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Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 08:41:31 »
In of the biggest attacks of its kind, more than 150 people including more than a 100 students have been killed in a terrorist attack at an army school in Peshawar, Pakistan. Taliban has taken responsibility and say it is retaliation of the recent army operations that killed their women and children.

Irrespective of why they did this, this is one of the most barbaric, inhuman,  heinous acts that I have seen. This is such a sad day for humanity, we have stooped so low, that we are now attacking small children in the place of education and nurturing. :(

RIP all those who have lost their life, and stay strong their families and the people of Pakistan, I wish for a better leadership and a brighter future, may you never have to face such an atrocity ever again.

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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 08:55:36 »
This is seriously ****ed up. I have no idea how anyone could plan this out, let alone actual execute it. It was painful to hear and read about. How anyone could justify this in their mind is something I will never understand. It is very upsetting.
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 09:02:02 »
300% sickening.

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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 09:42:56 »

RIP all those who have lost their life, and stay strong their families and the people of Pakistan, I wish for a better leadership and a brighter future, may you never have to face such an atrocity ever again.

I wonder if the Pakistanis would say the same if it was an attack on an Indian school run by the RSS.

Or whether they would feel the same about the Beslan massacre which killed far more (non-Muslim) kids.

These guys have been supporting terrorism as a way of life ever since Pakistan was defeated in the 1970s and they switched to using nonstate actors to attack India in order to have plausible deniability. I am surprised it took so long for the chickens to come home to roost, though. I am not hopeful that this will make Pakistanis change their minds about supporting militancy in their society. This is the kind of social change that needs decades to take place, and only extremely traumatic events (the kind that involves all out civil war) will force the pace of social change and mindset change in such a vast population.
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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 09:46:47 »
that is terrible.

Or whether they would feel the same about the Beslan massacre which killed far more (non-Muslim) kids.
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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 09:53:50 »

RIP all those who have lost their life, and stay strong their families and the people of Pakistan, I wish for a better leadership and a brighter future, may you never have to face such an atrocity ever again.

I wonder if the Pakistanis would say the same if it was an attack on an Indian school run by the RSS.

Or whether they would feel the same about the Beslan massacre which killed far more (non-Muslim) kids.

These guys have been supporting terrorism as a way of life ever since Pakistan was defeated in the 1970s and they switched to using nonstate actors to attack India in order to have plausible deniability. I am surprised it took so long for the chickens to come home to roost, though. I am not hopeful that this will make Pakistanis change their minds about supporting militancy in their society. This is the kind of social change that needs decades to take place, and only extremely traumatic events (the kind that involves all out civil war) will force the pace of social change and mindset change in such a vast population.

I've known a good number of Pakistani people, and I can happily say, yes, a Pakistani would say the same. From what I have learnt from other Pakistani people is that the generality isn't supporting nor has it ever wanted to support the terrorist, it is the politicians. Most Asian/African countries suffer from having poor corrupt politicians who do not have the nation/people's best interest at heart but some ulterior motive with a final aim for power/money. The politicians from different countries have chosen different means to this end, in India, they've chosen caste-based politics and monetary corruption, in Pakistan they've chosen more violent means, such as Jihad and conquering Kashmir in the name of of Islam. At the end of the day, it's the people in Pakistan who have been suffering.

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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 09:57:38 »
that is terrible.

Or whether they would feel the same about the Beslan massacre which killed far more (non-Muslim) kids.
partially muslim.

Aren't the South Ossetians entirely Orthodox? In those Caucasian mountain communities, they are very tribal and it's either or, no mix and half-half?

In any case, my pessimism obviously applies to many other examples too. The Germans who were radicalized by Hitler, and the Japanese by the military junta that took control after the 2/26 incident, it took extreme landmark moments like Stunde Null and Hirohito's surrender speech to start the cultural changes in the opposite direction.

