Losing Weight Together

[drewba]

Do you want to lose weight, get that summer bod, ask for some accountability, set a goal, swap advice or change your lifestyle in general? Then this thread is for you.

I wanted to start a weight loss thread inspired by Dante's post here as a way of personally being transparent with my own progress & goals as well as seeing progress from others. Use this thread however you'd like. I'm always a fan of healthy meal suggestions or progress pics to keep the motivation up. I'll post about workouts and what not, but I'll also plug the GH Swolenation thread for gym/lifting related discussion.

Current goal: 180LBS
How I'm doing it:

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This was written as a response, so it may be slightly out of context...
245lbs-190lbs over the course of 7 or 8 months. 85% diet, 15% exercise (lose weight in the kitchen, get fit in the gym). I have no one to blame but myself for getting fat, but I really wish someone would have stressed just how important diet is. Unless you are young or an athlete, you are never going to out-exercise a bad diet. In retrospect I feel like I could have lost all of the weight with diet alone, the exercise was just to allow me to eat more calories. I have kept it off for over a year and am currently back to losing weight with a goal of 180lbs. Here is what I did that worked:

1: Set a long term & short term goal. Short term = 1-2lbs lost/week. Long term: 50lbs lost, be able to do 10 consecutive pullups, 35 consecutive pushups, run a sub 9 minute mile.

2: Changed my relationship with food. Pizza & wings (and pastries) are treats, they are not an everyday dinner. Stopped eating out & drinking alcohol entirely (maybe a beer once in awhile IF I had a surplus of calories). Cooked all my own meals. Did a large food prep on the weekends so I couldn't make excuses to eat out). Shop only the perimeter of the grocery store (meat & produce). Substituted: popcorn for chips, Fruit or 35 calorie popsicles for ice cream, edamame for tv dinners, diet stuff/mio/crystal light for soda/beer/juice, etc. To this day I have an awful sweet tooth so I have to make a conscious effort to not even walk down the cookie aisle.

This is a pretty tough process at the beginning, but once you lose those first few pounds you realize really ****ing quick that it's not that hard and that you can do it.

These subreddits helped tremendously in terms of learning about healthy food & eating low calorie food period:
https://www.reddit.com/r/1200isplenty/
https://www.reddit.com/r/fitmeals
https://www.reddit.com/r/MealPrepSunday/
https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/

3: Myfitnesspal.com. The real brains behind the operation. I plugged in my measurements, lifestyle (sedentary), told it how much I wanted to lose per week.The site told me if I ate 1640 calories per day that I would lose 1.5 pounds by the end of the week. If I burned 200 calories exercising I could eat those calories back. I logged all of my meals which is about a 20-30 minute process at the very beginning, it now takes me about 5 minutes a day maximum. I lost 0 pounds the first week because I didn't log in my meals strictly & lied about the portions. The second week I logged everything strictly and weighed my food. I lost 5 pounds. Nowadays it's like balancing a checkbook - I prelog my meals at the beginning of the day and if someone brings donuts in to work, I can easily say no because that would put me over my calorie budget.

MFP is free, has an app and can be an excellent support system because you can add friends and build a network of people that can teach & motivate you. I'd be sincerely happy to be your friend on MFP. Add me, that goes for anyone on GH.

4. Exercise! Again, not absolutely necessary to lose weight but I'd recommend at least a little bit for overall health, so you can eat more food or to lose weight a bit faster. At the time I didn't have access to a gym so I did a bodyweight routine at home called simplefit which is 20 minutes of pullups, pushups, squats every other day. I can understand when people say they don't have time to go to the gym, but I literally couldn't talk myself out of 20 minutes of exercise that I could do at home. I threw in a long walk once a week and eventually transitioned that in to a run. Walking itself is seriously underrated, don't feel the pressure to run. It's bad for your knees anyways when you're big.

