Elliot Rodger Killer (Has this been posted already?)

[Malphas]

If I was American I would be worried about it and trying to find out the actual root cause and how to solve it. I don't think you can blame gun laws as if someone is intent on killing someone else or many people, they will find a way.

which is precisely the case of this topic.

Strange, I thought the point of the topic was for malph to openly laugh at a disabled person who would then go on to murder a bunch of people...

Oh please, the entire Internet is laughing at this guy, and for good reason.

[paicrai]

If I was American I would be worried about it and trying to find out the actual root cause and how to solve it. I don't think you can blame gun laws as if someone is intent on killing someone else or many people, they will find a way.

which is precisely the case of this topic.

Strange, I thought the point of the topic was for malph to openly laugh at a disabled person who would then go on to murder a bunch of people...

Oh please, the entire Internet is laughing at this guy, and for good reason.

because he's an entitled ****, not because of the spergs

[Malphas]

More like 50/50.

[baldgye]

If I was American I would be worried about it and trying to find out the actual root cause and how to solve it. I don't think you can blame gun laws as if someone is intent on killing someone else or many people, they will find a way.

which is precisely the case of this topic.

Strange, I thought the point of the topic was for malph to openly laugh at a disabled person who would then go on to murder a bunch of people...

Oh please, the entire Internet is laughing at this guy, and for good reason.

Oh please, I was right?

[paicrai]

at least we know 4chan isn't laughing (for ****ing once) because they're megasensitive sperglords

[Malphas]

If I was American I would be worried about it and trying to find out the actual root cause and how to solve it. I don't think you can blame gun laws as if someone is intent on killing someone else or many people, they will find a way.

which is precisely the case of this topic.

Strange, I thought the point of the topic was for malph to openly laugh at a disabled person who would then go on to murder a bunch of people...

Oh please, the entire Internet is laughing at this guy, and for good reason.

Oh please, I was right?

Considering I literally said exactly that in the OP, yes. Don't like it? Out of my thread!

[baldgye]

If I was American I would be worried about it and trying to find out the actual root cause and how to solve it. I don't think you can blame gun laws as if someone is intent on killing someone else or many people, they will find a way.

which is precisely the case of this topic.

Strange, I thought the point of the topic was for malph to openly laugh at a disabled person who would then go on to murder a bunch of people...

Oh please, the entire Internet is laughing at this guy, and for good reason.

Oh please, I was right?

Considering I literally said exactly that in the OP, yes. Don't like it? Out of my thread!

Are you high?
Someone (I thought) questioned me on the topic of the thread and I corrected them, you then quoted me basically saying I was right in my post and added nothing else... and now you want me out of your thread? wtf son

[Malphas]

at least we know 4chan isn't laughing (for ****ing once) because they're megasensitive sperglords

Yes, they probably all identify with him too much, due to being hopeless losers. As did some people here, which I honestly didn't expect from this place.

[Puddsy]

Mental illness education needs to be a world standard. This whole thread physically hurts to read.

This is what an EXTREME case of Asperger's looks like. All mental illnesses have a spectrum (Autism spectrum, anyone?), and ER's case was on the farthest end of extreme. People with Asperger's can certainly be "successful" in our western sense of the word (one of the smartest people I know has it), but as you go further down the spectrum they get less and less sociable, angrier, and other nasty things. ER was one of the worst cases I've seen of ASP (my shorthand name for Asperger's).

Now, paicrai's argument of "he's an entitled ****" (by the way, I wish you'd be a little more polite, that goes for everyone) is not directly a part of ASP (though it can be, in rare cases). His entitlement was probably from delusions of grandeur, one of the most crippling things someone can have. You feel like you should have everything, and nothing satisfies your wants/needs. This is similar to the feeling one gets when high on cocaine. When ASP and DoG (what an ironically pleasant name for something so awful) combine, it generally ends poorly.

I'm not an expert and I could be wrong on some things, but this is how I see it.

Can we be done with this thread now? This is probably exactly the reaction that ER wanted.

P.S. You guys are being really mean for no reason. Have some respect for those of us with mental illness. They're real problems that ignored thanks to people like you.

[Malphas]

Yeah, but regardless of what mental illnesses he had, he would have been aware that killing people is wrong. He lost all entitlement to sympathy or not being made fun of when he went out shooting people. I'm sure lots of mass murderers, serial killers/rapists, genocidal dictators, etc. had mental illnesses, but they're still deplorable.

[Krogenar]

Yeah, but regardless of what mental illnesses he had, he would have been aware that killing people is wrong. He lost all entitlement to sympathy or not being made fun of when he went out shooting people. I'm sure lots of mass murderers, serial killers/rapists, genocidal dictators, etc. had mental illnesses, but they're still deplorable.

