.

Maybe if he came up with some better material. After a while all the IE6 and Win98 posts got REALLY old...

And remember what happened last time they banned him? He created a new account, they IP banned him, so he logged on from several different IPs before the admins/mods finally gave up and unbanned him.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:34:28 »
I could be on my own here but I always found MS' posts to be annoying as hell and added little to nothing to the forum.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:37:21 »
I could be on my own here but I always found MS' posts to be annoying as hell and added little to nothing to the forum.

yea.. but what's the problem...  hit mute... then... done...

it's not the post themselves that are interesting...   WHY does he do what he does... THAT is quite interesting...

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:39:16 »
I could be on my own here but I always found MS' posts to be annoying as hell and added little to nothing to the forum.

I agree, especially when he posted in legitimate threads with absolutely nothing to contribute to it.

In his own threads though, they weren't really hurting anybody... added nothing to the forum, annoying as hell, but not hurting anybody.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:51:49 »
According to the Terms of Service that we all agree to by way of participating on this forum, you have no rights to your posts/threads being allowed to exist.

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Sounds like the definition of tyranny right there.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:08:56 »
According to the Terms of Service that we all agree to by way of participating on this forum, you have no rights to your posts/threads being allowed to exist.

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Sounds like the definition of tyranny right there.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:13:02 »
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:15:00 »
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:27:39 »
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:36:12 »
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME!

I find Deskthority rather lightly moderated.  If I want to say something offensive or be offended, I go over there.

Please, give me the chance. If you time it right, I'm sure I can offend you. You must always be waiting for the right time, though, as said offensive material won't be up for long.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:39:57 »
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME!

I find Deskthority rather lightly moderated.  If I want to say something offensive or be offended, I go over there.

Please, give me the chance. If you time it right, I'm sure I can offend you. You must always be waiting for the right time, though, as said offensive material won't be up for long.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:06:32 »
The off-topic forum is not a free-for-all.  The forum rules still apply.  The threads that have been locked were very clearly intended to incite argument and drama (i.e., trolling).  MW and the1onewolf have dramatically ramped up the noise recently.  Locking their threads was intended to squelch them a bit, both because the threads were going off the rails and because it's against the rules to spam the forum with garbage.

I went through a ton of off-topic threads last night that were recently posted by MW and the1onewolf, closing some and leaving others (and even posting in some).  This was not a blanket action but has been specifically targeted at particular threads.

MW has been temp-banned, and I'm sure he'll be back.  He's already attempted to create a second account to circumvent the ban, which is also against the rules.  Transparent enough for you?

Remember that (1) we are under-staffed and (2)  the mods are volunteers with lives and family and school and work just like everyone.  Those of you who know me personally through skype or IRC or whatever know that I am always open to discussing this stuff.  This thread is totally valid and TBH I expected someone to post something like it, but frankly we don't have the time or the obligation in general to justify all moderator actions publicly.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:08:34 »
Why are profiles not showing warning levels anymore?

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:13:04 »
Why are profiles not showing warning levels anymore?

Not sure, I think that may have been a bug to begin with?  Possibly it got removed when we updated the software at some point.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:17:07 »
Most forums show ban status on the profiles. This is really wierd that smf is not.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:18:08 »
I agree that a "banned" flag in the avatar would be helpful.  Not sure if that's just how SMF is, or whether we can configure it to do that.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:19:15 »
Thanks hashbaz

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:31:58 »
The off-topic forum is not a free-for-all.  The forum rules still apply.  The threads that have been locked were very clearly intended to incite argument and drama (i.e., trolling).  MW and the1onewolf have dramatically ramped up the noise recently.  Locking their threads was intended to squelch them a bit, both because the threads were going off the rails and because it's against the rules to spam the forum with garbage.

I went through a ton of off-topic threads last night that were recently posted by MW and the1onewolf, closing some and leaving others (and even posting in some).  This was not a blanket action but has been specifically targeted at particular threads.

