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[IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:28:28 »
Hello Geekhack!
My name is Nutty/Jordan and today I would like to introduce a project that I've been working on:



GMK Wise Wolf

This set is inspired by the character Holo from the series Spice & Wolf by Isuna Hasekura.
Holo the "Wise Wolf" of Yoitsu, a deity of harvest, joins a traveling merchant for a journey in a medieval European setting.


Please fill out my IC Form to help me gauge interest as well as for any criticism, changes, suggestions, or feedback.
Additionally, if you're interested, I do have a Discord if you join, just go into the rules and roles and react to the keyboard role.

Colorway
These colors where chosen where based of the physical scale figures of Holo that I own as well as books and other merchandise.
RAL 060 50 50 as the mod cap color to match that of her hair.
RAL 080 90 10 is a light tan almost white which pairs well with the lighter tips of her ears and tail.
RAL 030 40 60 is a rich and vibrant red that resembles an apple.

Kits
I have seen quite a bit of anime sets out there, however I will not be including hiragana in the base set to keep it more natural to the setting of the series being based on medieval Europe.
This being my first set, I may have some issues with kitting. I have had some help and done a bit of research and I believe that I offered a substantial amount to the majority.


Base - Wise Wolf
Hiragana - Ookami (狼)
Novelties - Traveling Merchant
Spacebars - Wheat Fields
40% - Pups

Deskmats
Bountiful Harvest - illustrated by TomTC
Quiet Tavern - illustrated by TomTC

Collab x Wise Wolf
Possibly

GB Dates, Vendors, and Pricing

Renders
Sunsetter
Fuji65
Iron165
Fjell
TGR Alice
TGR Jane

Special Thanks
With this being my first key cap set I had so many wonderful people help me through this project.
Xerpocalypse - Great friend who was a huge help with leading me in the right directions and introducing me to other members in community.
OneCreativeMind - A super nice person I had the pleasure to work with when designing my novelties.
trifelife - Nice friend who did with the calligraphy in the banner.
Bachoo - Great communication and was friendly while working on renders, and they turned out great.

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« Last Edit: Sat, 21 November 2020, 04:23:26 by Nutty »

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:28:56 »
To Do:
Feedback
Deskmats
Collab/Artisan
Get Vendor
Pricing
Dates
GB


Update Log:
11/4/2020 - Fixed some kitting issues. In base kit removed a set of Pg Up and Pg Dn. Added Yen sign to hiragana kit, added mod color |\, and added extra tab. Added 1.75u concave in spacebars kit. Added 1.25 tab in the 40% kit.
11/14/2020 - Gave an update to the vendors/proxies so far.
11/17/2020 - Added the deskmat mat design Bountiful Harvest.
11/20/2020 - Added the deskmat mat design Quiet Tavern.
11/21/2020 - Got a proxy/vendor for the Southeast Asia region.
« Last Edit: Sat, 21 November 2020, 03:35:53 by Nutty »

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:29:33 »
YOooooooo

very nice
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:30:54 »
please consider ¥ on pipe

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:32:52 »
Wooooow
This is amazing!! Good luck!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:33:47 »
Omg I love Holo

ne spice and wolf S3 avail T-T

that said, the kitting looks alright, though I'd probably remove some keys like
- Pg Up R3
- Pg Dn R4
- 1.5u Supers R4
- 2u Shift R4
for a bit of savings

And yes, yen sign on pipe please.

Other than that, definitely in my considerations. I'll post more if I get any more ideas (would suggest R5 bottom row but it'd probably get pricey)


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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:34:21 »
Looking forward to the GB


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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:34:43 »
Yo this is mad cute

yes Jordan pls add ¥ on both pipe keys
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:36:20 »
Very nice!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:36:45 »
Very naisu

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:37:08 »
Only real issue I can see right now is that the colorway is the same as another set in IC : JTK space camp, but I love the theme and novelties! Great job!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:38:00 »
Yo I like it!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:40:05 »
Very nice  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:40:32 »
Only real issue I can see right now is that the colorway is the same as another set in IC : JTK space camp, but I love the theme and novelties! Great job!

GMK > JTK :)

but all in all, I think the themes are far different and the novelties really make this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 14:45:24 »
Only real issue I can see right now is that the colorway is the same as another set in IC : JTK space camp, but I love the theme and novelties! Great job!

Themes and colors are very different imo, Space Camp's mods look more brown than orange, where as this sets mods are close to a burnt orange color. I definitely like the look of this one, my only complaint would be the S, and W novelties, to me they don't really fit in with the rest of the novelties. But that could just be me, I might be in for Base Kit when this runs!
« Last Edit: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:02:20 by Tyson »

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:10:32 »
Just some kitting thoughts:

Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style). Additionally, since you've got a mod colored ~` you might as well add a mod colored |\ key too.

For base, going with full UK iso, the extra 1.5u supers, 2u shift, and 2x1u ctrl/alt is making it pretty thicc and might push pricing.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:15:43 »
Why do you must forsake me like this...

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:24:53 »
rEsErVeD!!1!11

REEEEsErVed@@@!!!111!1

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:40:48 »
This reminds me of one of my favorite reddit posts...

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/33dxxq/z/cqk87rp

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:43:16 »
Just some kitting thoughts:

Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style).
yes please

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 15:59:38 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:09:17 »
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.

That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.




It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.

It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently.
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:13:19 »
WOW! Thank you all for the well received immediate feedback and support. This is my first set and I'm honestly quite giddy right now seeing it all. Really rewarding to see all this from almost a years worth of planning. From what I have seen so far, it seems I have a few kinks to fix mostly with kitting.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:22:08 »
Oh man I loved this series!

It's about time a set was themed on this.

