Elephant in the Room: Dorkvader the mod owes me over $550

[demik]

I would like to say I'm really proud of our community for some of the stuff posted about how to pursue a resolution. Let's get this figured out.

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Change it to rude mod

[Remenition]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

[demik]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

And yet he has a lot of male groupies

[Lastpilot]

when i've asked mods to resolve issues, i'll just give you the same answer they gave me.

buyer beware.

So whats its going to be, mods resolve the problem and open the flood gates?, or say too bad so sad, sorry one of our own took  your money and ran.

Seriously dude, what's your beef?

Your many posts on this subject continue to baffle me.  So I will ask you once again - what can the mod team do in the case of a deal gone bad?  Would you like us to visit the member in question and rough 'em up?  Force them to pay/ship their package?  Ban them to ensure you never receive the item?  I just don't get it. 

However...

In this case, it's slightly different.  (yay!)
The whole moderator aspect is something to consider, and is something we actually have control over.  But that still doesn't explain your burning desire to slam the mod team for events entirely outside of our control, so my request still stands.

rekt

[nubbinator]

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Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

And yet he has a lot of male groupies

And damnik has all the honeys fighting to be his bae.

[demik]

Hm damnik. I like that

[Remenition]

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Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

And yet he has a lot of male groupies

And damnik has all the honeys fighting to be his bae.

honey... bees?

[hwood34]

[vivalarevolución]

Mmmmm, I love the smell of dirty laundry.

[Remenition]

Mmmmm, I love the smell of dirty laundry.

smells like broken friendships and empty wallets

[demik]

Mmmmm, I love the smell of dirty laundry.

Panty fetish? Wrong thread bruh

[beehatch]

Mmmmm, I love the smell of dirty laundry.

Panty fetish? Wrong thread bruh

ya stfu guys, getting too sexual in here

[tp4tissue]

Mmmmm, I love the smell of dirty laundry.

Panty fetish? Wrong thread bruh

ya stfu guys, getting too sexual in here

Not again..

[Jixr]

when i've asked mods to resolve issues, i'll just give you the same answer they gave me.

buyer beware.

So whats its going to be, mods resolve the problem and open the flood gates?, or say too bad so sad, sorry one of our own took  your money and ran.

Seriously dude, what's your beef?

Your many posts on this subject continue to baffle me.  So I will ask you once again - what can the mod team do in the case of a deal gone bad?  Would you like us to visit the member in question and rough 'em up?  Force them to pay/ship their package?  Ban them to ensure you never receive the item?  I just don't get it. 

However...

In this case, it's slightly different.  (yay!)
The whole moderator aspect is something to consider, and is something we actually have control over.  But that still doesn't explain your burning desire to slam the mod team for events entirely outside of our control, so my request still stands.

rekt

I'm just pointing out the obvious nature of all this. Don't send people money over the internet with a promise for exchange for goods and services. Most people will have no problems, but there is always the risk for this kinda stuff to happen.

Aside from pulling moderator status, I don't feel like they(mods) should do anything else to sway this one way or another.(as your right, they can't ) This site is rampant with false deadlines, misleading info, etc. and people need to know about the dangers of it all. Nothing here is guaranteed; written, implied or otherwise. As a buyer/seller here, you have zero rights to a refund, exchange, replacement, etc.

I don't personally feel like that is explained well enough ( as probably most buyers/sellers have never read the sticky )
But i'm like everyone else here, an opinionated butthead on the internet, who plays the same game as every other buyer/seller here does. Give money and hope you get something in return.

I don't like the idea of going after one person in a personal dispute ( though I've voiced my aggression in group buys, considering there are many more people & money involved )

But i'm just a rando on the internet, take is as you see it. I've nothing against the mods, a community that's so willing to throw money around based on .jpg's and ideas can get a bit dangerous.

[tp4tissue]

Tp4,  100% verified trader..

100% on time payment

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Tp4 Legit - over 9000

[fohat.digs]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

Pretty sure that berserkfan is married with children.