Pakistan won't change until the Taliban steals a nuke intending to use it against someone else eg the USA, and accidentally detonates it in Karachi killing millions.
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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 10:04:15 »
The Middle East and its surrounding counties are amazing. It's like going back in time hundreds of years, religious extremism is law, slavery, emence wealth and totalitarian regimes.

There is little we can do or say, but it is amazing to watch the human race from hundreds of years ago. Who knows, maybe by the time the developed world has moved beyond religion the Middle East may have developed into a 19th century region.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 10:04:36 »
Aren't the South Ossetians entirely Orthodox? In those Caucasian mountain communities, they are very tribal and it's either or, no mix and half-half?
it's not in the mountains and there is a small non-ossetian non-russian muslim minority.
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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 11:20:56 »
I've known a good number of Pakistani people, and I can happily say, yes, a Pakistani would say the same. From what I have learnt from other Pakistani people is that the generality isn't supporting nor has it ever wanted to support the terrorist, it is the politicians. Most Asian/African countries suffer from having poor corrupt politicians who do not have the nation/people's best interest at heart but some ulterior motive with a final aim for power/money. The politicians from different countries have chosen different means to this end, in India, they've chosen caste-based politics and monetary corruption, in Pakistan they've chosen more violent means, such as Jihad and conquering Kashmir in the name of of Islam. At the end of the day, it's the people in Pakistan who have been suffering.

There are two problems with your experience.

Firstly, there is the selection bias. The Pakistanis that are willing to talk to you in English are almost certainly not the ones who see you as an infidel they’d rather kill than talk to. These people are probably spewing racist and religious vitriol in Pashto or Arabic.

Secondly, the Pakistanis that are liberal have long since lost control of the narrative. That was true of the democrats in Japan after 1932. That was true of the educated and intelligentsia in Germany as well after the elections of 1933. They stopped representing the mainstream population which kept getting more radical. The average German university professor would also not have regarded Albert Einstein as a rat to be exterminated, but try telling that to the jobless and angry working class in Hitler’s beer halls.

That’s why the violence in Pakistan is on a neverending cycle with nothing on the horizon to break the cycle.

I am aware that Pakistan was the site of the most civilized society in the world 5000 years ago. These guys were planning their city in regular grids 2000 years before the Britons painted themselves blue. They had heated public baths 1000 years before the Chinese stopped human sacrifices, and underground sewers 4500 years before the Europeans realized the world was round.

But these days are over. Just as societies can progress, they can also regress. Pakistan has been on a downhill trend for the longest time and I see nothing on the horizon to effect a change in direction. It worries me, frankly. These guys are too big and too connected and too smart to ignore. They’re not the Rwandans or Haitians, whose problems can be contained in a small area. Sooner or later some Pakistani will try to nuke somebody. That will probably bring about Stunde Null.

BTW the only hijacking incident in Singapore history was also conducted by Pakistanis.
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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 11:34:51 »
Firstly, there is the selection bias. The Pakistanis that are willing to talk to you in English are almost certainly not the ones who see you as an infidel they�d rather kill than talk to. These people are probably spewing racist and religious vitriol in Pashto or Arabic.

This thing I agree on, not literally, as in speaking in English or Pashto, the people I've known, we've generally talked in hindi/urder/pashto all three being simialr enough to understand, but the point being, they were educated people not influenced by false religious teachings.

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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 13:46:17 »
is 150 the official number? last i read it was 130 confirmed dead. with something like 80 being children. ****s crazy. ****ing religious extremists.
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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 13:56:37 »
You guys have to understand..  Pakistan is a pretty big area.. with many natural resources..

Whoever wins the termoil will be dictator, because the average citizenry is uneducated and doesn't have a choice..

They're not fighting a religious war..  it's a war to become sovereign.<-the highest possible payoff any person can achieve..


In the grand scheme, millions of people will die..  I really don't see why ya'll are so stressed out about 130 kids dying..