Can there be more 1.25U and 1.5U novelties with the same 1U art?

For example, more range of apple novelty keycap sizes?

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:26:48 »
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.

That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.

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It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.

It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently. So...now what?

Here's a great example of another situation that was vaguely similar:

GMK Demon Sword was criticized a lot for looking like GMK Rudy. Raravin was also pressured heavily by Warren to change his colors even though Rudy's GB was long over, but ended up adding hiragana to the base kit to differentiate it, even though he didn't really want to.

Demon Sword reached MOQ and exceeded it handily.  IIRC his pre-extras numbers were better than Rudy.

These sets can coexist too.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:27:36 »
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.

That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.

Show Image


Show Image

It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.

It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently. So...now what?

While I am not really a fan of the color scheme of either... I did initially think this set was a rebrand of something I had seen before (which turns out to be Space Camp). While these may have been derived individually, it will set an interesting precedent should they both run. Could set the tone that similarities can be ignored in today's market.
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:46:31 »
Please consider adding 1.25u Fn key to the base kit as it's widely used in TKL, full size keyboard and many 65% layouts

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:47:24 »
Beautiful set, would love to see this become successful! Will definitely be picking up a set when the time comes

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 16:54:39 »
Damn I **** with this hard

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 17:14:11 »
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 17:21:21 »
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)
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Can we have the pic without the beige on the left

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #31 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 17:38:19 »
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)
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I could be wrong here, but I think most people would have believed you even if the scantily clothed figurines hadn't been included in your photo.

I am a fan of the colors tho, glwic

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #32 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 17:46:42 »
i love buying keycap sets based on a character the runner has most definitely jerked off to

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 18:38:14 »
Oh ****. 100% in on this.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 18:47:13 »


I'm sorry, but these are the exact same.

I get that they are different in theme, but at the same time, these sets cannot run at the same time.

Rudy and Demon Sword were different, they have different accents and alpha colors, which sets them apart from each other. 

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 19:25:29 »
I love Spice & Wolf. Best of luck with this set; I'll be keeping a close eye on it. Unfortunately I agree that in it's current for it does look waaay too much like Space Camp. But that's what ICs are for.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 19:41:25 »
holo is best girl

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 19:42:40 »
Please consider Rama art.
Red alu, apple design, filled with white enamel paint.
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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 20:12:32 »
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I'm sorry, but these are the exact same.

I get that they are different in theme, but at the same time, these sets cannot run at the same time.

Rudy and Demon Sword were different, they have different accents and alpha colors, which sets them apart from each other.



lol

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 20:22:44 »
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I'm sorry, but these are the exact same.

I get that they are different in theme, but at the same time, these sets cannot run at the same time.

Rudy and Demon Sword were different, they have different accents and alpha colors, which sets them apart from each other.

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lol

I don't see your point here. Space Camp is an original color scheme that is SIMILAR to classic sets. Saying this and space camp are more different than space camp and lets say, Red Alert, is not correct.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 22:23:19 »
So I'd like to additionally address the comparison made to another set. I just learned about the other set today. While there are similarities color, it seems they have different values for Hue, Lightness, and Chroma, especially since Space Camp uses Pantone colors. Though, I don't have a pantone book to compare physical samples, only RAL. I have been working on this set for quite some time before the other IC was posted. Also I waited over 14 weeks in a render queue with someone else before Bachoo picked up my request and saved me from my over 14 week wait. If you want to see where I got my inspiration from enjoy this picture :)
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I may be wrong but this image didn't seem necessary to post, lol

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 03 November 2020, 22:46:23 »
I don't see why similar color ways are such a big deal, they clearly have different inspirations but were just made around the same time.  They also are targeting different markets considering this is directly inspired by an anime character.  If similar colorways means more people can get sets that they like, and are of the based on something they like, the better for the consumers since this is a hobby that most of us are in for fun. 

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #42 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 01:18:40 »
Congratulations on this IC! Seems there's a lot of love for this set in thread, so I hope getting it to GB is a straightforward process for you and others.

That said, I do find it challenging to overlook similarities between this and Space Camp. One of these color palettes belongs to JTK Space Camp: MARS. The other is GMK Wise Wolf.

Show Image


Show Image

It doesn't take a lot of effort to figure out which is which, because we've been handed all six swatches across both ICs, but you could likely swap novelties or accents from one onto the other with almost zero impact to the on-desk aesthetic.

It really seems like the similarity is unintentional. I don't mean to call you out!! I guess my Q is to the long-time participants of the community in thread. Folks seem to love both sets, and designers have put lots of effort into both. They seem to have emerged independently.

So both sets should run if they get the vendor support and if one of them doesn't make MOQ, then it doesn't make MOQ. If both of them don't make MOQ, both of them don't make MOQ. This is a creator's industry. Copying your youtube format is completely fine. Copying your twitch format is completely fine. And seriously, if the only thing that makes the set unique is the colorway, really should reconsider how much work is put into the set. Doesn't take a lot of time to put colors into KLE and buy some renders.

Don't want your colors taken? Go from IC -> GB -> Production quicker. Just like how keyboards are doing now. Look at D65 and Vega65. In-stock and ready to ship far before any GB is done. Sell -> Ship faster if one wants to guarantee the spot. I could see the issue if someone was copying novelties like with gmk sumi. BUT even then, it's not like these sets have any proper IP usage. If you're gonna go licensed, go licensed. Otherwise, stop trying to split hairs and pretend to have ownership to colors lmao.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 02:00:49 »
Damn this guy was getting dumped on for being 'similar to GMK Delta': https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109334.0

yet look at the support here... not saying that this set isn't good, but I wish GH were not so rude to the other guy!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 02:19:52 »
Damn this guy was getting dumped on for being 'similar to GMK Delta': https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109334.0

yet look at the support here... not saying that this set isn't good, but I wish GH were not so rude to the other guy!