My Progress:
5/2/2016 - START
202.5 lbs   

5/6/2016
197.5 lbs   

5/13/2016
194.5 lbs   

5/20/2016
192.0 lbs   

5/27/2016
191.5 lbs   

6/3/2016
189.5 lbs

6/10/2016
186 lbs

6/17/2016
185lbs

7/1/2016
179lbs


11.60% bodyweight lost

[romevi]

Spilled some lard down the drain. Sharing with you, so together.

[drewba]

Spilled some lard down the drain. Sharing with you, so together.

Better than eating lard. YOU'RE A CHAMPION ROMEVI

[SpAmRaY]

I'm fat.

[drewba]

I'm fat.

Welcome. You doing anything about it?

[xtrafrood]

I'm trying to eat the same thing every day so I can evaluate my eating habits and adjust them a bit to shed a few pounds. Watermelon threw me off track but I've been hovering around 210-205 for the past year. Just need to find an enjoyable way to exercise.

I'll probably kickflip my weight away starting this year.

[iri]

I'd probably join if this thread were in contemporary units of measure.

[xtrafrood]

I'm 182cm tall and weigh around 92-95kg. I feel that 81-86kg would probably be my sweet spot. I was at 68kg in my early twenties but that was because I was rationing out the ramen noodles.

I don't mind converting from lbs to kg; doesn't hurt my pride at all

[iri]

I'm 185cm high. Weighed 89kg in mid March, weigh 82kg now. Want to lose basically all fat besides my fat cheeks which hide my sticking ears quite nicely.

[mike52787]

Im fat too. Kinda want to do something about it but Im a lazy piece of ****

[fohat.digs]

Weighed 89kg in mid March, weigh 82kg now.

Can't you just denominate this in stone so we can understand it?

[drewba]

I'm trying to eat the same thing every day so I can evaluate my eating habits and adjust them a bit to shed a few pounds. Watermelon threw me off track but I've been hovering around 210-205 for the past year. Just need to find an enjoyable way to exercise.

I'll probably kickflip my weight away starting this year.

skateboarding is rad. I just have a longboard right now but could probably pick up a used skateboard for like what, $10 bucks?

I'd probably join if this thread were in contemporary units of measure.

Sorry, iri. Even us Americans know that metric is a better system. I'm 86kg, 183cm. I saw a picture you posted where you were at a 90s rave or something. Preeeeety sexy.

Im fat too. Kinda want to do something about it but Im a lazy piece of ****

I'm a lazy piece of **** too. I spend minimum 14 hours a day in front of the computer and would much rather play counterstrike than exercise. I end up talking myself in to it a couple days a week but still it's a struggle. I got myself out of a rut by challenging some friends to lose weight with me and we put money on the line. Then I make some small changes like gave up soda/beer for awhile and stopped eating out 5 days a week and eventually some good habits stuck.

[mike52787]

Im 16, 6'1" and about 240 pounds. not terribly obese but I sure am fat.

[xtrafrood]

I'm trying to eat the same thing every day so I can evaluate my eating habits and adjust them a bit to shed a few pounds. Watermelon threw me off track but I've been hovering around 210-205 for the past year. Just need to find an enjoyable way to exercise.

I'll probably kickflip my weight away starting this year.

skateboarding is rad. I just have a longboard right now but could probably pick up a used skateboard for like what, $10 bucks?

I'd probably join if this thread were in contemporary units of measure.

Sorry, iri. Even us Americans know that metric is a better system. I'm 86kg, 183cm. I saw a picture you posted where you were at a 90s rave or something. Preeeeety sexy.

Im fat too. Kinda want to do something about it but Im a lazy piece of ****

I'm a lazy piece of **** too. I spend minimum 14 hours a day in front of the computer and would much rather play counterstrike than exercise. I end up talking myself in to it a couple days a week but still it's a struggle. I got myself out of a rut by challenging some friends to lose weight with me and we put money on the line. Then I make some small changes like gave up soda/beer for awhile and stopped eating out 5 days a week and eventually some good habits stuck.

You probably could buy a board for $10 if you don't mind razor or oatmeal tail haha

[MOZ]

I lost a good 8kg or so a 6 months back in 6 weeks and then due to all the moving and all, couldn't continue the diet.