MW has been temp-banned, and I'm sure he'll be back.  He's already attempted to create a second account to circumvent the ban, which is also against the rules.  Transparent enough for you?

Remember that (1) we are under-staffed and (2)  the mods are volunteers with lives and family and school and work just like everyone.  Those of you who know me personally through skype or IRC or whatever know that I am always open to discussing this stuff.  This thread is totally valid and TBH I expected someone to post something like it, but frankly we don't have the time or the obligation in general to justify all moderator actions publicly.

I'm not really that bothered by the whole locking threads thing, or feel the moderators really have to justify themselves with things like that, but I do think it was poor judgement and killjoy behavior, to be honest.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:37:30 »
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:39:10 »
Nubbs gets it.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:59:42 »
Sounds like the definition of tyranny right there.

Agreed -- but it's supposed to be a benevolent dictatorship! If GH were run like a democracy, we wouldn't last very long. And I think GH largely is a benevolent dictatorship, but it wouldn't hurt to build something into the forum that makes mod decisions and rulings visible. Because when they're not visible, then that void gets filled up with paranoia: mysterious thread lockings, vanishing forum members, etc.

How hard would it be to make moderator actions automatically log to a forum someplace? Then when someone gets banned, we know the who, when and why. (checks log) Demik's been banned again? Why? Oh, he told X to put what where? -- ok, wow, now I see why. And we can get on with our lives. I'd even go so far as a system that issues warnings/demerits -- and also logs it for all to see. Then mods have something between (do nothing) and (launch nukes - ban and/or lock thread). Poke the tiger, it snarls, poke it again, it snarls again, poke it again and THEN you get mauled. We have great members, some of them just need to be properly domesticated.  :thumb: Not broken, just domesticated, taught to use their inside voices, etc.

SMF 2.0 may already have a warning/infraction system in place already, we may just have to enable it. It even has a feature that allows the warning level to automatically decrement over time. How about using that system?

I never had a problem with MW's off-topic posts. If it was on a topic I didn't care to comment on, I passed it by. If the topic were about the intracies of MX-compatible switch terminology, and he would come flying in with an advertisement for Win98, it just made me laugh; I didn't really find it bothersome -- akin to someone streaking through a sporting event. It made me imagine some guy for whom the year 2000 just never arrived. Is it disruptive? Sure, but in a good way.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:02:03 »
I take it you've never been warned? That system is already in place.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:03:35 »
I take it you've never been warned? That system is already in place.

I've never been warned, no. Hopefully, never.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:06:19 »
So, when a person is warned, there is a section in that person's profile saying as much. Only the person (as well as moderators, of course) can see the reason for the warning, but everyone else can see the percentage. If you're 60%+ in warning, you're muted until you drop to 55%. You drop at a rate of 5% per 24 hours.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:07:57 »
Also, you can be temporarily banned without the warning system being touched, thus some people seem to disappear even without their profile reflecting that.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:10:09 »
Also, you can be temporarily banned without the warning system being touched, thus some people seem to disappear even without their profile reflecting that.

Like demik.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:10:46 »
Demik has been warned and muted many times, as has MW.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:11:55 »
I mean that it doesn't show warning level on his profile.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:12:09 »
I'm not saying these people have never been warned. I'm saying that it's possible for someone to be temp-banned and not have any warning status.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:13:55 »
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.


I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.
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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:16:13 »
I'm not saying these people have never been warned. I'm saying that it's possible for someone to be temp-banned and not have any warning status.

Ah, got it.

I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.

I agree in general.  This was my view of MW for a long time.  But if you look through his post history you'll see he is clearly escalating and has been spamming OT with threads recently.  It's only good fun up to a point.

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Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:21:47 »

I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.

I don't mind it in moderation.  In fact, I'd say it's necessary sometimes; however, they were flooding.  That will get you banned almost anywhere. 

If you're going to troll, do one good troll instead of 50 ****ty ones, especially if they're all in the span of two days.