Sometimes, Malphas, we agree -- but on this I think you're being unfair. Mental illness is very real, and there are cases in which they are not truly responsible for their actions. The actions themselves are still deplorable and horrible -- but sometimes mental illness makes it impossible for some people to make the proper decision. Not theoretically impossible -- impossible, period.

A good example: Charles Whitman, the Ken State sniper. This is a guy who suddenly developed an overwhelming sense of hostility and fear -- and to his horror, realized it was happened. From his wiki entry:

Investigation related to visits to medical personnel
Prescription vials at Whitman's home.

Investigating officers found that Whitman had visited several University doctors in the year prior to the shootings, who had prescribed him various medications. Whitman had seen a minimum of five doctors between the fall and winter of 1965, before he had visited a psychiatrist (he received no prescription from the latter). He was prescribed Valium by Dr. Jan Cochrum, who recommended he visit the campus psychiatrist.[32]

Whitman met with Maurice Dean Heatly, the staff psychiatrist at the University of Texas Health Center, on March 29, 1966.[91] Whitman referred to his visit with Heatly in his final suicide note. He said, "I talked with a Doctor once for about two hours and tried to convey to him my fears that I felt come [sic] overwhelming violent impulses. After one visit, I never saw the Doctor again, and since then have been fighting my mental turmoil alone, and seemingly to no avail."[38]

During Whitman's command of the tower, the university learned that the shooter might have been a student. Once his identity was released, officials conducted a search of Whitman's records and found that Whitman had visited the University Health Center on several occasions. The University did not release the medical records and academic history of Whitman at the University of Texas, citing legal and ethical issues.[92] The only medical record released was that of Dr. Heatly, who did so once it became known to the press that Whitman had visited him prior to the shootings.

Dr. Heatly's notes on the visit reflected Whitman's own comments about feeling hostility:

    This massive, muscular youth seemed to be oozing with hostility [...] that something seemed to be happening to him and that he didn't seem to be himself.

Dr. Heatly also referred to a statement by Whitman:

    He readily admits having overwhelming periods of hostility with a very minimum of provocation. Repeated inquiries attempting to analyze his exact experiences were not too successful with the exception of his vivid reference to 'thinking about going up on the tower with a deer rifle and start shooting people'.[93]

After attending just one session with Dr. Heatly, Whitman never visited him again.

He knew something was wrong -- Whitman, in his suicide note, request an autopsy to find out what was wrong with him. So... it's okay to feel sympathy for someone like Whitman, or Elliot Rodger -- in fact, maybe a more sympathetic world could have made a difference and prevented the rampage?

[hashbaz]

Yeah, but regardless of what mental illnesses he had, he would have been aware that killing people is wrong. He lost all entitlement to sympathy or not being made fun of when he went out shooting people. I'm sure lots of mass murderers, serial killers/rapists, genocidal dictators, etc. had mental illnesses, but they're still deplorable.

I can feel sympathy for his pain and simultaneously feel disgust and anger at his actions.

It's not that hard for, you know, a normal person.

[Malphas]

You can certainly feel sympathetic for him if you want, I just think it's a bit absurd to expect everyone else to as well, or not to find humour in the pathetic behavior displayed in his videos.

[Malphas]

[hashbaz]

The sympathy I feel is more for the future Eliot Rodgers who are suffering now and may eventually boil over as he did.  They need help, and it's apparent that our culture is not good at providing it.

And yeah, the video taken by itself is pretty funny.  But just as you lose the capacity for sympathy based on later events, I don't find it funny given that he actually did what he threatened to do.

[ferociousfingerings]

There are potentially millions more "elliot rodgers" out there.

This is not an isolated instance of the plethora of negative and unfavorable conditions, to which he was involuntarily and inevitably, and most importantly, ceaselessly, exposed.

You push ANYONE hard enough, far enough, for long enough, they WILL snap, regardless of your opinion of their reasoning/motivation.

You convince someone that all they'll ever be allowed to experience is various versions of unending torment... they'll say "F*** it!" and behave destructively... because why would anyone try not to damage a world (or its inhabitants) that has ALWAYS damaged them? (this is partly a perception and subjective, individual experience issue...)

I've been to that same edge myself a few times. I've even been close enough that, had i possessed the means to make a big enough "dent," i'd have used them. Luckily, i've always struggled with the long term impacts of an insufficient earning potential, due to the decisions made by others, for themselves, which lacked the consideration of how those decisions (by others) would negatively impact my environment.