I finally decided that this was just an excuse and if I tried to find a solution I can make it work. I'm back on a low-carb diet that should hopefully keep me in ketosis (Although this is not a target),
-- Pre-breakfast (First thing after getting up and brushing my teeth ~8:30 AM): 2 tablespoon psyllium husk with three glasses of water (About 1L)
-- Breakfast (~9 AM): Protein pancake (1 scoop whey, 1 egg, 25g butter, cinammon), 100g plain yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt
-- Lunch (~2 PM): Protein shake (1 scoop whey, water, 50ml 25% cream, 1 egg)
-- Evening (~6PM): Protein shake (1 scoop whey, water, 50ml 25% cream, 1 egg)
-- Pre-dinner (As soon as I get back home from work ~9:30 PM): 2 tablespoon psyllium husk with three glasses of water (About 1L)
-- Dinner (~10 PM): 100g yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt, 25g butter


- Plenty of water through out the day
- 10k steps everyday
- Cheat day on Saturdays.


Height is 168 cm
Current weight is 78 kgs
Target 60 kgs


Edited post to better reflect the eating schedule

[Lurch]

I lost a good 8kg or so a few months back and then due to all the moving and all, couldn't continue the diet.

I'm back on a low-carb diet that should most likely keep me in ketosis,
- Breakfast (9 AM): Protein pancake (1 scoop whey, 1 medium egg, 40g butter, cinammon), 100g yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt, 2 tablespoon psyllium husk
- Lunch (2 AM): Protein shake (1 scoop whey, water, 50ml thick cream, 1 medium egg)
- Evening (6PM): Something from the office canteen, made from beans or eggs.
- Dinner (10 PM): Tomato juice, 100g yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt, 2 tablespoon psyllium husk, 40g butter

Plenty of water through out the day
10k steps everyday
Cheat day on Saturdays.

Height is 168 cm
Current weight is 78kgs
Target 60 kgs

How do you consume the psyllium husk? Do you mix it in your yogurt? I've been mixing it with my protein shakes in the morning, but I'm not fond of the consistency it creates.

[MOZ]

Psyllium husk is quite commonly consumed in India, specifically to get consistent stool. It's magical in how how it helps with constipation as well as loose stool. I have always had exam anxiety and it always upset my stomach, I usually had psyllium husk, so the consistency has grown on me, so that's not an issue to me.

I usually just have it in a glass of water, mix it up well (This part is important for me as I've taken it dry and then when I drank the water, I chocked on it) and gulp it down. Followed by another two glasses of water. This itself is quite filling. This is the first thing I drink when I get up and the first thing when I get back home from work (around 9:30 PM). Breakfast and dinner usually follow about half an hour later.

[SpAmRaY]

I'm fat.

Welcome. You doing anything about it?

On and off.

This year has been super stressful and I've found comfort in eating.

Lately I don't want to do anything.

But I have tried incorporating more fresh and raw veggies into my lunches and only eating yogurt for breakfast and eating sensible portion sizes for dinner. Also I have to resist the urge to eat out of the vending machines at work.

I also sit all day in front of a computer for work.

Between work and the wife and kids there isn't much time left to do anything else.

I also don't get enough sleep.

I've physically felt bad enough lately I want to do something about it. I'm always exhausted and generally don't feel well.

Going to a gym is totally not an option for me so I'll be restricted to what I can squeeze in at home for 30 minutes to maybe an hour at night before bed.

My typical weekday goes like this

Wakeup 4am-4:45am
Arrive at work within  ~1hr
Eat my yogurt sometime between 6am-7am
Eat lunch sometime between 12-2pm
Leave work ~4pm
Arrive home ~4:30-5pm
Eat dinner sometime between 5:30-6:30pm
Hang with the family and do things around the house after dinner until kids go to bed typically at ~8:30-9pm
Go to bed ~10pm-11pm

[MOZ]

@Ray,

Install a pedometer app on your phone, keep track of the number of steps you get in your usual day. Doc told me for most individuals, one should do at least 7k steps to prevent further wait gain and aim to do at least 10k steps to reduce it.

