Gaming PC Parts discussion thread.

[Leslieann]

Where do you even get quality Sata cables nemore.

They're all sooooo bad these days.

They were always bad.

[tp4tissue]

They were always bad.

It's crazy, the monoprice sata cables Tp4 got, brand new only put in a year ago, 2 already gone bad out of 10.

[phinix]

They were always bad.

It's crazy, the monoprice sata cables Tp4 got, brand new only put in a year ago, 2 already gone bad out of 10.

wow, what is wrong with them? I never had problems with sata cables.

[tp4tissue]

I know this is just advertisement, but come on.. That's going a little far samsung. 

Those big pixels on the left is ~10x10pixels, so it's implying 110ppi is 100x the pixel density of 83ppi

In reality it only increases the resolution by 1.76x

[phinix]

tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

[tp4tissue]

tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

There was, I believe they're not doing it for the 9070/xt, this time around because XFX which built the last ones were very problematic.

[phinix]

tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

There was, I believe they're not doing it for the 9070/xt, this time around because XFX which built the last ones were very problematic.

oh, I see. ok.
In case phinix will have to go with AMD, which brand would you suggest?

[tp4tissue]

tp, is there a "Founders edition" in AMD?
Like AMD Radeon version? Not some other branded ones?

There was, I believe they're not doing it for the 9070/xt, this time around because XFX which built the last ones were very problematic.

oh, I see. ok.
In case phinix will have to go with AMD, which brand would you suggest?

Sapphire is the EVGA of AMD.

But in general, other than Price and Availability being the main determinant,  just get the card with the biggest heatsink, because they don't do crazy custom board power delivery re-designs for the mid-bracket cards, they only do it for the halo cards,  so all the non-halo cards are basically using reference design, so unless you get a bigger heatsink out of paying more, they're not doing any extra work.

[tp4tissue]

Who is hoarding all the DDR3 2x16gb sticks. 

[Darthbaggins]

I have two in my desktop at work 

[tp4tissue]

It's like they've gone and disappeared, where have they gone, no one knows?

[tp4tissue]

TCL Tvs,

Don't think Tp4 will buy another brand in the future. They update beta firmwares really fast, and generally very responsive to bug fixes.

SonySamsungLG, these guys take FOREVERrrrrrr...

[tp4tissue]

I have two in my desktop at work 

You must stealz all the ddr3 ram at wurk, and sells it on dat ebay, hopefully reserving 1* 2x16 kit for the Tp4.

Where has all these kits gone, did they sell them all to some country? where are they?

There seems to be ebay remanufactured kits (salvaged ics) available, but these are dodgy.

[tp4tissue]

Might be placeboo, but connecting Tp4's audio dac to usbc, and mouse/keebr to the usb3.2s  FEEEEELS m0ar tight latency wise than the other ports.

Also, Tp4 feels by far, AMD input latency is much lower than Intel chipsets of late.

[Leslieann]

Who is hoarding all the DDR3 2x16gb sticks. 

Intel DDR3 desktop and laptop chips didn't officially support 16GB sticks until Broadwell (no one cared about AMD at the time) and few people at the time thought it was needed, remember, this was Vista/7/8 era. Win10 was a year after DDR4 was released and it usually takes a year or so after a Windows update for people to really catch up to a new hardware spec and few even then thought 32GB was needed so most who went 32gig would have done so on DDR4.

You're looking for a needle in  haystack.

[tp4tissue]

But Tp4 distinctly remember there were 2x16g kits being sold, expensive. Yet, they've all disappeared and have not reappeared on the second hand market.. Even now, you can find lots of laptop 2x16g kits, but not desktop.


There remains the probable case that Tp4 is hallucinating again. Apologies for AIp4 inference engine fails.

[Leslieann]

But Tp4 distinctly remember there were 2x16g kits being sold, expensive. Yet, they've all disappeared and have not reappeared on the second hand market.. Even now, you can find lots of laptop 2x16g kits, but not desktop.