[HoffmanMyster]

I'm just pointing out the obvious nature of all this. Don't send people money over the internet with a promise for exchange for goods and services. Most people will have no problems, but there is always the risk for this kinda stuff to happen.

Aside from pulling moderator status, I don't feel like they(mods) should do anything else to sway this one way or another.(as your right, they can't ) This site is rampant with false deadlines, misleading info, etc. and people need to know about the dangers of it all. Nothing here is guaranteed; written, implied or otherwise. As a buyer/seller here, you have zero rights to a refund, exchange, replacement, etc.

I don't personally feel like that is explained well enough ( as probably most buyers/sellers have never read the sticky )
But i'm like everyone else here, an opinionated butthead on the internet, who plays the same game as every other buyer/seller here does. Give money and hope you get something in return.

I don't like the idea of going after one person in a personal dispute ( though I've voiced my aggression in group buys, considering there are many more people & money involved )

But i'm just a rando on the internet, take is as you see it. I've nothing against the mods, a community that's so willing to throw money around based on .jpg's and ideas can get a bit dangerous.

* HoffmanMyster is officially baffled

We've literally had entire conversations about this, and never once did this appear to be your viewpoint.

[tjcaustin]

I'm just pointing out the obvious nature of all this. Don't send people money over the internet with a promise for exchange for goods and services. Most people will have no problems, but there is always the risk for this kinda stuff to happen.

Aside from pulling moderator status, I don't feel like they(mods) should do anything else to sway this one way or another.(as your right, they can't ) This site is rampant with false deadlines, misleading info, etc. and people need to know about the dangers of it all. Nothing here is guaranteed; written, implied or otherwise. As a buyer/seller here, you have zero rights to a refund, exchange, replacement, etc.

I don't personally feel like that is explained well enough ( as probably most buyers/sellers have never read the sticky )
But i'm like everyone else here, an opinionated butthead on the internet, who plays the same game as every other buyer/seller here does. Give money and hope you get something in return.

I don't like the idea of going after one person in a personal dispute ( though I've voiced my aggression in group buys, considering there are many more people & money involved )

But i'm just a rando on the internet, take is as you see it. I've nothing against the mods, a community that's so willing to throw money around based on .jpg's and ideas can get a bit dangerous.

* HoffmanMyster is officially baffled

We've literally had entire conversations about this, and never once did this appear to be your viewpoint.

Not for nothing, but that's what it read to me.  Just a neutral "the mods can't really do anything without now doing it for everything"

[HoffmanMyster]

I'm just pointing out the obvious nature of all this. Don't send people money over the internet with a promise for exchange for goods and services. Most people will have no problems, but there is always the risk for this kinda stuff to happen.

Aside from pulling moderator status, I don't feel like they(mods) should do anything else to sway this one way or another.(as your right, they can't ) This site is rampant with false deadlines, misleading info, etc. and people need to know about the dangers of it all. Nothing here is guaranteed; written, implied or otherwise. As a buyer/seller here, you have zero rights to a refund, exchange, replacement, etc.

I don't personally feel like that is explained well enough ( as probably most buyers/sellers have never read the sticky )
But i'm like everyone else here, an opinionated butthead on the internet, who plays the same game as every other buyer/seller here does. Give money and hope you get something in return.

I don't like the idea of going after one person in a personal dispute ( though I've voiced my aggression in group buys, considering there are many more people & money involved )

But i'm just a rando on the internet, take is as you see it. I've nothing against the mods, a community that's so willing to throw money around based on .jpg's and ideas can get a bit dangerous.

* HoffmanMyster is officially baffled

We've literally had entire conversations about this, and never once did this appear to be your viewpoint.

Not for nothing, but that's what it read to me.  Just a neutral "the mods can't really do anything without now doing it for everything"

I hate to take this too far off topic, but the reason I interpreted it otherwise is because of the many similar posts he has made in other threads calling for some action from the mod team.  I've even received some PMs (I asked for them, so it's appreciated) on the matter, so it's just very shocking to me to learn that this was the intent all along.

