Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[noisyturtle]

yaaaawn, wake me when quantum computers are commercially available

Upgrades these days are like, spend $5k for 6% more power then another $5k in 2 years. Nonsense. Software does not progress that quickly, it's all fomo bull**** people are falling for.

[tp4tissue]

In the aliexpress app,  when you're searching for PC stuff,  they insert ads for "fat burning, weightloss essential oils" So the little video is just people rubbing this oil into their belly, and then CGI of this yellow fat disappearing.  It's pretty hilarious.

Guess the algorithm positively correlates eating too much with computer parts?

[noisyturtle]

In the aliexpress app,  when you're searching for PC stuff,  they insert ads for "fat burning, weightloss essential oils" So the little video is just people rubbing this oil into their belly, and then CGI of this yellow fat disappearing.  It's pretty hilarious.

Guess the algorithm positively correlates eating too much with computer parts?

they just do that anyway, I've only ever bought knock-off action figures and instruments off there and all my suggestions are for **** enhancement pills and extremely slutty women's clothing. "We see you purchased this steel drum, how about a red latex mini skirt to go with it?"

[tp4tissue]

In the aliexpress app,  when you're searching for PC stuff,  they insert ads for "fat burning, weightloss essential oils" So the little video is just people rubbing this oil into their belly, and then CGI of this yellow fat disappearing.  It's pretty hilarious.

Guess the algorithm positively correlates eating too much with computer parts?

they just do that anyway, I've only ever bought knock-off action figures and instruments off there and all my suggestions are for **** enhancement pills and extremely slutty women's clothing. "We see you purchased this steel drum, how about a red latex mini skirt to go with it?"

It just means, the average person who buys knock-off action figures and instruments  are also mostly interested in wii-pills and weekend cross-dressing, and/or more-probably lingerie for their surrogate wifu dolls..

[Leslieann]

okok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?

the more connectors the higher risk of problems.
It's less an issue than it used to be, we used to say absolutely do not use them, but there is still risks.

My advice, make sure things are stable then ad them and see what happens. If things start going unstable later, these are a good place to start.

[tp4tissue]

okok. 24 pin right angle power supply adapters?

Thoghts?   Tp4 needs 2 of these, or a single 180 degree.  The problem is, they're prolly kinda jank. Also is there only 1 company making them?

the more connectors the higher risk of problems.
It's less an issue than it used to be, we used to say absolutely do not use them, but there is still risks.

My advice, make sure things are stable then ad them and see what happens. If things start going unstable later, these are a good place to start.

A big issue is they always use the snap on plastics for the covers now. If they used screws, you could open them up more readily and check the soldering.

[Leslieann]

Leslieann, would me problem be related to what you just said - my daughter got 4070Super year ago and we've been having strange problem with it since installed it.
Randomly, monitor does not get signal from pc. Sometimes, it doesnt get signal from the moment pc is turned on, sometimes it doesn't get it when rebooted, or when waken up.
I need to turn it off and many times, unplug the gpu to get it sorted.
We changed everything, reinstalled windows, drivers, changed monitor, Displayport cable, PSU, gpu 12pin adapter, mobo, then whole new PC was bought.
Card went back to shop, but they sent it back as couldn't not find a fault

I doubt it, this usually only had problems on major scene changes when the card has to ramp up fast.
This is usually either an incompatible pcie version, as you tried, manually set it and you may need to drop down another gen, or a monitor or cable issue. Another possibility I have had is issues with monitors waking due to how a card wakes it, but also the connection type. If your card has an HDMI port, use that, even with an adapter to Display Port. Modern ports do some weird things. You could also dry HDMI on the monitor as well. See if some ports act different, but it sounds like a pcie gen issue more than anything.

[tp4tissue]

Also, cables @ high refresh rate are dodgy. You might have to go through a few to get a good one.

Zeskit and Cable Matter has been decent. But you still get duds.