You're missing the point as to why that post was getting 'dumped' on. It was primarily not because it was similar to Delta, but because it was deemed low effort, without proper renders, kits, or actual physical colours such as Pantone or RAL colours. This on the other hand has proper renders, kits, and RAL colours. Delta has also already run while Space Camp is still in IC iirc.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 06:52:43 »
I dont see an issue, different inspirations. Sometimes cant  help cause it does match the inspiration. So many colorways go together that look good if we hate on everything that is similar we will run out of keysets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 07:25:39 »
It's unfortunate that you spent so much time creating this idea/IC, and how it so closely overlaps with Space Camp seems to be a coincidence. It's a shame.

But I do not think we, at large, should allow two sets that are nearly identical (without pulling out RAL/Pantone charts) to run - regardless of their manufacture.
It's not indicative of how the "respect system" we have unspokenly agreed upon, in this hobby, should operate.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 07:56:48 »
This looks very pretty. Definitely keeping an eye out. GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #48 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 09:58:45 »
Outstanding - 100% in!

Gotta say though... missed opportunity to call it "GMK Korbo" =P

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 10:13:02 »
I Love this! I would definitely build a board specifically for this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 12:47:36 »
Omg I love Holo

ne spice and wolf S3 avail T-T

that said, the kitting looks alright, though I'd probably remove some keys like
- Pg Up R3
- Pg Dn R4
- 1.5u Supers R4
- 2u Shift R4
for a bit of savings

And yes, yen sign on pipe please.

Other than that, definitely in my considerations. I'll post more if I get any more ideas (would suggest R5 bottom row but it'd probably get pricey)

Thank you for these suggestions. I have just updated the kitting and have uploaded the renders. These were thing's I overlooked during my kitting process.

Just some kitting thoughts:

Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style). Additionally, since you've got a mod colored ~` you might as well add a mod colored |\ key too.

For base, going with full UK iso, the extra 1.5u supers, 2u shift, and 2x1u ctrl/alt is making it pretty thicc and might push pricing.

Thank you for the suggestion about the extra tab the hiragana understand now why that's a thing. As for adding UK ISO in the base kit, as this is my first set, I feel having a separate MOQ for that kit may not be reaches. I did also remove a Pg Up and Pg Dn in my base kit to help with that cost.

Outstanding - 100% in!

Gotta say though... missed opportunity to call it "GMK Korbo" =P

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 12:52:04 »

Just some kitting thoughts:

Add an extra tab to your hiragana kit, it adds some flexibility so in theory someone can buy it and fill 2 different boards (e.g. 1 tsangan style, 1 standard style). Additionally, since you've got a mod colored ~` you might as well add a mod colored |\ key too.

For base, going with full UK iso, the extra 1.5u supers, 2u shift, and 2x1u ctrl/alt is making it pretty thicc and might push pricing.

Thank you for the suggestion about the extra tab the hiragana understand now why that's a thing. As for adding UK ISO in the base kit, as this is my first set, I feel having a separate MOQ for that kit may not be reaches. I did also remove a Pg Up and Pg Dn in my base kit to help with that cost.


I don't think you should do a separate ISO kit, for the reasons you mentioned.

I mean for most buyers, doing physical ISO support (via something like R3 |\ and r4 <>) is generally acceptable. The extra R1 caps just add a decent amount of fluff that don't really seem to make too much of a difference, in my experience at least.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 12:57:57 »
This is great! Holo is certainly best girl. Also, you should definitely try for an apple RAMA cap. That would tip the scales for sure.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #53 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 13:06:59 »
This is great! Holo is certainly best girl. Also, you should definitely try for an apple RAMA cap. That would tip the scales for sure.

Great idea but I already had that planned out if it was possible! I just need to get vendors secured before I start reaching out to people for any collab work.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 14:27:56 »
Update Log:
11/4/2020 - Fixed some kitting issues. In base kit removed a set of Pg Up and Pg Dn. Added Yen sign to hiragana kit, added mod color |\, and added extra tab. Added 1.75u concave in spacebars kit. Added 1.25 tab in the 40% kit.


I'm sorry, but most of these seem backwards from what they should be, lol. I recommend reverting all of them, except for the mod-colored 1.5u pipe and the 1.25u Tab in 40s.

Rather than removing keys for the most popular layout in the community (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for 65%), you should remove keys that are completely unused by any modern ≥60% layout (second 1u Ctrl) or keys that less than 3% of users in the community have a use for (ISO-UK–specific keys).

Also, having a yen sign in an ANSI-based set with hiragana sublegends is inaccurate. That should also be removed.

Spacekeys in a 40s kit are a must with GMK pricing (2× 1c, 2c, 2.25c, 2.75c). 1.75c shouldn't be in the spacebar kit (since there are no non-40% boards that use it), but rather the 40s kit, and only optionally at that.

I don't think you should do a separate ISO kit, for the reasons you mentioned.

I mean for most buyers, doing physical ISO support (via something like R3 |\ and r4 <>) is generally acceptable. The extra R1 caps just add a decent amount of fluff that don't really seem to make too much of a difference, in my experience at least.
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 14:48:11 »
Update Log:
11/4/2020 - Fixed some kitting issues. In base kit removed a set of Pg Up and Pg Dn. Added Yen sign to hiragana kit, added mod color |\, and added extra tab. Added 1.75u concave in spacebars kit. Added 1.25 tab in the 40% kit.


I'm sorry, but most of these are backwards from what they should be, lol. Revert all of them (except for the mod-colored 1.5u pipe and the 1.25u Tab in 40s).