[Jixr]

i have no intent or angle that i'm playing, and views can change.


Since nothing can be done from an overseer standpoint, might as well just try to convey the risk involved to everyone participating in buys/sales/etc. as clearly as possible.

but you're right, this is too OT.

Back to the show.

[demik]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

Pretty sure that berserkfan is married with children.

Failing to see your point

[fohat.digs]

Failing to see your point

Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. Never mind.

[Herothereu]

No response from Dorkvader.

First moderator to BAN himself?

 )

[Venatorious]

No response from Dorkvader.

First moderator to BAN himself?

 )

He hasn't replied to my PM either... 

[neverused]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

Would that make him a Playboy... bunny?

[tp4tissue]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

Would that make him a Playboy... bunny?

[KatzenKinder]

Obviously, berserkfan needs to quit spending his money on dorkvader, start spending it on a girlfriend, then send that girlfriend to knock on dorkvader's door.

girl... friend? elaborate.

I was also recently made aware that many-many Geekhackers haz girlfriends..

OH Gawwd the Betrayal...

#Ronery4ever

there might be a correlation between amount of artisans + keyboards and how attractive you are. in other words, bunny gets ****.

Would that make him a Playboy... bunny?

10/10

[Air tree]

Dorkvader is online, lets see if anything comes of it.


I hope this doesn't get any worse. Sometimes drama is not fun...

[nubbinator]

Dorkvader is online, lets see if anything comes of it.


I hope this doesn't get any worse. Sometimes drama is not fun...

[mecano]

I can also vouch for berserkfan, guy was a pleasure to chat and deal with.

+1

I've had many PM's through my entire time at geekhack with berserkfan including his sharing some of what has been posted about here.

Me too, while being quiet young here around, we did some swaps recently and it was both easy smooth and funny! Always a good word.
Wish you get this sorted out. best.

[Venatorious]

Except the newbies,  they need another 1000 posts for me to care for them..

[tp4tissue]

Except the newbies,  they need another 1000 posts for me to care for them..

You only need 898 m0ar posts.  You have \102\ total including OT-posts which don't register under post count.

[Venatorious]

Do my posts on DT and reddit count?

Also, dorkvader replied to my PM, he gave me the details but its personal so I won't share.  I will say there is more to this than meets the eye.

[trees]

I will say there is more to this than meets the eye.

Why would he not post here then when he was online?

[0100010]

I have previously done buisness with berserkfan(actually writing on his caps now ) He told me at that time(7-8 months ago) that i should send my money to dorkvader instead as he was working on a project for him, so i did, i dont remember the details i can check my pms later. Ive spoken alot with berserkfan through my time at gh and think he is a standup guy and i dont missbelief what he is saying for a second.

PPL saying that you shouldnt trust a stranger with your money...Come on, have you never sent a fellow gher money for an item on the classifieds. Dorkvader needs to explain himself.

I myself was involved in a similar situation with a known gh member with around half of what dorkvader owes berserk and it was not pleasant. Hope he starts paying up..



Edit: Attached,Here is the money i sent to him. Note: I have never bought anything from dorkvader, this was on behalf of berserk

My two cents pretty much reflect what is in bold above.  Though - I believe I sent funds for my purchases directly to berserkfan and not to DV.

[Huxley2500]

Awww, I was hoping for elephants.

[paicrai]

so, is he ever going to get his over five fifty american pesos?

[MJ45]

I will say there is more to this than meets the eye.

Why would he not post here then when he was online?

[katushkin]

A lot of the time, responding to your own callout threads doesn't really achieve much. You either get ganged up on, or you don't resolve the problem and people tell you to go to PMs.

I'm not surprised DV hasn't replied to this thread.

[Jokrik]

I fail to see an elephant in the room
At least post a picture of an elephant

Pretty sure Dork would sort this out, I business with him in the past and was smooth

[ander]

If it's mostly for projects, isn't DV like notoriously slow with that?  Like I know cptbadass waited over a year to get a kitty paw from him and he wasn't the only one that had a long wait like that.