Cut down on your carbs, fruits seem nice but should be eaten in moderation, cut down on wheat as well, amke fats your main source of energy, eat the required amount of proteins.

The tiredness/exhaustion is from the surplus carbs in your body, cut those down and you'll start feeling better. You've gotten into a cycle, feel low and bad --> eat for comfort --> bad food makes you fat and messes you up --> feel low.

Do you eat sweetened yoghurt or plain?

I too don't find time to go to the gym, do dedicated exercises, etc, but do the 10k steps (Sometimes I miss, but will certainly do 7k everyday), by just walking while at lunch in the office, also commuting by public transport.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you do when you say, spend time with the children? Physical activity?

7 hours of sleep is enough.

[SpAmRaY]

@moz

Hadn't thought to count steps with an app, I'll try that.

I eat flavored low fat Greek yogurt, 80 calories in 150g serving.

And yeah there's some physical activity in the evenings but not too much. Sometimes we go outside and play. The kids do all the running around not me

I typically get 5-6hrs of sleep.

[iri]

I typically get 5-6hrs of sleep.

That's what you should fix first before you turned insane.

[MOZ]

Yup, get at least 6 hours of sleep, try to sleep 6-8 hours, sleeping too much is also bad.

Yoghurt doesn't seem to be adding too much to your problems, as I said you'll have to make some changes to your diet, cut down the carbs, increase healthy fats.

Maybe get some tests done to make sure you aren't diabetic/insulin resistant. Insulin resistance is quite common with fat people, for our kind it is better to get your calories from fat than carbs.

[drewba]

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I lost a good 8kg or so a 6 months back in 6 weeks and then due to all the moving and all, couldn't continue the diet.

I finally decided that this was just an excuse and if I tried to find a solution I can make it work. I'm back on a low-carb diet that should hopefully keep me in ketosis (Although this is not a target),
-- Pre-breakfast (First thing after getting up and brushing my teeth ~8:30 AM): 2 tablespoon psyllium husk with three glasses of water (About 1L)
-- Breakfast (~9 AM): Protein pancake (1 scoop whey, 1 egg, 40g butter, cinammon), 100g plain yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt
-- Lunch (~2 PM): Protein shake (1 scoop whey, water, 50ml thick cream, 1 egg)
-- Evening (~6PM): Something from the office canteen, made from beans or eggs.
-- Pre-dinner (As soon as I get back home from work ~9:30 PM): 2 tablespoon psyllium husk with three glasses of water (About 1L)
-- Dinner (~10 PM): Tomato juice, 100g yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt, 40g butter


- Plenty of water through out the day
- 10k steps everyday
- Cheat day on Saturdays.


Height is 168 cm
Current weight is 78 kgs
Target 60 kgs

Sounds like a solid plan MOZ, though if you're only eating what you typed verbatim, I can't imagine you're eating enough. Thanks for typing all of that out - I'm going to check out psyllium husk. Seems like something I might like because I find satisfaction in volume.

But I have tried incorporating more fresh and raw veggies into my lunches and only eating yogurt for breakfast and eating sensible portion sizes for dinner. Also I have to resist the urge to eat out of the vending machines at work.

I also don't get enough sleep.

I've physically felt bad enough lately I want to do something about it. I'm always exhausted and generally don't feel well.

Thumbs up for making small adjustments, those are all things that can easily "stick" if you keep with it. I feel you on the vending machine, I purposefully do not keep change in my car and try not to have $1 bills in my wallet. I'd much prefer if I just had the willpower to say no but sometimes I literally do not. Sad.

Another thing is sweets at work, every other day someone is bringing in cookies or donuts. Did you know today is national donut day? My coworkers won't stop reminding me because they know I'm trying to lose weight.  I ate 1.5 donuts on Monday and felt sick as a dog.