Rather than removing keys for the most popular layout in the community (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn for 65%), you should remove keys that are completely unused on any modern ≥60% board (second 1u Ctrl) or keys that less than 3% of users in the community can use (ISO-UK).

Also, having a yen sign in an ANSI-based set with hiragana sublegends is inaccurate. That should also be removed.

Spacekeys in a 40s kit are a must with GMK pricing (2× 1c, 2c, 2.25c, 2.75c). 1.75c shouldn't be in the spacebar kit (since there are no non-40% boards that use it), but rather the 40s kit, and only optionally at that.

The inclusion of ISO-UK here is thematic and practical. If you'd read the thread you would understand that. Statistics aren't everything.

The set has a full column for 65% support.

1u R4 CTRL is used in some 1800 layouts, and mainstream 65% boards, as well as 60%s with righthand arrows. Nutty owns 3 of the latter. Let the him design to his preferences as well, the base kit has a lot of mainstream compatibility.

As far as "correct legends" go, there are differing opinions regarding ¥ on pipe/backslash. It seems that despite the fact you speak and complain with an authoritative manner as to legends so often, you're not always right.
« Last Edit: Wed, 04 November 2020, 14:49:42 by Xerpocalypse »

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 14:53:55 »
Advocating for the absence of ¥ is like being in favor of getting rid of tertiary legends for sublegend base kits, like in PuLSE's Arabic and Hangul kits. JIS-JP should be the standard to follow.

Likewise, for the 65% support, it's at least what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is. If you wanted R3 Pg Up and R4 Pg Dn, perhaps you might want to push for an "Extension" or different child kit of sorts. I would rather see the OP trim the fat on the base kit to keep costs as low as possible while maintaining a minimal standard for support of most layouts.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:21:14 »
The inclusion of ISO-UK here is thematic and practical. If you'd read the thread you would understand that. Statistics aren't everything.

The set has a full column for 65% support.

1u R4 CTRL is used in some 1800 layouts, and mainstream 65% boards, as well as 60%s with righthand arrows. Nutty owns 3 of the latter. Let the him design to his preferences as well, the base kit has a lot of mainstream compatibility.

As far as "correct legends" go, there are differing opinions regarding ¥ on pipe/backslash. It seems that despite the fact you speak and complain with an authoritative manner as to legends so often, you're not always right.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

You'll notice that, in my post, I mentioned that only the second 1u Ctrl key should be removed. As far as I'm aware, only OG Cherry G80-1800 boards supported a layout with two 1u Ctrl keys. I also think the only modern 1800 PCB that supports that particular bottom row configuration is Maarten's open-source GH80-1800. Please correct me if I'm wrong and if you know of any others. But this is the reason why I said that the second 1u Ctrl is not useful for modern ≥60% boards. Those board types you mentioned (and several others) do indeed use 1u Ctrl, but only one of them. So, keeping one in the kit is definitely recommended, whereas the second one can be removed.

I have not watched the anime that this set is based on, but reading through the thread I did not equate it being based in a medieval European setting with it being based in England. Maybe the idea is that UK keys have something inherently more medieval or European about them compared to the other options? I don't think that's true. Perhaps you disagree, and that's fine, but I still feel it's totally within reason for me to point out objective reasons for why I think it's bad to include certain less popular keys over other more popular keys. The motivation behind this is that supporting more popular layouts generally tends to lead to a set selling more kits.
Trends change quickly in this community, though, and as soon as I see UK keys jump in popularity like small spacekeys, F13, alternative right column / bottom row options etc. have over the past year, I will be the first one to start asking people to include them in their base kits. But so far that hasn't happened yet.

This set does indeed have a full column for 65% support. It also has a full bottom row for WKL/Tsangan/HHKB support; #~ and \| for ISO support; alpha-colored `~ and \| for ANSI support; etc. — yet it also includes some extra keys (1.5u Supers, full ISO-UK, 2u Shift etc.) on top of those. Those extra keys are not necessary in much the same way that R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are not necessary, yet they are still included in the kit.
My argument is that these keys are also worth including as much as, if not more so, than those other keys. This again is based on their current popularity in the community, which in turn is based on: how many people use them (photos on Discord, GH, r/mk), how many new sets include them, how many people ask for them in ICs, sales numbers of relevant keyboards, etc.
I also had another thought regarding these keys; see my reply to Mr. LightningXI below.

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Now, taking a step back and reading through my post, I definitely sounded like an *******. I apologize, it was not my intention. The post was written in a hurry, and I edited it a whole bunch of times to try and get everything I wanted to say in. In hindsight, I should have waited until I had time to write a proper post in which I could relay my thoughts and suggestions in a more appropriate manner. Instead, I ended up sounding like an abrasive, authoritative ****. Again, I apologize. I had no ill intentions, neither towards Nutty nor anyone else who may have helped with the design of this set. Despite not agreeing with some of the recent kitting decisions, I actually like the colorway very much. This sort of was the reason why I was somewhat taken aback seeing those changes made to a base kit that at first looked really appealing to me.

Regarding the ¥ issue, perhaps you could point me to other places (besides the GMK JIS WoB thread) where this was discussed in the context of sets with sublegends of this type, and where these differing opinions may have been presented with some argumentation? Would love to discuss. Speaking of which, I recommend reading through the entirety of the discussion in the thread you linked to to get a fuller picture, in order to hopefully avoid taking things out of context like that again in the future.
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:21:25 »
Advocating for the absence of ¥ is like being in favor of getting rid of tertiary legends for sublegend base kits, like in PuLSE's Arabic and Hangul kits. JIS-JP should be the standard to follow.