We are all products of our environments; the only way you can shift the ratio enough to have "control," (i.e., to choose one's own life parameters), is to be able to amass enough resources to be able to control other people's actions/decisions, or alternatively, remove them and their impacts entirely from your chosen environment.

"Do or get done." If you can't control what's happening around you (including other people), then you will be exposed to whatever your environment ends up putting on you. Sometimes there is no way to gain control, and no way to escape.

Instead of fixing that problem, people want to cry "monster!" ...even though, yes, our society "created" such a monster... and he's absolutely not the only one. There are many out there, right now, just waiting for the last straw to land on the camel's back.

I feel sorry for the dude, and his victims. I don't think he "deserved" the life that pushed him toward his actions, and i don't think his victims "deserved" to pay for what he couldn't handle.

The whole thing just sucks... but that's pretty typical for Earth and Humans, from what i've seen.

[baldgye]

What has been the fallout of this event and video's coming out been?

[hashbaz]

... I just think it's a bit absurd to expect everyone else to as well...

I guess the main thing is that the stance you are taking in this thread surprises me.  You are usually generous and nuanced in your positions on social and political issues.  This feels very absolute, knee-jerk, and emotional.

[jdcarpe]

I think the main problem with people like Rodger, as ferociousfingerings pointed out above, is the sense of entitlement which is somehow engrained upon their psyche from a young age. No one other than yourself controls your destiny. If you want to be successful and acquire material wealth, you must work toward that goal and pursue it relentlessly. No one is going to just hand you the keys to success. If you are a man who wants to have "success" with women, you must be willing to put in the effort to meet and date the women you find attractive. They aren't just going to throw themselves at you.

Our young generation has grown up thinking they are special, that they are all winners because each one receives an award in a competition, rather than being forced to face reality. Every action you take has a consequence. Accept responsibility for your own actions, and expect the same of others.

I blame the so-called parents of these young people for their downfall, rather than their environment or society. Parents today want their children to be raised by the educational system, rather than taking on the responsibility themselves. Being a parent is hard work, and it means that you aren't always going to be your child's best friend. That's what many fail to grasp, because they want so badly to be loved by their children. So rather than teaching their children the hard lessons of life, and how to grow up and be responsible adults, they choose not to teach their children how to deal with the challenges life will most certainly bring. They expect that somehow the educational system should be teaching their children everything they need to know in life. Well, let me clue you in to the truth...the educational system cannot and should not be expected to do that. We should send our children to school to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic, along with some basic social skills from their interactions with other children. And we as parents should teach our children how to be responsible adults. Until that happens, our society will continue to decline, and tragedies like this will continue unabated.

[Lanx]

he was a emo kid that couldn't get laid. he was a young white male privileged enough to travel the world, have a bmw car, have nice toys like video cameras to record his rants and menifesto on youtube... he was basically showered with money and not love.

by all accounts, he's not ugly, he seems like he's in good health, he ain't got no gut, he seems well groomed, and while some of us guys will think that he has a closet gay look, that twilight sparkly look is "in" with girls his age.

so what was his problem?

he's just crazy.

that's it, plain crazy.

[katushkin]

I think he is just plain crazy. Some people can't handle rejection, and that's fine, but to go this far when you have only experience a maximum of what, six years of rejection? If he was middle aged, then maybe I would have sympathy. But you should just get on with your life. Relationships aren't everything, and so what if you get rejected. There is someone out there for everyone, if you give it enough time.

As for how funny it is, I thought the only funny part was when someone from 4chan convinced the Daily Mail that this skinny kid was hooked on creatine.

[noisyturtle]

You know who he reminds me of?

Patrick Bateman.

[katushkin]

You know who he reminds me of?

Patrick Bateman.

Mmm, I suppose. Just minus the lifting and the naked women.

[noisyturtle]

You know who he reminds me of?

Patrick Bateman.

Just minus the naked women.

Obviously

[daerid]

WARNING: Major ranting to follow.

I cannot believe what I'm reading here. This thread physically makes me nauseous. Seriously.. what the **** is wrong with you people?

This guy KILLED 7 PEOPLE. He ****ING MURDERED THEM. And he gets sympathy. He gets empathy. He gets people saying "poor kid".

**** all that noise. He was a ****ing MONSTER.

Look, I understand he had issues. I know what it's like to be paralyzed with terror at the prospect of going up to an attractive woman and trying to talk to her. I know what it's like to not have a single girl ask you out during your entire high school career. ****'s rough. But you don't ****ing kill people, I don't care how ****ed up your upbringing is.

And now he's famous. He's all anybody can talk about. It makes me sick.

The problem with our society is we coddle these monsters way too much. So much so that when contemplating committing atrocities like this, it becomes easier to rationalize because "hey, everybody'll just think I'm mentally unstable and will try to understand me, that's not so bad".