Tp4 suspeeescccts, it's an issue with DSC.  DSC is a huge problem on nvidia, and you can't turn it off with the current tools available. It ignores edid edit.

There might be a cable interceptor that can disable dsc and let you edit edid in more detail, but these aren't cheap.

[tp4tissue]

Not gon' Lie,

Cybrpower's stock fans AF120 Fluid bearing is actually really good quality.  The molds are good, not overshot. Clean lines, well designed frame, economically light to produce but fairly rigid using plastic in the right places. 

Yea the screw holes are kinda crap and crack, but they spent the money where it counts. You can always ziptie if it goes bad.

[tp4tissue]

Christ, 140mm reverse argb fans, the prices.....!!

[tp4tissue]

It's just too expensive. $30-50,  Tp4 will have to settle for regular, $6. sigh..

[YALE70]

What happened to RGB power supplies?

Aren't most cases these days shoving the PSU in a hidden cavity?

They'd make RGB screws if they could find a way.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4, taking gekhrs back to the year 2003, Rjibi p0wrsupply.

140mm rgb, actually bigger than the stock 135mm fan (nonstandard).

The rear 140 is mounted externally, because the top 240 radiator is too far back after moving the rear 120 to the top.

[phinix]

Leslieann, would me problem be related to what you just said - my daughter got 4070Super year ago and we've been having strange problem with it since installed it.
Randomly, monitor does not get signal from pc. Sometimes, it doesnt get signal from the moment pc is turned on, sometimes it doesn't get it when rebooted, or when waken up.
I need to turn it off and many times, unplug the gpu to get it sorted.
We changed everything, reinstalled windows, drivers, changed monitor, Displayport cable, PSU, gpu 12pin adapter, mobo, then whole new PC was bought.
Card went back to shop, but they sent it back as couldn't not find a fault

I doubt it, this usually only had problems on major scene changes when the card has to ramp up fast.
This is usually either an incompatible pcie version, as you tried, manually set it and you may need to drop down another gen, or a monitor or cable issue. Another possibility I have had is issues with monitors waking due to how a card wakes it, but also the connection type. If your card has an HDMI port, use that, even with an adapter to Display Port. Modern ports do some weird things. You could also dry HDMI on the monitor as well. See if some ports act different, but it sounds like a pcie gen issue more than anything.

Thanks. I've changed it from auto to gen4. We'll see if those issues come back now...

[YALE70]

Thanks. I've changed it from auto to gen4. We'll see if those issues come back now...

Hopefully that does the trick. I experienced BSODs and random freezes after I installed a vertical GPU riser that ended up causing a PCIe version mismatch. Manually adjusting the version in BIOS to match the riser fixed it.

[YALE70]

Tp4, taking gekhrs back to the year 2003, Rjibi p0wrsupply.

Lol, I love how I was mouthing off about how ridiculous RGB PSUs would be, and your post reminded me that I had this monstrosity in my old Acer, circa 2012.

http://www.rmac.kingwin.com/products/cate/power_supplies/abt_800MA1S.asp



Nothing screams "QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE" like light up aircraft connectors on your semi-modular PSU for no explicable reason.

It died right after the three-year warranty expired, IIRC.

[tp4tissue]

You know dat clear piece of plastic airguide inside PSUs.

Would really like to know How-many degrees does it actually improve performance. Virtually all psu vendors have it.

Do they even test it?  Surely when the airflow impedance of the components change with layout, a different length of cover may be better / worse.

[tp4tissue]

Listening to dis' while tweakn' dat PC cables.

[tp4tissue]

These refurb 980 pro ssds from bestbuy, Kinda sus.

1.835tb written, 2 power on count.

So, excluding the time Tp4 just turned it on,  it was powered on 1 other time for secure erase? 

It's very likely they've salvaged these from somewhere and rewrittened the Smartdata.

[tp4tissue]

Looked up some stuffs.