[Niomosy]

Been working on this.  I'm almost in a recomp mode right now where I'm trying to increase my lifts while eating at/near maintenance levels.  I've started dropping a small bit of weight while slowly increasing my lifts but it's definitely a slower process than simply trying to focus on losing weight. 

Fortunately the wife's finally on board with the whole weight loss thing and cooking as such so I don't have to worry about scorn for not eating her meals when she makes something not so weightloss friendly.

[MOZ]

I'm definitely not eating enough, burning 2k calories, consuming 1.2k, working on 40% deficit, this should drop 1kg  a week based on keto calculator.

[Niomosy]

The thing that sucks about not eating enough is the hunger.  I've found some meals work well to help that out but otherwise, I've got to have filling low calorie snacks around for the inevitable stomach growl.

As it stands, it's almost noon and I've been hungry for at least the past hour despite my oatmeal + protein shake + coffee.

[SpAmRaY]

The thing that sucks about not eating enough is the hunger.  I've found some meals work well to help that out but otherwise, I've got to have filling low calorie snacks around for the inevitable stomach growl.

As it stands, it's almost noon and I've been hungry for at least the past hour despite my oatmeal + protein shake + coffee.

This is me everyday. I just want to snack all the time.

But for me coffee does seam to feel me up somewhat. BUT I'm trying not to get addicted to all the caffeine.

[Niomosy]

I try to keep caffeine in check.  I had two cups of coffee today which is unusual for me.  I do take a pre-workout at times with ~270mg of caffeine but try to limit that to days where I feel like absolute crap or I'm trying to hit a personal record on a lift.

But yeah, all this working out and lifting a lot means a lot of hunger happening and me trying to figure out how to handle my snacking in a manner suitable for weight loss.

[drewba]

Been working on this.  I'm almost in a recomp mode right now where I'm trying to increase my lifts while eating at/near maintenance levels.  I've started dropping a small bit of weight while slowly increasing my lifts but it's definitely a slower process than simply trying to focus on losing weight. 

Fortunately the wife's finally on board with the whole weight loss thing and cooking as such so I don't have to worry about scorn for not eating her meals when she makes something not so weightloss friendly.

Good luck to you! I know it's nearly impossible to gain muscle without eating over maintenance but I did a bodyweight routine while at a deficit and noticed I certainly was getting stronger. I took 6-7 months off to focus on cardio, I just got back to lifting and my strength is just gone. Also it's awesome when you can get your S.O. on board. There's nothing harder than someone tempting or guilting you at home...

I'm definitely not eating enough, burning 2k calories, consuming 1.2k, working on 40% deficit, this should drop 1kg  a week based on keto calculator.

That makes sense, quickly eyeballing your food plan I was assuming you might be eating under 1000 calories per day.

[MOZ]

There's lots of fats and proteins in there, don't forget they have more calories.

About the hunger, proteins have been known to provide the most satiated feeling per gram of food eaten, followed by fiber and then fat. The Psyllium on its own can make you feel full for about two hours. If your body gets into ketosis, you feel hungry less often.

I also try to use my eating "timetable" more like a target rather than stressing over it. Often I feel a little hungry around 12 noon, I then drink a big glass of water and think to myself, just two more hours. Replace snacks with water.

[ThoughtArtist]

I try not to eat too much during the day and save a nice meal for the evening. That way, even if you're bored of your early maintenance food, you can have something to look forward to.

[appleonama]

Count calories and exercise. Two simple things are the hardest to do

[MOZ]

Did a recalculation of what to eat and how much, looks like I'll be replacing the lunch from the cafeteria with a protein shake, it's hard to estimate what I'm eating there and what it's made of. Also slightly reducing the butter content to compensate for the fats in the second protein shake. Also eliminated the tomato juice becasue of carbs/calories. So now it looks like this,