As humans we've got the greatest evolutionary gift ever: sentience, intelligence, reason. We actually can understand the concept of cause and effect. And now all we're doing is trying so hard to negate that by forcing this idea that people aren't responsible for their own actions, if they're bad enough.

Wanna smoke some pot? **** you, you're going to jail.
Wanna shoot up a movie theatre or a school full of kids? Sure, you're going to jail. But you also get to be famous and "justified" because of external factors like your upbringing, rather than your own ****ing decisions.

****. That.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

PS: I'm not religious at all, but I do believe in evil.

[Frenir]

WARNING: Major ranting to follow.

I cannot believe what I'm reading here. This thread physically makes me nauseous. Seriously.. what the **** is wrong with you people?

This guy KILLED 7 PEOPLE. He ****ING MURDERED THEM. And he gets sympathy. He gets empathy. He gets people saying "poor kid".

**** all that noise. He was a ****ing MONSTER.

Look, I understand he had issues. I know what it's like to be paralyzed with terror at the prospect of going up to an attractive woman and trying to talk to her. I know what it's like to not have a single girl ask you out during your entire high school career. ****'s rough. But you don't ****ing kill people, I don't care how ****ed up your upbringing is.

And now he's famous. He's all anybody can talk about. It makes me sick.

The problem with our society is we coddle these monsters way too much. So much so that when contemplating committing atrocities like this, it becomes easier to rationalize because "hey, everybody'll just think I'm mentally unstable and will try to understand me, that's not so bad".

As humans we've got the greatest evolutionary gift ever: sentience, intelligence, reason. We actually can understand the concept of cause and effect. And now all we're doing is trying so hard to negate that by forcing this idea that people aren't responsible for their own actions, if they're bad enough.

Wanna smoke some pot? **** you, you're going to jail.
Wanna shoot up a movie theatre or a school full of kids? Sure, you're going to jail. But you also get to be famous and "justified" because of external factors like your upbringing, rather than your own ****ing decisions.

****. That.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

PS: I'm not religious at all, but I do believe in evil.

His decisions would also be affected by his upbringing I would suppose, but overall I get what you mean and I agree.

[Lanx]

i don't think anyone is giving this kid sympathy, if they are, they're just stoopid.

news is just twisted to suit more controversy and internet traffic.

look at this, a washington post journalist

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/elliot-rodger-isla-vista-shooting-seth-rogen-horrified-at-critics-suggestion-his-work-inspired-mass-murderers-rampage-against-women-9437969.html

by all accounts, i guess the washington post is a respected newspaper, i mean it's not a blog at least.

there probably is already a video game violence article in the works, (didn't he ask his mom to buy him halo 2?) Halo 5 just had a press release.

what confuses me is

"Rodger stabbed his three flatmates, before fatally shooting two women outside a sorority house.

He then shot a man inside the IV Deli Mart and drove around the streets in his black BMW, shooting wildly at pedestrians. He turned the gun on himself during a gun battle with deputies.

All six victims have been named by police: the three men stabbed to death were identified as George Chen, 19, Cheng Yuan Hong, 20, and Weihan Wang, 20. The three people shot were named as Katie Cooper, 22,  Veronkia Weiss, 19, and Christopher Michael-Martinez, 20."

how does one white boy live with 3 asians? what was the deal there?

and why was he sharing a flat with 3 other ppl? his family was well off, he could just have his own apt.

why did he also have to just stab his flatmates? they were all guys.

again crazy is just crazy.

[vivalarevolución]

at least we know 4chan isn't laughing (for ****ing once) because they're megasensitive sperglords

Yes, they probably all identify with him too much, due to being hopeless losers. As did some people here, which I honestly didn't expect from this place.

I find it unwise to call people losers, because I am not exactly sure what makes a person qualify as a loser.  It's something you call somebody when you want to feel better and more accomplished than someone.

But the most hopeless person on this thread has proven to be you.

[tp4tissue]

WARNING: Major ranting to follow.

I cannot believe what I'm reading here. This thread physically makes me nauseous. Seriously.. what the **** is wrong with you people?

This guy KILLED 7 PEOPLE. He ****ING MURDERED THEM. And he gets sympathy. He gets empathy. He gets people saying "poor kid".

**** all that noise. He was a ****ing MONSTER.

Look, I understand he had issues. I know what it's like to be paralyzed with terror at the prospect of going up to an attractive woman and trying to talk to her. I know what it's like to not have a single girl ask you out during your entire high school career. ****'s rough. But you don't ****ing kill people, I don't care how ****ed up your upbringing is.

And now he's famous. He's all anybody can talk about. It makes me sick.