This drive was likely used for Chia mining.

There is some white powdery thermal compound residue that isn't the normal silicone oil from thermal pads. It's a paste of sorts.

This would indicate, it's a bigger cooling apparatus not typical server/ household use.

[tp4tissue]

Here is what Tp4 is suspecting.

Bestbuy/ other retailers have a cabal in the back room, running Chia mining.

It's NOT corporate, it's the nightly Warehouse crew.  They're taking these drives in, running Chia, then sold off as refurbs after resetting smart data.

Selling them off as refurb, most people arn't the wiser.

[tp4tissue]

This is 1 good looking heatsink.

The offset pipes, so wow, much artistic.

Don't buy these though, unless you cut the cord on the fan, because 1 the cord is ugly, 2, these fans run 3000-6000rpm.

Out of no where, you're doom scrolling, and ZZZZZZzzzz,

Tp4 made that mistake with the HR10 pro, also a good looking heatsink..

Unless you guyzus actually scrub /render 8k footage, just get the bigger passive sinks.

[tp4tissue]

When you buy a fan quoted for 1500rpm, and it only runs 1430.

You own me 70rpm thermalright.

.. Tp4 seethed in anger.

[tp4tissue]

Honestly,  Motherboards look better without the VRM heatsinks, because all the little chips and capacitors look cool. If they spent the $$ on more vrm stages instead, they could easily obviate the need for heatsinking. Not that there's much of a reason for them in the first place assuming normal case use.

[tp4tissue]

Ok, This movie playback PC, full spec.

AMD Ryzen 7700 (non x)
XFX Radeon 7900gre
MSI Pro B650-VC wifi
Western Digital 850x 2TB
Western Digital SN580 Blue 2TB
TeamGroup DDR5 6000, 2x16GB cl 28.38.38.96
Apevia Prestige 850W Gold (C-tier)
PTM 7950 Cpu/Gpu application
Cyberpower 008 Case
Cyberpower 240 AIO
5x Cyberpower AF120 argb 2000rpm fan
2x Thermalright C14C argb fan 1430rpm
2x Thermalright HR10 SSD heatsink
Sirlyr PSU Cable extensions.

Total cost: $1032

[tp4tissue]

Addiction to runaway consumerism.

Tp4 mulls over his compulsion to purchase $20 cyberpunk holographic stickers.

[tp4tissue]

Keep AIO or remove AIO.

They're so dangerous.

Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 

240 aio can hold 90C, whereas 360aio can hold 80-85ish,

Heasinks pretty much just go to 90-95 unless in open air, and they're slightly slower in heatmass transit.

[TomahawkLabs]

Keep AIO or remove AIO.

They're so dangerous.

Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 

240 aio can hold 90C, whereas 360aio can hold 80-85ish,

Heasinks pretty much just go to 90-95 unless in open air, and they're slightly slower in heatmass transit.

I won't buy another AIO. Not because I have ever had an issues with my AIO. They are closed looped systems. Intentional e-waste. Noctua continues to make mounts for their legacy heat sinks decades later.

[tp4tissue]

I feel like people should buy the delid tool instead.  it's $60, and it reduces temp by 20-25C, on any cooler, so, that's better than any AIO.

[Leslieann]

Keep AIO or remove AIO.

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Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 

Those temps are ridiculous, it's a 65watt cpu, any decent cooler should keep it well under the limit.

I'm using a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 that I got for about $40 and I think the most I've seen is 80c. It rarely breaks 75c.  My Intel 8700k, a 150watt (?) cpu that can hit 200+(?) never hit 90c and that was with a 90mm Noctua NHU-9S in a large toaster size case. You don't need a 240mm AIO let alone a 360.

If you are hitting those temps, your case is the problem, not the cooler.

[tp4tissue]

Keep AIO or remove AIO.

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Performance is somewhat better than heatsink, given the crazy fast ramp up of the ryzen chips. 