I'm really surprised all this is happening... I've always known Dorkvader to be an excellent guy. Honestly, I think he's just a perfectionist, and that's why he takes so much time with everything. If you've seen anything he's worked on, it's not just good, it's as good as it could possibly be. (CPTBadAss's cat's paw is a fine example.) I'd even go as far as to say that, when it comes to electronics, he's an artist.

Back at the end of February, I sent him some dough for a Model M he'd bolt-modded, and for a Model F AT he was going to convert to ANSI for me.

The Model M arrived a couple of weeks later, and it was (and is) fantastic. (It's the one he did in his pictorial here.)

I'm still waiting on the AT, but DV has regularly updated me on its progress. He's never done this particular mod and had to get some extra tools for it.

He's also has a full-time job now. He's not only doing repairs, but training other staff members and working directly with customers. From what I can tell (and just knowing how he is), he's putting in significantly more work than they actually require.

Consequently, he's had a very limited amount of time for keyboard stuff over the last few months. But he's always kept me up-to-date, in great detail, on what was going on. And considering the exceptional quality of his work—and how much I've enjoyed communicating with him—I don't mind the wait.

I don't know BerserkFan much, except that he's said some pretty funny things on the forum that've made me LOL.

I'm sure there's a logical explanation for all this, and I'm guessing it has to do with DV's insistence on doing everything ultra-well. You just can't rush things like that. Maybe DV doesn't think some of us would understand his attitude, and just think he was dragging his feet. (I know I'd understand, as that's how I approach my music and technical writing.)

And maybe he hasn't posted here because he's somewhat shy. I'd feel shy, too, if I thought that people were lurking somewhere, ready to pounce on me as soon as I appeared. And frankly, that's what it feels like in this topic.

Having said all that, I agree that it doesn't reflect well on GH in general to have accusations of dishonesty floating around about one of its moderators (presumably one of the site's most responsible people). So the quicker all this can be cleared up, the better for everyone.

I've participated in countless forums over the years, and computer BBSs before that. (If you even know what those are, you must be getting on like me!) BBSs had a big advantage because they were local. Inevitably, conflicts flared up on them; then there'd be a get-together somewhere in town, and as soon as they saw each other, the people who'd squabbled would realize they'd just had a misunderstanding—which is VERY easy to do in text. I'm sure that if we could all meet in person somehow, this would be quickly and amicably resolved.

[Venatorious]

^^Sound logic here^^ 

[fohat.digs]

3600 views and 140 replies, and still DV remains silent and missing? Others need to stop speaking for him.

[heedpantsnow]

If it's mostly for projects, isn't DV like notoriously slow with that?  Like I know cptbadass waited over a year to get a kitty paw from him and he wasn't the only one that had a long wait like that.

I'm really surprised all this is happening... I've always known Dorkvader to be an excellent guy. Honestly, I think he's just a perfectionist, and that's why he takes so much time with everything. If you've seen anything he's worked on, it's not just good, it's as good as it could possibly be. (CPTBadAss's cat's paw is a fine example.) I'd even go as far as to say that, when it comes to electronics, he's an artist.

Back at the end of February, I sent him some dough for a Model M he'd bolt-modded, and for a Model F AT he was going to convert to ANSI for me.

The Model M arrived a couple of weeks later, and it was (and is) fantastic. (It's the one he did in his pictorial here.)

I'm still waiting on the AT, but DV has regularly updated me on its progress. He's never done this particular mod and had to get some extra tools for it.

He's also has a full-time job now. He's not only doing repairs, but training other staff members and working directly with customers. From what I can tell (and just knowing how he is), he's putting in significantly more work than they actually require.

Consequently, he's had a very limited amount of time for keyboard stuff over the last few months. But he's always kept me up-to-date, in great detail, on what was going on. And considering the exceptional quality of his work—and how much I've enjoyed communicating with him—I don't mind the wait.

I don't know BerserkFan much, except that he's said some pretty funny things on the forum that've made me LOL.