Well, JIS-JP does not have ¥ anywhere on the same layer as kana characters. By that logic, it would be even less correct to have it as a quaternary legend in a set like this. If we were to follow JIS-JP in this regard (which isn't entirely appropriate to begin with since the layouts are physically incompatible, and you end up with crucial characters missing altogether; see the ModernJA thread), the correct legend for the pipe key would be ¥|ー, not \|む¥. Either way you look at it, putting ¥ in that top-right position in GMK is inaccurate/misleading/misrepresents the layout (in fact, misrepresents both layouts, JIS-based and ANSI-based).

Honestly, I'm not seeing how this is analogous to removing tertiary legends in Arabic or Hangul kits like you mentioned. It really isn't, in my opinion; not at all. Consider the following:
  • In kits with Arabic sublegends:
    • Tertiary legends represent which Arabic letters you get when typing using the Arabic language layout.
    • Quaternary legends represent which Arabic letters you get while also holding Shift. (GMK Pulse did not have any quaternary legends in its Arabic kit.)

  • In kits with Hangul sublegends:
    • Tertiary legends represent which jamo you get when typing using the Korean language layout, in Hangul mode (toggled using the RAlt 한/영 key by default).
    • Quaternary legends represent which jamo you get in Hangul mode while also holding Shift (double consonants).
    • The won sign is on neither the tertiary (Hangul) nor quaternary (Hangul+Shift) “layers”, therefore it is not appropriate to put it in either of those positions on a keycap.
      Instead, the won sign is displayed as a graphical representation of the regular backslash \ character on PCs with the system locale set to KR. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's possible to type the actual Unicode ₩ character using standard Korean IMEs on PC.

  • In kits with hiragana/katakana sublegends:
    • Tertiary legends represent which kana or punctuation marks you get when typing using the Japanese language layout, in Kana mode (toggled using the Kana key on JIS, or Alt+~ on ANSI by default).
    • Quaternary legends represent which characters you get in kana mode while also holding Shift (small kana, を and a few additional punctuation marks).
    • The yen sign is on neither the tertiary (Kana) nor quaternary (Kana+Shift) “layers”, therefore it is not appropriate to put it in either of those positions on a keycap.
      Instead, the yen sign is available either as a graphical representation of the regular backslash character \ on PCs with the system locale set to JP; or as the base, non-Shifted output of the pipe key in IME mode (which is different from Kana mode).
For this reason, you could perhaps say that it would be appropriate to put ¥ (or, for that matter, ₩) in the base (bottom-left) position of the pipe keycap (¥|む, ₩|). That approach would be slightly more okay — but even then it's debatable, if the rest of the keycap set is based on US-ANSI. But as far as the top-right position for ¥ goes, that's inappropriate in any case.

But yeah, the point is that all of those layouts behave consistently, so I believe that our keycaps should be consistent with that behavior, too.

Of course, please feel free to correct me if I've gotten any of those specifics wrong, especially with regard to the Korean layout/IME (I've checked with two Korean users, but I don't use it myself so I can't be sure). This breakdown is primarily based on how these layouts work on Windows and Linux, and it doesn't take into account how they work on Mac (although it is similar) because layouts on Mac come with their own set of idiosyncrasies, and 99% of keycap sets are based on PC layouts anyway.


Likewise, for the 65% support, it's at least what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is. If you wanted R3 Pg Up and R4 Pg Dn, perhaps you might want to push for an "Extension" or different child kit of sorts. I would rather see the OP trim the fat on the base kit to keep costs as low as possible while maintaining a minimal standard for support of most layouts.

Well, first of all, they do complain. Here's a little compilation of posts asking for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to be included in ICs here on GH (not including my own posts). These are the result of a quick search of posts in the IC subforum over the past 6 months. Let's compare that to, say, posts asking for 1.5u Supers in that same time period (again, not including my own posts).

Posts asking for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Posts asking for 1.5u Super/Code/Command: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
Looks like it's pretty close.

Personally, I am a big fan of such “Extension” kits as it were, especially for “alternative” options such as R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, 1.5u Supers, full ISO-UK support etc. There are two main reasons why I did not suggest going that route here (and in most other sets' cases thus far):
  • The runner chose to have a comprehensive base kit that covers most popular layouts, and included “alternative keys” for several of those layouts (as described in my reply to Xerpocalypse). Therefore, I think that R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn would be appropriate inclusions in such a base kit. To a lesser extent, I also don't want to suggest the runner add any additional kits, seeing as this is GMK and also their very first keyset project (which, by the way, great job for a first project!).

  • Such extension kits don't seem to sell well. For example, GMK MoDo 2 and GMK Minimal 2's Addition kits only sold 6.8% and 10.5% of base kit sales, respectively, despite these kits being everything I could ask for (especially as a R1 owner of both sets, you bet I grabbed a couple). It's a fair assumption that, had this been some other set — say, one that had barely met 250 MOQ in base kit sales — an Addition kit such as this would not have met its MOQ, or would have needed to be bought out by vendors.

    On the other hand, I noticed that GMK Dolch R5's Extension kit did quite well in comparison (which I found a bit surprising, given its size), so something like that would, in my opinion, definitely be worth exploring in future sets. Also, I'm a big fan of super tiny extension kits, such as the one found in GMK Yuri R2, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that does (and especially how it's going to be priced; you know my R1 Yuri is aching for those accent arrow keys ;)).
I also think that, as we move forward and as base kits keep getting larger on average, it might be worth experimenting with merging the two right column options into a single one, using keys with generic legends.
« Last Edit: Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:25:30 by konstantin »

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:24:10 »
Advocating for the absence of ¥ is like being in favor of getting rid of tertiary legends for sublegend base kits, like in PuLSE's Arabic and Hangul kits. JIS-JP should be the standard to follow.