The problem with our society is we coddle these monsters way too much. So much so that when contemplating committing atrocities like this, it becomes easier to rationalize because "hey, everybody'll just think I'm mentally unstable and will try to understand me, that's not so bad".

As humans we've got the greatest evolutionary gift ever: sentience, intelligence, reason. We actually can understand the concept of cause and effect. And now all we're doing is trying so hard to negate that by forcing this idea that people aren't responsible for their own actions, if they're bad enough.

Wanna smoke some pot? **** you, you're going to jail.
Wanna shoot up a movie theatre or a school full of kids? Sure, you're going to jail. But you also get to be famous and "justified" because of external factors like your upbringing, rather than your own ****ing decisions.

****. That.

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

PS: I'm not religious at all, but I do believe in evil.

It's not about sympathy and empathy..

I am merely attempting to convey that he is a composition of congenital psychological disorder  and  Traumatic human circumstances..

And from that we should not simply Condemn and dismiss...  Because THAT is how you let problems persist.. refusing to understand the origin..

It is NOT simply that he's a nut case..    no nut-case was so simply that...

external influences always plays a role....


It's not about saving one person..   It's about improving conditions such that we lower the odds of producing another  Elliot..


People like Malphas (not Malphas, but similarly short sighted and ignorant) was largely responsible for creating Elliot Rodgers..   

Many of the traumatizing social interactions described in Elliot's memoir points squarely at  Malphas-like personalities.. 



again,  No one here is saying that they truly identify with Elliot,   they're saying yes, we see why that happened the way it did...

[jdcarpe]

@Lanx: I'm not sure why he was living with three other guys, but he was definitely Asian himself. His mother's last name is Chin.

[Krogenar]

I cannot believe what I'm reading here. This thread physically makes me nauseous. Seriously.. what the **** is wrong with you people?

This guy KILLED 7 PEOPLE. He ****ING MURDERED THEM. And he gets sympathy. He gets empathy. He gets people saying "poor kid".

**** all that noise. He was a ****ing MONSTER.

The problem with just labeling someone a monster and moving on is -- there's nothing else to be done. Monsters are evil, and we should hate evil. But I don't think that's going to stop the next mentally unstable person from finally cracking up. Maybe empathy for them won't stop these sorts of people, but how can it hurt? This kid felt very much an outsider -- it doesn't justify what he did, at all -- but a little empathy could help. When something like this happens, I always wonder, "what if someone, at a crucial juncture in this person's life, shown him or her some kindness?" Would it have tipped this person back towards sanity?

Look, I understand he had issues. I know what it's like to be paralyzed with terror at the prospect of going up to an attractive woman and trying to talk to her. I know what it's like to not have a single girl ask you out during your entire high school career. ****'s rough. But you don't ****ing kill people, I don't care how ****ed up your upbringing is.

You're right -- nothing like what he described justifies murder. And I don't know for certain he had mental problems, but he sure looks like he had serious mental problems. And I can't help but feel sorry for someone like that -- the preening, the narcissism -- that's a show. This kid felt the opposite of all that -- and that makes me sad for him.

The problem with our society is we coddle these monsters way too much. So much so that when contemplating committing atrocities like this, it becomes easier to rationalize because "hey, everybody'll just think I'm mentally unstable and will try to understand me, that's not so bad".

America has always had a hard-on for criminals, murderers, etc. -- and I agree with you completely that America has a problem with reality stars, etc. Pop went the Culture.  The only way to change that is to change the channel.

As humans we've got the greatest evolutionary gift ever: sentience, intelligence, reason. We actually can understand the concept of cause and effect. And now all we're doing is trying so hard to negate that by forcing this idea that people aren't responsible for their own actions, if they're bad enough.

Correction: if they're sick enough. If you constantly hear voices telling you kill people, and a tumor in your cranium is pressing on your amygdala, I'm sorry -- but you're not in full possession of the gifts you describe: sentience, intelligence and reason.

[Lanx]

@Lanx: I'm not sure why he was living with three other guys, but he was definitely Asian himself. His mother's last name is Chin.

oh that's just great, a half asian hatin on full blooded asians. That means theres another asian shooting up college kids on american soil (virginia tech 2007)

[Malphas]

People like Malphas (not Malphas, but similarly short sighted and ignorant) was largely responsible for creating Elliot Rodgers..   

Many of the traumatizing social interactions described in Elliot's memoir points squarely at  Malphas-like personalities.. 