Those temps are ridiculous, it's a 65watt cpu, any decent cooler should keep it well under the limit.

I'm using a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 that I got for about $40 and I think the most I've seen is 80c. It rarely breaks 75c.  My Intel 8700k, a 150watt (?) cpu that can hit 200+(?) never hit 90c and that was with a 90mm Noctua NHU-9S in a large toaster size case. You don't need a 240mm AIO let alone a 360.

If you are hitting those temps, your case is the problem, not the cooler.

LLann, you have a 7800x3d. That chip is very fast at a very low tdp, with PBO, it peaks at 87watts yet outperforms 7700 at 128watts

But that's why you're seeing lower temps. 7800x3d is a special chip.

All the other Zen4 Zen5 run extremely hot.

[tp4tissue]

Omg, these heatsinks is look so gud' on black mobo. 

Gloss mirror finished stripes.

/Shiny.

[tp4tissue]

Performance test, vs bare-drives,  -10C top slot (sn850x 2tb), -18C bottom slot (sn580 2tb). 


Allegedly, people have reported sn580 is a hot drive because its controller may be working harder on average, being hbm and dramless.

Not sure if this is an accurate interpretation.

In any case, HR10s work really well passive w/ normal case airflow.  Case fans 670rpm, gpu fan 572rpm

Tp4's other 4TB SN850x in another pc runs 38C idle on mobo stock heatsink 3C hotter than HR10. Supposedly the HR10 is 60,000mm squared surface area. Quite alot to dissipate 2-10watts.

[Leslieann]

All the other Zen4 Zen5 run extremely hot.

Still shouldn't need a 240 just to avoid hitting peak.

[tp4tissue]

All the other Zen4 Zen5 run extremely hot.

Still shouldn't need a 240 just to avoid hitting peak.

The 90-95 peaks on a 240 aio, are cpu burner/ prime temps, which saturates the 130watt of the 7700.  Normal use, it goes as high as 80c-85c.

[phinix]

OK.  9070 XT is now installed.
I've installed drivers (Adrenaline), but screen looks horrible, like dull colors, too high contrast or something.
What do I need to change in settings to make it look nice?

[tp4tissue]

You might be in HDR mode.

Turn off HDR mode.

[phinix]

You might be in HDR mode.

Turn off HDR mode.

its off, I checked it straight away.

[tp4tissue]

This is on your CX or the C4?

[phinix]

it all looks harsh, dont knwo how to describe, like bad HDR, text has white areola around...

[phinix]

This is on your CX or the C4?

C4

[tp4tissue]

This is on your CX or the C4?

C4

Set the Color Gamut to Native instead of auto detect on the c4.

[phinix]

display settings look good.
4K res, 144hz, 10bit, rgb.

[phinix]

Geekhack orange is like faded color, greyed, pale orange.
I've seen this before, cannot remember what it was...

[tp4tissue]

Geekhack orange is like faded color, greyed, pale orange.
I've seen this before, cannot remember what it was...

It's probably auto clamping the gamut.

Check that setting. Change it to Native gamut on the C4, Make sure you're in PC mode.

[phinix]

This is on your CX or the C4?

C4

Set the Color Gamut to Native instead of auto detect on the c4.

it is native.

When had nvidia card in it just minute ago, it was fine.
After installing drivers it happened.

[tp4tissue]

Is it games and things or only Chrome Browser.


There was a bug from years ago where you have to turn off color management in Chrome and firefox. Because it forced an srgb color correction.

[phinix]

Is it games and things or only Chrome Browser.


There was a bug from years ago where you have to turn off color management in Chrome and firefox. Because it forced an srgb color correction.


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looks like it is everything, word, windows explorer.

I use chrome.

[tp4tissue]

Chrome is here.  Set to enabled and srgb, to disable color correction.

[phinix]

Chrome is here.  Set to enabled and srgb, to disable color correction.

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did that, nothing changed.