Well, JIS-JP does not have ¥ anywhere on the same layer as kana characters. By that logic, it would be even less correct to have it as a quaternary legend in a set like this. If we were to follow JIS-JP in this regard (which isn't entirely appropriate to begin with since the layouts are physically incompatible, and you end up with crucial characters missing altogether; see the ModernJA thread), the correct legend for the pipe key would be ¥|ー, not \|む¥. Either way you look at it, putting ¥ in that top-right position in GMK is inaccurate/misleading/misrepresents the layout (in fact, misrepresents both layouts, JIS-based and ANSI-based).

Honestly, I'm not seeing how this is analogous to removing tertiary legends in Arabic or Hangul kits like you mentioned. It really isn't, in my opinion; not at all. Consider the following:
  • In kits with Arabic sublegends:
    • Tertiary legends represent which Arabic letters you get when typing using the Arabic language layout.
    • Quaternary legends represent which Arabic letters you get while also holding Shift. (GMK Pulse did not have any quaternary legends in its Arabic kit.)

  • In kits with Hangul sublegends:
    • Tertiary legends represent which jamo you get when typing using the Korean language layout, in Hangul mode (toggled using the RAlt 한/영 key by default).
    • Quaternary legends represent which jamo you get in Hangul mode while also holding Shift (double consonants).
    • The won sign is on neither the tertiary (Hangul) nor quaternary (Hangul+Shift) “layers”, therefore it is not appropriate to put it in either of those positions on a keycap.
      Instead, the won sign is displayed as a graphical representation of the regular backslash \ character on PCs with the system locale set to KR. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's possible to type the actual Unicode ₩ character using standard Korean IMEs on PC.

  • In kits with hiragana/katakana sublegends:
    • Tertiary legends represent which kana or punctuation marks you get when typing using the Japanese language layout, in Kana mode (toggled using the Kana key on JIS, or Alt+~ on ANSI by default).
    • Quaternary legends represent which characters you get in kana mode while also holding Shift (small kana, を and a few additional punctuation marks).
    • The yen sign is on neither the tertiary (Kana) nor quaternary (Kana+Shift) “layers”, therefore it is not appropriate to put it in either of those positions on a keycap.
      Instead, the yen sign is available either as a graphical representation of the regular backslash character \ on PCs with the system locale set to JP; or as the base, non-Shifted output of the pipe key in IME mode (which is different from Kana mode).
For this reason, you could perhaps say that it would be appropriate to put ¥ (or, for that matter, ₩) in the base (bottom-left) position of the pipe keycap (¥|む, ₩|). That approach would be slightly more okay — but even then it's debatable, if the rest of the keycap set is based on US-ANSI. But as far as the top-right position for ¥ goes, that's inappropriate in any case.

But yeah, the point is that all of those layouts behave consistently, so I believe that our keycaps should be consistent with that behavior, too.

Of course, please feel free to correct me if I've gotten any of those specifics wrong, especially with regard to the Korean layout/IME (I've checked with two Korean users, but I don't use it myself so I can't be sure). This breakdown is primarily based on how these layouts work on Windows and Linux, and it doesn't take into account how they work on Mac (although it is similar) because layouts on Mac come with their own set of idiosyncrasies, and 99% of keycap sets are based on PC layouts anyway.


Likewise, for the 65% support, it's at least what 65% users expect in a base kit, and won't complain about if that's all there is. If you wanted R3 Pg Up and R4 Pg Dn, perhaps you might want to push for an "Extension" or different child kit of sorts. I would rather see the OP trim the fat on the base kit to keep costs as low as possible while maintaining a minimal standard for support of most layouts.

Well, first of all, they do complain. Here's a little compilation of posts asking for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to be included in ICs here on GH (not including my own posts). These are the result of a quick search of posts in the IC subforum over the past 6 months. Let's compare that to, say, posts asking for 1.5u Supers in that same time period (again, not including my own posts).

Posts asking for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
Posts asking for 1.5u Super/Code/Command: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
Looks like it's pretty close.

Personally, I am a big fan of such “Extension” kits as it were, especially for situating “alternative” options such as R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, 1.5u Supers, full ISO-UK support etc. There are two main reasons why I did not suggest going that route here (and in most other sets' cases thus far):
  • The runner chose to have a comprehensive base kit that covers most popular layouts, and included “alternative keys” for several of those layouts (as described in my reply to Xerpocalypse). Therefore, I think that R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn would be appropriate inclusions in such a base kit. To a lesser extent, I also don't want to suggest the runner add any additional kits, seeing as this is GMK and also their very first keyset project (which, by the way, great job for a first project!).

  • Such extension kits don't seem to sell well. For example, GMK MoDo 2 and GMK Minimal 2's Addition kits only sold 6.8% and 10.5% of base kit sales, respectively, despite these kits being everything I could ask for (especially as a R1 owner of both sets, you bet I grabbed a couple). It's a fair assumption that, had this been some other set — say, one that had barely met 250 MOQ in base kit sales — an Addition kit such as this would not have met its MOQ, or would have needed to be bought out by vendors.

    On the other hand, I noticed that GMK Dolch R5's Extension kit did quite well in comparison (which I found a bit surprising, given its size), so something like that would, in my opinion, definitely be worth exploring in future sets. Also, I'm a big fan of super tiny extension kits, such as the one found in GMK Yuri R2, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that does (and especially how it's going to be priced; you know my R1 Yuri is aching for those accent arrow keys ;)).

^^^ Plz include TLDR.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:32:28 »
^^^ Plz include TLDR.

tl;dr: I provide arguments for what I said previously and also apologize for coming off as an ******* initially.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 23:09:51 »
^^^ Plz include TLDR.

tl;dr: I provide arguments for what I said previously and also apologize for coming off as an ******* initially.