If anything, dead kids are the cheapest thing a population can afford to lose..  If they bombed say, a physics dorm, and 130 physics students died.. THAT would be a real shame..


but if you lost a bunch of dependent 10 yr olds..  the breeding population can replace these quite quickly.



If you're thinking, Tp4 that's insensitive and dehumanizing..   Tp4 feels bad about dead kids.. sure..   But Tp4 is a by the numbers guy..  130 out of millions that will die..

I allocate 130/millions part of sadness for these kids.. 

So.. Overall.. I am deeply saddened that so many need to die..  but very specifically with regard to these 130 people, they account for a miniscule fraction of the total sadness that I feel..

Hopefully you guys can understand that proper allocation and description of occurrence is my point, not that one shouldn't feel sadness whatsoever..

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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 14:30:59 »
141 dead, including 132 children.

Makes you wonder why people are campaigning for the leaders of these people's human rights, when they order the killings of dozens of innocent children.

****s. The lot of them. I wish I could go back to that part of the world and find these people.
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 14:35:36 »
141 dead, including 132 children.

Makes you wonder why people are campaigning for the leaders of these people's human rights, when they order the killings of dozens of innocent children.

****s. The lot of them. I wish I could go back to that part of the world and find these people.

this is actually quite easy to explain..

If you were asked to kill 100s of kids or millions of people in general to become KING.. would you do it?

Realize.. being KING is the highest achievement that can be gained..  and it almost ALWAYS involve lots of killing..

Let's say you buy an expensive car, it cost 2 million dollars. somewhere people had to DIE to generate that sum of cash..


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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 14:46:12 »
this is actually quite easy to explain..

If you were asked to kill 100s of kids or millions of people in general to become KING.. would you do it?

Realize.. being KING is the highest achievement that can be gained..  and it almost ALWAYS involve lots of killing..

Let's say you buy an expensive car, it cost 2 million dollars. somewhere people had to DIE to generate that sum of cash..

Right... This isn't anywhere near the truth of how these people think.

The 72 virgins that I assume is the "King" you are referring to, is received upon martyrdom. Martyrdom is achieved upon dying doing something righteous, such as falling in battle fighting your enemies, or the enemies of your god.

Yes, all of these ****s were killed in the attack on this school. But they died killing schoolkids. Maybe their twisted view of Islam leads them to believe women should not be teachers or be taught, but there is no excuse for the **** they pull off.

These grunts get NOTHING for doing something like this. They believe they will be forever remembered by followers of Islam, but in reality, even their idiot friends who are high on weed 24/7 will forget their names in a week.
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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 14:49:02 »
this is actually quite easy to explain..

If you were asked to kill 100s of kids or millions of people in general to become KING.. would you do it?

Realize.. being KING is the highest achievement that can be gained..  and it almost ALWAYS involve lots of killing..

Let's say you buy an expensive car, it cost 2 million dollars. somewhere people had to DIE to generate that sum of cash..

Right... This isn't anywhere near the truth of how these people think.

The 72 virgins that I assume is the "King" you are referring to, is received upon martyrdom. Martyrdom is achieved upon dying doing something righteous, such as falling in battle fighting your enemies, or the enemies of your god.

Yes, all of these ****s were killed in the attack on this school. But they died killing schoolkids. Maybe their twisted view of Islam leads them to believe women should not be teachers or be taught, but there is no excuse for the **** they pull off.

These grunts get NOTHING for doing something like this. They believe they will be forever remembered by followers of Islam, but in reality, even their idiot friends who are high on weed 24/7 will forget their names in a week.

I wasn't talking about the grunts becoming kings.. LOL

you're looking at the event narrowly...  my point is, look at the Grandscheme..

You're not wrong about the event itself... my take is that this is a very small portion of the death that will continue to occur until the King is crowned... and relative to THAT ... it's pretty docile.. 100s of people out of millions..