-- Pre-breakfast (First thing after getting up and brushing my teeth ~8:30 AM): 2 tablespoon psyllium husk with three glasses of water (About 1L)
-- Breakfast (~9 AM): Protein pancake (1 scoop whey, 1 egg, 25g butter, cinammon), 100g plain yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt
-- Lunch (~2 PM): Protein shake (1 scoop whey, water, 50ml 25% cream, 1 egg)
-- Evening (~6PM): Protein shake (1 scoop whey, water, 50ml 25% cream, 1 egg)
-- Pre-dinner (As soon as I get back home from work ~9:30 PM): 2 tablespoon psyllium husk with three glasses of water (About 1L)
-- Dinner (~10 PM): 100g yoghurt diluted with water and rock salt, 25g butter

I should add, I also have a number of vitamin/mineral supplements with this diet, these were prescribed to me by my endocrinologist (Seeing him for my insulin resistance).

It seems my body has gotten into full ketosis, I can usually tell as I start feeling slightly nauseated pretty much throughout the day as well as always feeling full. The nausea is a result of ketosis and also Victoza that I take for the insulin resistance. If I continue to feel as full, I most likely would have to replace the two shakes with one at around 4PM composing of 2 scoops whey, 50ml 25% cream, 1 egg and water.

Current macros, 98g protein, 30g carbs, 85g fat, 1280 calories. I used this excellent calculator to find what I need to eat and then adjusted my diet accordingly, http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4, unfat (2016),

.... in progress

[zcmy]

15/02/2016: 232lbs

22/02/2016: 228lbs

29/02/2016: 230lbs

07/03/2016: 228lbs

14/03/2016: 228lbs

21/03/2016: 227lbs

28/03/2016: 226lbs

03/04/2016: 223lbs

10/04/2016: 220lbs

17/04/2016: 217lbs

24/04/2016: 215lbs

01/05/2016: 215lbs

08/05/2016: 212lbs

15/05/2016: 208lbs

22/05/2016: 204lbs

29/05/2016: 198lbs

05/06/2016: 197lbs

I have issues with eating, so my weight fluctuates like crazy. I binge eat a ton, but I'll have periods where I go weeks without binge eating.  It's noticable when I stop binge eating since I drop more than 3 lbs that week.

At the beginning, I drop easily, but it gets harder to drop as time goes by.

[MOZ]

I;d guess most of the early quick weight loss is just water.

[drewba]

I'm down another 3 pounds since my 5/27 weigh-in, which puts me at 6.91% bodyweight lost. I took a 30 mile bike ride on Sunday so needed to eat a lot of food back...ate a king size bag of Skittles and half a bag of pretzels before dinner. I don't feel great about that but technically I was still under my alotted calories so 

I try not to eat too much during the day and save a nice meal for the evening. That way, even if you're bored of your early maintenance food, you can have something to look forward to.

I do this sometimes as well. For me it's a bad habit because oftentimes I'll have so many calories left over that I eat foods that are poor nutritionally (example above lol).

Count calories and exercise. Two simple things are the hardest to do

It really is simple, though exercise can take a lot of time and it's real work. Counting calories is easy as hell once you get over that hump of like one week IMHO. It's turned in to an invaluable skill for me because I actually had to learn what a tablespoon of oil looked like (or actually measure it out), or how much 4oz of chicken actually is. Before I was eating basically double portions of everything and literally had no idea.

The reason that I like & use myfitnesspal is because it saves all of the food that I eat so logging in all of my food takes 5-10 minutes out of my day. I bought a food scale on amazon for $11 (Ozeri Pronto) to get familiar with food weights so I know exactly how much I'm eating but these days I don't even need to use it that much. You just get familiar with those foods that you eat over and over again.

[iri]

Counting calories is very easy when your area's takeaway has thorough labels about its nutritional value (just like in the UK).

[Niomosy]

I'm down another 3 pounds since my 5/27 weigh-in, which puts me at 6.91% bodyweight lost. I took a 30 mile bike ride on Sunday so needed to eat a lot of food back...ate a king size bag of Skittles and half a bag of pretzels before dinner. I don't feel great about that but technically I was still under my alotted calories so 

I try not to eat too much during the day and save a nice meal for the evening. That way, even if you're bored of your early maintenance food, you can have something to look forward to.