There remains the probable case that Tp4 is hallucinating again. Apologies for AIp4 inference engine fails.

Those late gen max'd out ram chips cost a ton and often don't release until near the end of that ram's cycle.
By the time it was available or at least "reasonable" for desktop, it was probably not THAT much more to just switch to DDR4 and a new cpu/mobo combo, that's what happened to me when I first went to 16GB and again 32GB, it was more cost effective to upgrade cpu/mobo/ram combo.

On laptop, which sticks around longer, yeah a few probably were made and sold, and those users are likely still using them or being sold in the units for an insane amount to people willing to pay the price (how many old Thinkpads are still being used). You know, people like us, and we hoard them.

[tp4tissue]

Those late gen max'd out ram chips cost a ton and often don't release until near the end of that ram's cycle.
By the time it was available or at least "reasonable" for desktop, it was probably not THAT much more to just switch to DDR4 and a new cpu/mobo combo, that's what happened to me when I first went to 16GB and again 32GB, it was more cost effective to upgrade cpu/mobo/ram combo.

On laptop, which sticks around longer, yeah a few probably were made and sold, and those users are likely still using them or being sold in the units for an insane amount to people willing to pay the price (how many old Thinkpads are still being used). You know, people like us, and we hoard them.

Tp4 demands Leslieann sell Tp4 a desktop 2x16gb kit from the hoard.

[fohat.digs]

You know, people like us, and we hoard them.

My T440p (which I got for cheap years ago, without hard drive, to which I added an SSD) is running Linux Mint 22 without a hiccup, although I don't use it very hard. It's well over 10 years old, multiple epochs in computer years.

PS - thanks for the recommendation Leslieann!

[tp4tissue]

You know, people like us, and we hoard them.

My T440p (which I got for cheap years ago, without hard drive, to which I added an SSD) is running Linux Mint 22 without a hiccup, although I don't use it very hard. It's well over 10 years old, multiple epochs in computer years.

PS - thanks for the recommendation Leslieann!

Fohat needs to go to the latest Ryzen Halo. This will be an absolute pivot point in laptop history. 1 chip, APU, supports lots of ram,

[fohat.digs]

Cost of using my laptop = unzipping a laptop case and pressing a button.

Cost of a new laptop = a large number of dollars

[tp4tissue]

Yahyahyah

4090/ 5090 about to meltdown.  MAJOR Recall is coming.

Basically, they put the B-team on consumer GPU, and cheaped out on the shunt resistors/ current balance sensing circuit POST 3090Ti.

That's the reason 3090Ti which can pull hard 600+ watts, does not melt.

The new 4090/5090 forgo sensing and extra shunts, thus creating a failure scenario where all the current could be coming in from only 1 or 2 wire out of 6.

So,,,, these cards WILL eventually melt/ kill itself. Every single one designed this way outside of AIB partner like the Asus one below that has a sense circuit Addon for safety..


Cheaping out on the shunt isn't such a big problem on server cards, because there's probably load balancing some where in the power pipeline and the traces are always way overspecced. 

[Leslieann]

My T440p (which I got for cheap years ago, without hard drive, to which I added an SSD) is running Linux Mint 22 without a hiccup, although I don't use it very hard. It's well over 10 years old, multiple epochs in computer years.

PS - thanks for the recommendation Leslieann!

You're welcome, I'm glad it has served you well.
Such great machines, especially for Linux.

[tp4tissue]

MSI Afterburner beta 5 overlays finally supports 9000 series AMD.

CPU Power (watts) doesn't report correctly, but everything else seems to work.

[noisyturtle]

Who is hoarding all the DDR3 2x16gb sticks. 

what are you doing making a DDR3 build?

[tp4tissue]

what are you doing making a DDR3 build?

Tpoor4 2025

[TomahawkLabs]

what are you doing making a DDR3 build?

Tpoor4 2025

Stop buying new displays? lol

[tp4tissue]

Stop buying new displays? lol

If Tp4 no buy dat display, how will Gekha know which display technology is currently the best value.