Bull****. This is the kinda of pathetic self-pity that ER was spewing out in his YouTube videos, when he had no-one to blame but himself. All his "traumatic" experiences were just regular occurrences warped by his entitled mindset. e.g. He smiled at some girls and they didn't respond. Big deal. In fact, there's nothing really in his videos to suggest what he wanted was any kind of actual relationship, what he wanted was attention and sex. The way he talks about women, he describes seeing "hot, blonde girls" at his college, no mention of (perhaps plainer) girls he's talked to and wanted to get to know better, it's just physical attraction. And how why does he think they should be attracted to him? Because he drives a BMW and has £200 sunglasses. No-one was bullying or tormenting this kid, he was just a twisted freak (which is why I knew you'd sympathise with him, tp).

[tp4tissue]

@Lanx: I'm not sure why he was living with three other guys, but he was definitely Asian himself. His mother's last name is Chin.

oh that's just great, a half asian hatin on full blooded asians. That means theres another asian shooting up college kids on american soil (virginia tech 2007)

naw, this is typical of his type of illness..

what happens is, he is in depression,   then his mind will attempt to stabilize him, so it swings his emotion in another direction,

so by enveloping himself in a delusion of grandeur (his superiority to everyone else), he is absolving himself of the plebeian nature of his existence.


It's really not important to linger on punishing, or castigating him, he's already dead..

What's important is to understand and  respond to the culmination of experiences that LEAD to the tragedy.. 

From that we can either prevent, or at least help those who are going through similar issues..


Malphas, this dude, sigh....  he is capable of commenting on everyone except himself...  reminds you of Elliot Rodgers, don't it?    H8'in on others, I'm always right... haha ... perhaps it's his way of putting off self-examination....  but ultimately what he's doing is only making himself more sick ..

[Lanx]

whats worse is how now everyone has their agenda to attend to, mainly gun control laws. Now i'm not a gun guy, (don't own, and last time i fired a gun i was 12) but these ppl pushing for stricter gun laws are just stupid too.

guns don't kill ppl, Crazies kill ppl.

half of this guys victims he knifed to death. somehow he was able knife 3 guys. ppl are speculating that he did it while they were asleep. but they said he went on the rampage before 9:30. so that means they believe that 3,  20-22 yr olds are asleep before 9:30 on a friday night?

not only that, but he was denied entry into the sorority he wanted to go into initially, that means he musta at least looked decent and not have like half a gallon of blood on him and cuts all over himself.

no amount of gun control would have stopped this guy, and again as stats show, 40% of his victims died up close and personal with a knife.

[jdcarpe]

no amount of gun control would have stopped this guy, and again as stats show, 40% of his victims died up close and personal with a knife.

You get out of here with your common sense. The people want stricter gun laws!

/sarcasm

[Lanx]

no amount of gun control would have stopped this guy, and again as stats show, 40% of his victims died up close and personal with a knife.

You get out of here with your common sense. The people want stricter gun laws!

/sarcasm

ok fine.

we should put stricter controls on bladed weapons. specifically we should have background checks on every sushi chef in California. It makes sense to restrict this to California, cuz... i mean duh, this is where the California Roll was invented.

also many sushi knives or in japanese yanagi's are 10in if not longer, whereas the usual and common place chef's knife is usually 8in.

Yanagi's are longer to produce the long slicing stroke needed to produce clean looking cuts on sashimi and sushi but also is a deadly long weapon.

these japanese knives are also created using the same techniques that were used to forge the iconic japanese death weapon, the samurai sword.

sword makes have now instead been creating cutlery instead of swords.

these japanese sushi knives are usually harder and hold an edge better than their german counterparts mainly due to the type of VG10 or blue steel that is being sandwiched by other metals, attributing this to ancient japanese sword maker secrets, which would allow more continuous killings in succession.

one side of the knife is also curved so that sashimi does not stick to the knife, this makes for an effective killing machine, which can lead to multiple killings, whereas modern european knives would have an issue with meat sticking to the blade, in effect, the inferior design of the european knives leads to more lives that can be saved.

(i've recently gotten into cutlery)

[noisyturtle]

no amount of gun control would have stopped this guy, and again as stats show, 40% of his victims died up close and personal with a knife.

You get out of here with your common sense. The people want stricter gun laws!

/sarcasm

ok fine.

we should put stricter controls on bladed weapons. specifically we should have background checks on every sushi chef in California. It makes sense to restrict this to California, cuz... i mean duh, this is where the California Roll was invented.

also many sushi knives or in japanese yanagi's are 10in if not longer, whereas the usual and common place chef's knife is usually 8in.