I do this sometimes as well. For me it's a bad habit because oftentimes I'll have so many calories left over that I eat foods that are poor nutritionally (example above lol).

Count calories and exercise. Two simple things are the hardest to do

It really is simple, though exercise can take a lot of time and it's real work. Counting calories is easy as hell once you get over that hump of like one week IMHO. It's turned in to an invaluable skill for me because I actually had to learn what a tablespoon of oil looked like (or actually measure it out), or how much 4oz of chicken actually is. Before I was eating basically double portions of everything and literally had no idea.

The reason that I like & use myfitnesspal is because it saves all of the food that I eat so logging in all of my food takes 5-10 minutes out of my day. I bought a food scale on amazon for $11 (Ozeri Pronto) to get familiar with food weights so I know exactly how much I'm eating but these days I don't even need to use it that much. You just get familiar with those foods that you eat over and over again.

The funny thing here is that I've got working out locked in but zip on couting calories.  The real issue ends up being that my wife's the one doing the cooking rather than me so it's often just pure guesswork on my part since her recipes are often not particularly measured.

What I end up doing is trying to approximate based on various values from the old Weight Watchers point system that my wife did about 10 years ago.  It doesn't quite account for everything but is pretty helpful and we did well on it last time.  Now if we can just avoid the junk food, those AYCE Korean BBQ runs can still be reasonably okay once in a while

[MOZ]

For me, on cheat days I ate a lot more than the calories I burn, but I believe a lot of it just goes out the system undigested. I always have a runny stomach at the end of the cheat day and the day after.

[tp4tissue]

I've been trying this ,   eating larger dinners, so i have more energy / motivation in the morning to xercise..

[MOZ]

Doesn't work, your body will just store it as fat. Rather have that in the morning if you need the energy spike.

[tp4tissue]

Doesn't work, your body will just store it as fat. Rather have that in the morning if you need the energy spike.

but if I wake up with very little energy.

I get hungry mid workout..

But if i eat breakfast first..  I feel too lethargic to even start..

[xtrafrood]

Doesn't work, your body will just store it as fat. Rather have that in the morning if you need the energy spike.

but if I wake up with very little energy.

I get hungry mid workout..

But if i eat breakfast first..  I feel too lethargic to even start..

How much breakfast do you eat?!

[zcmy]

Doesn't work, your body will just store it as fat. Rather have that in the morning if you need the energy spike.

but if I wake up with very little energy.

I get hungry mid workout..

But if i eat breakfast first..  I feel too lethargic to even start..

How much breakfast do you eat?!

It does sound like a rather large breakfast, or lunch or dinner for breakfast. I never get lethargic after breakfast, but I do get lethargic after lunch.

[tp4tissue]

Doesn't work, your body will just store it as fat. Rather have that in the morning if you need the energy spike.

but if I wake up with very little energy.

I get hungry mid workout..

But if i eat breakfast first..  I feel too lethargic to even start..

How much breakfast do you eat?!

Well... usually I'd have a little bit of rice porridge.. Some fried-dough sticks, and possibly some chashu pork.. and some steamed shanghai cabbage.

[zcmy]

Doesn't work, your body will just store it as fat. Rather have that in the morning if you need the energy spike.

but if I wake up with very little energy.

I get hungry mid workout..

But if i eat breakfast first..  I feel too lethargic to even start..

How much breakfast do you eat?!

Well... usually I'd have a little bit of rice porridge.. Some fried-dough sticks, and possibly some chashu pork.. and some steamed shanghai cabbage.

That's my lunch. O_o are we long lost brothers?

[tp4tissue]

Well... usually I'd have a little bit of rice porridge.. Some fried-dough sticks, and possibly some chashu pork.. and some steamed shanghai cabbage.

That's my lunch. O_o are we long lost brothers?

hahahaha.. it's a pretty common asian breakfast/lunch

[xtrafrood]

All those carbs jesus. 

[tp4tissue]

All those carbs jesus. 

+ ramen for lunch,  lunner, and dinner... and midnight snack