[tp4tissue]

Ne 1 miss Dvds?

[tp4tissue]

Here's a good way to understand the 4th law of thermal-dynamics.

4th law basically says, anytime there's excess possible extraction of thermal energy, that niche will be exploited, humans will go there and extract/use the energy.

Everytime your GPU gets faster, Game developers make their game look a tiny bit better and it still runs at trash framerates.

What does this explain?

Well...  Technology, or any increases in Technological-Efficiency, is NOT solving climate change if the underlying structure of economic capitalism remains unchanged.



Building Solar does not reduce carbon emissions, if you go ahead and use all the power the panels produce ontop of increasing fossil based energy.

There is no Green-tech, there is only Green-Washed tech.   We're killing the Ecology of earth (the actual GREEN) and replacing it with Tech that comes with a green sticker, a cute little leaf, the same leaf we killed to make this abomination.

[noisyturtle]

Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I still have my 200+ DVD collection from back when you could hit up a pawn shop and walk away with 5 films you've never seen before for $5
I have SO MANY bad direct to DVD movies my roommate at the time and I would get drunk and make fun of.
Man, life used to be worth living back when simple things could make me happy.

[tp4tissue]

NE buy dat off brand ssds like Kingspec ?  Seeeeems, okish no? since the controller and nand is used by Teamgroup in a similar drive.

[phinix]

Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I miss VHS

[tp4tissue]

Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I miss VHS

Image quality was soooo bad, but it wasn't horrible thanks to CRTs blur.

[TomahawkLabs]

Ne 1 miss Dvds?

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I've been tempted to get a DVD/Bluray drive for my PC to rip DVDs from the library to create my own offline netflix.

[tp4tissue]

Thermalright c12c 5pack black fans. Great fans. Tp4 can vouch.

1550 rpm, It's got the fluid bearings, and multifan chain connector. 5 fans for $16.39, the ARGB ones are $20, but they use the frosted white plastic blades which are softer than the black plastic version. If there is a noise difference, it's not detectable in these low rpm ranges. Upto 1150rpm, nearly inaudible. No bearing whirl.

Arctic wants $35 for the same thing. 1800rpm and not even argb.


Realistically, theres nothing you're gonna do with 1800rpm that 1550rpm isn't enough for. And pressure side of things, who the hell cares, if you want pressure, you get a GT clone.

[Leslieann]

Ne 1 miss Dvds?

I miss VHS

Image quality was soooo bad, but it wasn't horrible thanks to CRTs blur.

I don't think it was necessarily DVD that was the issue.
A lot of movies were just VHS transferred over, they weren't adjusted to fit the larger screens or remastered. The transfer was poorly done and the companies just used it as a money grab.

[tp4tissue]

Undervolting causes more stability problems for the middle and low frequencies, because the offset is too much at that section of the curve, whereas at Peak voltage, it can sustain stronger cuts.

[tp4tissue]

I don't think it was necessarily DVD that was the issue.
A lot of movies were just VHS transferred over, they weren't adjusted to fit the larger screens or remastered. The transfer was poorly done and the companies just used it as a money grab.

The b movie slashers were especially bad. Worse than home video at times.

[phinix]

Oh, what the hell... just ordered new monitor, LG OLED 42" C4. Selling my old 48" CX, time for upgrade. Picked it for great promotion, so at the end it should be a simple swap for same amount.
Next - 5070 in 2 weeks.

[tp4tissue]

Oh, what the hell... just ordered new monitor, LG OLED 42" C4. Selling my old 48" CX, time for upgrade. Picked it for great promotion, so at the end it should be a simple swap for same amount.
Next - 5070 in 2 weeks.

NOoooooooo. QD OLED.. QDeeeeeeee.

Keep an eye out for swap to QD in the return period, colors like you've never seen.


It's weird samsung doesn't make QD for their smaller TVs, I think it starts at 55 inches. 42,48inch are woled,

But make sure that's how it's set in your country. Because WOLED for smaller sizes, does not have as Awesome colors.