Yanagi's are longer to produce the long slicing stroke needed to produce clean looking cuts on sashimi and sushi but also is a deadly long weapon.

these japanese knives are also created using the same techniques that were used to forge the iconic japanese death weapon, the samurai sword.

sword makes have now instead been creating cutlery instead of swords.

these japanese sushi knives are usually harder and hold an edge better than their german counterparts mainly due to the type of VG10 or blue steel that is being sandwiched by other metals, attributing this to ancient japanese sword maker secrets, which would allow more continuous killings in succession.

one side of the knife is also curved so that sashimi does not stick to the knife, this makes for an effective killing machine, which can lead to multiple killings, whereas modern european knives would have an issue with meat sticking to the blade, in effect, the inferior design of the european knives leads to more lives that can be saved.

(i've recently gotten into cutlery)

Frankly, I'd rather be shot than stabbed. I've seen a guy get stabbed and it looks very unpleasant, never seen anyone get shot but I've heard it's not so bad (assuming the bullet passes through a non-vital area.)

[katushkin]

I think this goes to show that there needs to be more of a focus on mental health in America. This kid was picked up by the police a week before this happened, because people were concerned for his wellbeing. He was obviously a few sandwiches short of a picnic, and as a few of you have said, no amount of gun control laws would have prevented this.

However, more care for those with mental health issues could have. I'm not talking about drugs, because those things **** you up. Sometimes they can be worse than suffering from what they are trying to cure.

Mental health is the serious issue here, yet again, and, yet again, the American media is widely bypassing it to focus on what his parents bought him, and other made up garbage, like the creatine story.

[baldgye]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

PS: I'm not religious at all, but I do believe in evil.

lulz

[daerid]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

PS: I'm not religious at all, but I do believe in evil.

lulz

Evil is a product of human behavior. It has nothing to do with any kind of supernatural influence, that's just retarded. But it does exist. I chose that quote because it accurately sums up my feelings on the matter.

I view "evil" as those who are bent towards the destruction and subjugation of others, rather than helping. No matter what we do, there will always, always be those in our society who "just want to watch the world burn" so to speak. And convincing the rest of us that they don't really exist and are misunderstood or are a product of their upbringing and not really responsible for their decisions and actions would be their holy grail. And they're doing it.

The problem with just labeling someone a monster and moving on is -- there's nothing else to be done. Monsters are evil, and we should hate evil. But I don't think that's going to stop the next mentally unstable person from finally cracking up. Maybe empathy for them won't stop these sorts of people, but how can it hurt? This kid felt very much an outsider -- it doesn't justify what he did, at all -- but a little empathy could help. When something like this happens, I always wonder, "what if someone, at a crucial juncture in this person's life, shown him or her some kindness?" Would it have tipped this person back towards sanity?

I will do everything in my power and support every possible initiative to show these people compassion and give them help. BEFORE THEY PULL THE TRIGGER. That's when they become monsters. That's where the line is. Once that happens, **** you. You've proven yourself detrimental to our society and need to be removed.

You're right -- nothing like what he described justifies murder. And I don't know for certain he had mental problems, but he sure looks like he had serious mental problems. And I can't help but feel sorry for someone like that -- the preening, the narcissism -- that's a show. This kid felt the opposite of all that -- and that makes me sad for him.

I have somebody very close to me who's said some of the same **** that ER did in his manifesto. And I worry about him, and try to give him help and understanding and empathy. But he hasn't murdered anybody yet. Hell, I would have felt sorry for Rodger too. But he's a murderer. He murdered innocent people. He had every opportunity in the universe to just...ya know...not murder people. But he did. And that was his decision. The moment he made that decision and killed his first victim, he lost all right to any compassion or empathy.

Correction: if they're sick enough. If you constantly hear voices telling you kill people, and a tumor in your cranium is pressing on your amygdala, I'm sorry -- but you're not in full possession of the gifts you describe: sentience, intelligence and reason.

Physiological conditions are a separate discussion from what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people like Rodger who (as far as I know) would pass a Doctor's exam for physical fitness, and yet still commit mass murder. My point is that rather than face the magnitude of the atrocity, at some point when an act is bad enough we just slap the "sick" label on the person and get all soft and touchy-feely. And that makes these kinds of acts more palatable for potential killers.

[tp4tissue]

The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

PS: I'm not religious at all, but I do believe in evil.

lulz

Evil is a product of human behavior. It has nothing to do with any kind of supernatural influence, that's just retarded. But it does exist. I chose that quote because it accurately sums up my feelings on the matter.

I view "evil" as those who are bent towards the destruction and subjugation of others, rather than helping. No matter what we do, there will always, always be those in our society who "just want to watch the world burn" so to speak. And convincing the rest of us that they don't really exist and are misunderstood or are a product of their upbringing and not really responsible for their decisions and actions would be their holy grail. And they're doing it.