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 14:51:56 »
I wasn't talking about the grunts becoming kings.. LOL

you're looking at the event narrowly...  my point is, look at the Grandscheme..

You're not wrong about the event itself... my take is that this is a very small portion of the death that will continue to occur until the King is crowned.

Ah, I get what you mean.

Delusions of grandeur. It's all well and good being the leader of an extremist group when you take over a small country and rule with an iron fist, but thinking that you can take over large swathes of the middle east from right under the noses of the USA? Think again.

It will never happen. The USA would sooner get into another war in the middle east than letting another country fall into the hands of a radical Islamic leadership (see the old Iran under Ahmedinajad)
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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 14:55:06 »
I wasn't talking about the grunts becoming kings.. LOL

you're looking at the event narrowly...  my point is, look at the Grandscheme..

You're not wrong about the event itself... my take is that this is a very small portion of the death that will continue to occur until the King is crowned.

Ah, I get what you mean.

Delusions of grandeur. It's all well and good being the leader of an extremist group when you take over a small country and rule with an iron fist, but thinking that you can take over large swathes of the middle east from right under the noses of the USA? Think again.

It will never happen. The USA would sooner get into another war in the middle east than letting another country fall into the hands of a radical Islamic leadership (see the old Iran under Ahmedinajad)

Um...

the Pakistan is too close to the China for the USA to muddle in too far.... 

But..  the truth is.. I highly doubt any modern nation can truly -puppet- such a large land mass that is water accessible..


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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 15:06:37 »
Um...

the Pakistan is too close to the China for the USA to muddle in too far.... 

But..  the truth is.. I highly doubt any modern nation can truly -puppet- such a large land mass that is water accessible..

Pakistan itself is already under the leadership of a pro-western government. Convoys of supplies that were too heavy to be airlifted into Afghanistan arrived in Karachi by boat before going through the Khyber pass.

The problem is that the government has little to no control over the west of their country. That's where this happened, where Bin Laden was holed up, and the border with Afghanistan is.

Because of this, it is arguably easier to control a country bordering a large body of water, than it is a landlocked country. The sea is flat, unlike borders which can be mountainous, which means that less manpower is needed to look after large swathes of border.

See America's patrolling of the US/Mexico border vs their control of the sea border between Cuba and Florida.
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 15:12:41 »
Um...

the Pakistan is too close to the China for the USA to muddle in too far.... 

But..  the truth is.. I highly doubt any modern nation can truly -puppet- such a large land mass that is water accessible..

Pakistan itself is already under the leadership of a pro-western government. Convoys of supplies that were too heavy to be airlifted into Afghanistan arrived in Karachi by boat before going through the Khyber pass.

The problem is that the government has little to no control over the west of their country. That's where this happened, where Bin Laden was holed up, and the border with Afghanistan is.

Because of this, it is arguably easier to control a country bordering a large body of water, than it is a landlocked country. The sea is flat, unlike borders which can be mountainous, which means that less manpower is needed to look after large swathes of border.

See America's patrolling of the US/Mexico border vs their control of the sea border between Cuba and Florida.

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Missiles..

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Re: Taliban attacks school in Pakistan, 150+ dead
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 15:28:57 »
The sad outcome, the hate, one of the survivor's younger brother was killed, his reaction after the slightest recovery, "When I grow up, I will kill each and every one of them".

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 15:32:48 »
The sad outcome, the hate, one of the survivor's younger brother was killed, his reaction after the slightest recovery, "When I grow up, I will kill each and every one of them".

It's the reaction of them all in that neck of the woods. Since the Russians came in, it's never been the same

One of the survivors mother was killed. She was a teacher at the school.
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 16:18:41 »
practically every bad thing in the world is our fault.
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I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 16:26:36 »
practically every bad thing in the world is our fault.

Wellllllllll...

Yeah, kinda.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 16 December 2014, 16:43:04 »
...since all those hands chopped in congo.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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