Notice the gamut isn't filled out on the Woled because the white pixels bleach out the colors. Whereas on the QDoled it's much wider and filled out.

[phinix]

Oh, what the hell... just ordered new monitor, LG OLED 42" C4. Selling my old 48" CX, time for upgrade. Picked it for great promotion, so at the end it should be a simple swap for same amount.
Next - 5070 in 2 weeks.

NOoooooooo. QD OLED.. QDeeeeeeee.

Keep an eye out for swap to QD in the return period, colors like you've never seen.


It's weird samsung doesn't make QD for their smaller TVs, I think it starts at 55 inches. 42,48inch are woled,

But make sure that's how it's set in your country. Because WOLED for smaller sizes, does not have as Awesome colors.

Notice the gamut isn't filled out on the Woled because the white pixels bleach out the colors. Whereas on the QDoled it's much wider and filled out.

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Nooooooo

tp, phinix has small 190x190cm space room for his gaming PC/main command station, to make it more misarable, its uder the stairs, like Harry Potter. That is why phinix chooses smallest OLED he can, which is 42". Smaller ones are pointless. phinix had 48" OLED for 5 years now and 99% of the time used maybe 80% of the screen, cause 48" is too big to use with 70cm screen-eyes distance (or in your US metric - 342 feet square ).

[tp4tissue]

9070xt  (Jiggahertz edition)

Crazy idea by crazy youtuber.  To really stick it to the 5080.  A throwback to 7970ghz edition back in the day, way back when AMD pounced. 

Hrrrm..... Tp4 don't think even a crazy clocked 9070xt can match a 5080, even if they add more + faster ram.. Sooo...

And 5080 has 10% headroom like any other cards, This seems like a stretch.  And if you push 450 watts through the thing. IDK.... Really big cooler. hrrmr

Thoughhts??

[tp4tissue]

Gpu Idle = Zero RPM Fan

What says the gekha?

VRMs Burninator?

[phinix]

LG OLED 42" C4 arrived and hanged.
This is what I always wanted - great monitor, but in size that is big enough to play close to it. It reminds me of my old Philips 40" VA monitor.
Just played Dead Space again - still scary as hell on 42", like it was on 48"

[tp4tissue]

LG OLED 42" C4 arrived and hanged.
This is what I always wanted - great monitor, but in size that is big enough to play close to it. It reminds me of my old Philips 40" VA monitor.
Just played Dead Space again - still scary as hell on 42", like it was on 48"

TCL is doing wide VA this year, it remains to be seen how wide its capabilities are.

However, LCD still struggles with accurate dark and bright simultaneous textures.

[phinix]

LG OLED 42" C4 arrived and hanged.
This is what I always wanted - great monitor, but in size that is big enough to play close to it. It reminds me of my old Philips 40" VA monitor.
Just played Dead Space again - still scary as hell on 42", like it was on 48"

TCL is doing wide VA this year, it remains to be seen how wide its capabilities are.

However, LCD still struggles with accurate dark and bright simultaneous textures.

Yeah, maybe in 5 years we will see some new technology and OLEDs or MiniLeds will be 3 time better, who knows

What I would like to see next, is capacity of regular/customers SSDs going up and prices down. 4TB SSD should be $150, 8TB $300 max.
This way we would be able to completely drop mechanical drives.

[tp4tissue]

These young hughmahns with their 96 Gigabytes of rams.

Tp4 distinctly recall arguing with his homies, Why would you ever need more than 64 Megabytes of ram. That's frivolous, you bourgeois capitalist bastard .

[TomahawkLabs]

Having 96GB of RAM in a gaming computer is silly. I have 32gb and I cannot imagine upgrading any time soon. Even if I was to build another machine today, I'd get 2 sticks of 16gb. You can always upgrade later, but why spend the money?

[tp4tissue]

If they updated windows internet explorer 6,  Tp4 would still be using 64MB of ram 2day.