The problem with just labeling someone a monster and moving on is -- there's nothing else to be done. Monsters are evil, and we should hate evil. But I don't think that's going to stop the next mentally unstable person from finally cracking up. Maybe empathy for them won't stop these sorts of people, but how can it hurt? This kid felt very much an outsider -- it doesn't justify what he did, at all -- but a little empathy could help. When something like this happens, I always wonder, "what if someone, at a crucial juncture in this person's life, shown him or her some kindness?" Would it have tipped this person back towards sanity?

I will do everything in my power and support every possible initiative to show these people compassion and give them help. BEFORE THEY PULL THE TRIGGER. That's when they become monsters. That's where the line is. Once that happens, **** you. You've proven yourself detrimental to our society and need to be removed.

You're right -- nothing like what he described justifies murder. And I don't know for certain he had mental problems, but he sure looks like he had serious mental problems. And I can't help but feel sorry for someone like that -- the preening, the narcissism -- that's a show. This kid felt the opposite of all that -- and that makes me sad for him.

I have somebody very close to me who's said some of the same **** that ER did in his manifesto. And I worry about him, and try to give him help and understanding and empathy. But he hasn't murdered anybody yet. Hell, I would have felt sorry for Rodger too. But he's a murderer. He murdered innocent people. He had every opportunity in the universe to just...ya know...not murder people. But he did. And that was his decision. The moment he made that decision and killed his first victim, he lost all right to any compassion or empathy.

Correction: if they're sick enough. If you constantly hear voices telling you kill people, and a tumor in your cranium is pressing on your amygdala, I'm sorry -- but you're not in full possession of the gifts you describe: sentience, intelligence and reason.

Physiological conditions are a separate discussion from what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people like Rodger who (as far as I know) would pass a Doctor's exam for physical fitness, and yet still commit mass murder. My point is that rather than face the magnitude of the atrocity, at some point when an act is bad enough we just slap the "sick" label on the person and get all soft and touchy-feely. And that makes these kinds of acts more palatable for potential killers.

None of this is really necessary in the grand scheme of social planning, because we DO NOT have a population Decline due to the (Murder Rate)...


The way the entertainment news industry is set up is responsible for putting forth these non-existent social issues.


Gun control... for example.. people kill people, they always have...   The few gun related deaths a year kill far less people than  Conscious choices such as smoking and over-eating..

So.. yes, things such as psycho care COULD be better... of course,  but ultimately not pivotal..


More important problems exist...

[daerid]

^^ Great point TP

[Malphas]

Yes, agreed. I mean, there probably should be some examination of why this kind of thing happens in the USA whilst it's almost non-existent elsewhere (though Europe is heading this way as well to some extent) and correcting the underlying causes, but on the other hand there are bigger fish to fry. How many people died falling down the stairs or out of bed in the USA last year? I don't know what the figure is but I'd imagine it's probably higher than deaths from spree killers, yet there's no media sensationalism or outcry about how to reduce it, as there is with the latter.

[inteli722]

It seems like an increasingly worrying country. They have more travel restrictions than most developed nations, pretty relaxed gun laws and almost annual school shootings.

Every time one happens the 'gun debate' goes on, nothing changes, people find something else to blame, TV, Movies, Video Games, drugs etc etc.. And then the following year or so it happens again.

If I was American I would be worried about it and trying to find out the actual root cause and how to solve it. I don't think you can blame gun laws as if someone is intent on killing someone else or many people, they will find a way.

We know what the root cause is: Gun Laws, but not to remove guns. If teachers (and students in colleges) carried, then there woukd be fewer school shootings. The reason these people hit schools is because the chance of armed resistance before you can do a lot of damage is next to none.

Before you dismiss this as silly, look at crime rate in chicago before and after concealed carry was legalized. More legal guns usually mean less crime, not more.

[Malphas]

Insane argument. What about when the perpetrator is one of the teachers? Does that mean all the students should carry guns too, in case a teacher snaps and decided to go postal?

[paicrai]

mmm love where this **** went

[tp4tissue]

mmm love where this **** went
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Paicrai blames Anime girls,  making him think all the wrong things.

[jdcarpe]

mmm love where this **** went
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Barenaked Ladies reference?

[Malphas]

Before you dismiss this as silly, look at crime rate in chicago before and after concealed carry was legalized. More legal guns usually mean less crime, not more.

Also, it would be interesting to see if there was any relationship there. A correlation isn't a cause, and it's dishonest to try and pretend it is to promote your viewpoint. It's not enough to say crime decreased in Chicago after concealed carry was legalised, when the crime rate was already falling year by year for the past two decades anyway. I'm not saying there isn't a decrease in crime as a result of concealed carry, but you'll have to find better evidence for it than that.