Thanks.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 04 November 2020, 23:52:02 »
essay

relatively new geek here but you seem to comment everywhere asking for these things. looks like youre quite the niche keycap representative but who here actually really knows just how important these keycap preferences really are. for all i know none of these fellow geeks youre speaking up for are even interested in this spice and wolf keyset. if there are a bunch of them im sure they will fill out the google form asking for it themselves and would be nice for them to comment in here about it too and then nuttykids3 will take it into consideration. you post a lot for these geeks in all the threads flooding them with essays that never go unnoticed but maybe the geeks that want this can ask for themselves. just cuz the examples you linked before were asking for other sets doesnt automatically mean their request should transfer over. they might not even care about this one and your essays might feel as if its a bigger problem than you seem to make it.

and even out of your 20 ex you link for the r3 pgup and r4 pgdn thats only 11 unique people with leexy asking 4x and oldcat asking 5x and motte asking 2x. not as important with these 1.5u super/command/code but there are only 13 unique people out of the 17 ex you give with customersupport asking 5x.


enough of this essay of my own. this is a nice keyset and happen to like it so i think nuttykids3 did a good job  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 02:46:43 »
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[Clipping this down so the quote is a bit shorter]

Now, taking a step back and reading through my post, I definitely sounded like an *******. I apologize, it was not my intention. The post was written in a hurry, and I edited it a whole bunch of times to try and get everything I wanted to say in. In hindsight, I should have waited until I had time to write a proper post in which I could relay my thoughts and suggestions in a more appropriate manner. Instead, I ended up sounding like an abrasive, authoritative ****. Again, I apologize. I had no ill intentions, neither towards Nutty nor anyone else who may have helped with the design of this set. Despite not agreeing with some of the recent kitting decisions, I actually like the colorway very much. This sort of was the reason why I was somewhat taken aback seeing those changes made to a base kit that at first looked really appealing to me.
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That was a lot to read through but thank you for that response. The original comment did come off a little harsh, however I do see now that you genuinely do care about the hobby. Those points you brought up gave me some information I didn’t know much about before. Additionally I was unaware about you and your track history of similar post, but now I see the context as why some stuff appeared there.

I will consider making a poll about the ¥ in the Google from about it in the future depending on how feedback goes. Lastly, I appreciate the apology and thank you for saying I’ve done great with the project so far and I’m glad your interested in this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 03:19:45 »
Guess I'm in and will buy everything I can  :))

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 05:12:46 »
Oh boy, the xolor police is in full force now. Even trying to dictate whether you are allowed to run this set or not.

GMK another weeb set doesn't appeal to me, but I am really tired of these people trying to enforce non-existent laws.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 05 November 2020, 09:27:32 »
Oh boy, the xolor police is in full force now. Even trying to dictate whether you are allowed to run this set or not.

GMK another weeb set doesn't appeal to me, but I am really tired of these people trying to enforce non-existent laws.

Frankly speaking, I only care about whether this + the other set run out of personal interest. My two keysets are scheduled for GB, and it'll be helpful to know how the community reacts to similar-looking keysets today versus even a year ago.

Luckily for nutty, every time I reply to some "color police" comment like this I bump their thread and provide a bit more visibility. :) Anyway: best of luck with GB, nutty.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 10:54:35 »
I love Holo so much. I never thought I'd be interested in a colorway related to her.

Also, and I mean this as an absolute compliment, this set looks like the farm/barnyard cousin of GMK Camping.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 10 November 2020, 21:57:56 »
There is absolutely zero question I'm in. If this launches I'm buying it no questions asked. I love holo

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 07:14:55 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 19:08:51 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 20:52:24 »
Would love to see hiragana sublegends in the base kit as opposed to its own kit as the inspiration comes from an anime, just my preference.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #72 on: Wed, 11 November 2020, 22:37:44 »
Definitely in on this, novelties got me hooked. Especially the tail at the corner of the spacebars. GLWIC

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 14 November 2020, 19:34:27 »
Just wanted to give a little update. I have a handled most of my proxies, but I'm still looking for a main vendor for my region. Thank you to everyone for filling out the IC form, I have received just under 60 replies so far and that's awesome! Most replies that I saw and wanted address were wanting to see more from this set such as deskmats and a metal/brass cap. I have ideas for mat designs and I am currently looking for an artist. As for the metal/brass cap I do have a design for it, I was waiting to secure more vendors before reaching out for potential collabs. Addition to that, I am also potentially open to other collabs like artisans, cables, and maybe a keyboard sleeve. I look forward to being able to share more news coming soon.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 16 November 2020, 07:53:32 »
Oh my gosh! This is a must cop from me! Please release this!!!!!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 17 November 2020, 18:23:55 »
I'm excited to share the new deskmat design with you all! I have one more in the works. I currently just added a mock up of it, but I will try to get actual renders done once I have both designs.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #76 on: Tue, 17 November 2020, 19:03:06 »
Please no centered design deskmat -- centered designs get covered when keyboards are placed on them  :))

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 18 November 2020, 19:37:58 »
Dang that mat looks nice. I'm definitely in for one of those.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 18 November 2020, 21:57:40 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #79 on: Wed, 18 November 2020, 21:59:44 »
Can we get a deskmat with Spice/Wise Wolf on it, she cute

Seeing a collab for an artisan keycap, if the escape novelty were aluminum and done by a company perhaps.

Regardless of collabs this is the cutest set in a while that I have seen and hope to pick this up.

Keep up the great work!
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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 01:18:35 »
If possible, pls have a SEA vendor for the set.

Btw, deskmat looking great :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 03:39:31 »
Novelty ISO enter key always gets bonus points from me.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 04:19:34 »
I've never watched spice and wolf, but this keyset makes me feel like i should
Love the color scheme, and thank you for adding an extra tab to the hiragana kit!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 15:35:03 »
If possible, pls have a SEA vendor for the set.

Btw, deskmat looking great :)

+1 for SEA.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 21 November 2020, 03:45:02 »
Thank you for the feedback on both the IC thread and the form. I have now spoken with iLumkb and they will be happy to run the set for the SEA region. I also did add the second deskmat design.

Please no centered design deskmat -- centered designs get covered when keyboards are placed on them  :))

As for the new deskmat design, I decided to purposely go with this style of a “centered” design as in this case it’s not to block much since the major design aspect of it is the symmetry of the cluster being the focus in a somewhat U-shaped pattern.

Additionally, with both my deskmats, I wanted to stray away from the typical minimalist vector-y designs and try something kind of unique. I hope you all enjoy them!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 21 November 2020, 10:54:05 »
Only thing I'm not fond of on this set is the S,W novelty keys. To me they feel like they
clash a bit, but then again I'm the only one complaining lol. If I had my choice i'd switch it to
a paw print and maybe come coins


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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 21 November 2020, 11:36:52 »
This color combo is PogChamp  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 21 November 2020, 18:57:08 »
Only thing I'm not fond of on this set is the S,W novelty keys. To me they feel like they
clash a bit, but then again I'm the only one complaining lol. If I had my choice i'd switch it to
a paw print and maybe come coins

Nah, you're not alone. It's the only kit I didn't check in the IC Form. The Ye Olde English homage to Spice & Wolf feels liks it clashes with both the normal base kit and the hiragana kit imho. I think a redesign might sway me though. Even a simple [Spice] and [Wolf] would be nice replacements for Ctrl and Alt. Maybe a Wolf head icon for the Win/Super keys as well.

But I've said, I already like this set and colorway so let's see what the results of the IC are.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 21 November 2020, 20:00:38 »
Oh, big fan of all things Spice and Wolf. Even backed the VR game which I never did get the key to...

I'm definitely in for at least the novelties. The red legends are a bit too bright for me and would have preferred having the same orange colour of the mods, maybe it's just the renders.

Question about the desk mats though. Could anyone tell me how these desk mats compare to common gaming style mouse pads like the Steelseries QCK in terms of usability/performance (friction, durability, cleanable?). It doesn't have to be these specific ones, which no one has yet, but similar themed desk mats you'd find with other keysets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 07:41:59 »
Only thing I'm not fond of on this set is the S,W novelty keys. To me they feel like they
clash a bit, but then again I'm the only one complaining lol. If I had my choice i'd switch it to
a paw print and maybe come coins

Nah, you're not alone. It's the only kit I didn't check in the IC Form. The Ye Olde English homage to Spice & Wolf feels liks it clashes with both the normal base kit and the hiragana kit imho. I think a redesign might sway me though. Even a simple [Spice] and [Wolf] would be nice replacements for Ctrl and Alt. Maybe a Wolf head icon for the Win/Super keys as well.

But I've said, I already like this set and colorway so let's see what the results of the IC are.

Yea, I was thinking of a wolf head icon too and something else. I just wasn't sold on it since I see alot of key's with wolf's head icons too.I was also thinking of replacing one of them with a Cart's Wheel as an idea. But yea, I'm really hoping they change the S&W.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:32:03 »
I thought about a wolf head but it felt kinda meme-y to since all I could think about was generic wolf howling in the moonlight designs lol.

I’m currently working on some changes to the novelties. I will be removing some keys while adding some new novelties which are in the works which will related to aspects of the series for travel and economy which I realize I missed those motifs.

My biggest priority is compatibility to the majority. So I’m making some conscious decisions while deciding what to remove and add since I want to keep cost down. This being my first set, I’m just trying to make sure I appeal to most people. Thank you to everyone so far for the support and feedback.

Extra note, I’m my last senior semester of college and finals are coming up so bare with me if there is a little silence.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 22 November 2020, 10:52:55 »
I thought about a wolf head but it felt kinda meme-y to since all I could think about was generic wolf howling in the moonlight designs lol.

I’m currently working on some changes to the novelties. I will be removing some keys while adding some new novelties which are in the works which will related to aspects of the series for travel and economy which I realize I missed those motifs.

My biggest priority is compatibility to the majority. So I’m making some conscious decisions while deciding what to remove and add since I want to keep cost down. This being my first set, I’m just trying to make sure I appeal to most people. Thank you to everyone so far for the support and feedback.

Extra note, I’m my last senior semester of college and finals are coming up so bare with me if there is a little silence.

Thanks for the heads up, man. Good luck with finals.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 29 November 2020, 05:26:18 »
Good luck with finals and finishing up school things!

I look forward to more for this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 29 November 2020, 19:18:08 »
Definitely Buying this!

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 09:29:27 »
I thought about a wolf head but it felt kinda meme-y to since all I could think about was generic wolf howling in the moonlight designs lol.

I’m currently working on some changes to the novelties. I will be removing some keys while adding some new novelties which are in the works which will related to aspects of the series for travel and economy which I realize I missed those motifs.

My biggest priority is compatibility to the majority. So I’m making some conscious decisions while deciding what to remove and add since I want to keep cost down. This being my first set, I’m just trying to make sure I appeal to most people. Thank you to everyone so far for the support and feedback.

Extra note, I’m my last senior semester of college and finals are coming up so bare with me if there is a little silence.

For what it's worth, the baked in UK ISO support is deeply appreciated.

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Re: [IC] GMK Wise Wolf (New Deskmat Design)
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 30 November 2020, 16:52:29 »
This will be my set of 2021. It looks so good!