I'm sure there's a logical explanation for all this, and I'm guessing it has to do with DV's insistence on doing everything ultra-well. You just can't rush things like that. Maybe DV doesn't think some of us would understand his attitude, and just think he was dragging his feet. (I know I'd understand, as that's how I approach my music and technical writing.)

And maybe he hasn't posted here because he's somewhat shy. I'd feel shy, too, if I thought that people were lurking somewhere, ready to pounce on me as soon as I appeared. And frankly, that's what it feels like in this topic.

Having said all that, I agree that it doesn't reflect well on GH in general to have accusations of dishonesty floating around about one of its moderators (presumably one of the site's most responsible people). So the quicker all this can be cleared up, the better for everyone.

I've participated in countless forums over the years, and computer BBSs before that. (If you even know what those are, you must be getting on like me!) BBSs had a big advantage because they were local. Inevitably, conflicts flared up on them; then there'd be a get-together somewhere in town, and as soon as they saw each other, the people who'd squabbled would realize they'd just had a misunderstanding—which is VERY easy to do in text. I'm sure that if we could all meet in person somehow, this would be quickly and amicably resolved.

#1 post right there. Well said. (And I'm with you on the old school BBS culture..)

The sooner we can resolve this the better. I do believe that the moderation team has a right to step in in this case since DV's conduct (positive or negative) reflect on the community.

I think in times like these it's best to reread your post several times and wait a little while before hitting Submit on that thing.

Lastly, I would just like to say Thank you for your input.

[berserkfan]

It's been a week and I see 143 replies. The only person who matters, DV, has not contacted me nor repaid.

I'm not too suprised here, since he's something like autistic in a way, and is totally capable of ignoring me like he did maybe a hundred PMs from me in the past year. I am almost tempted to send Dorkvader another geeky discussion on philosophy or ethics just to provoke another immediate, considered, lengthy but hypocritical and hypothetical reply from him.

Pardon me those who posted words of support on this thread. I didn't want to read any of the replies on this thread because I really don't like to deal with a firestorm (whether directed at me or Dorkvader). In fact I am like, my god, this really happened, what I didn't want to happen, happened. I wanted to put some pressure on DV to make good his agreements, but a firestorm appeared and still nothing constructive resulted.

Just to address the people who claim DV is slow because he's perfectionist: I know DV can be perfectionist. But there is nothing perfectionist about returning money that you promised to return many months ago, after it was conditionally given to you but demanded back after you defaulted on many other agreements over a long period of time, and avoided the benefactor studiously for months to boot? For those urging patience and more patience, put your money where your mouth is, send me $550, and practice a similar level of understanding on my 'perfectionism' when I don't return that money.

I believe in action, and I believe in putting your money where your mouth is. I bet $550 that none of you will send me $550 and keep quiet for the next 12 months, without making a single post on geekhack, even after I've ignored all your attempts to communicate with you regards the return of said funds. If any one of you can send me that $550 and keep quiet for a year as I ignore you, you will get $1100 back as well as the title of Most Patient/ Naive Geekhacker which will be on my permanent signature henceforth. Also kindly note that originally I entrusted Dorkvader with far more money and goods than that, and also gave him a lot of gifts that he liked.

As promised, I will lock this thread. DV has already been informed via PM of my intention to contact his parents and employer if I am not made good by September.

[dorkvader]

everyone seems to want me to respond to this. As far as I was concerned, this was a private matter between the two of us, and I have already given my response to berserkfan via PM and email. Not happy with that, berserkfan tried to manipulate me through my friends and fellow mods, and finally publicly here.

FRom my perspective here is the heavily abridged version: berserkfan gave me money to develop KB stuff (specifically model F and hall effect stuff). There was no time limit. He also sent me some KBs to desolder which I did not do in a satisfactory time (I am well known for taking forever to complete projects. I tell anyone to please remind me). I have since mailed him everything that I promised and more. I suspect the USPS lost it if he didn't receive.

I am not returning any donations because I am still using them to develop hall effect. This will be a long process. I have already spent quite a bit of it on various aspects.

If anyone wants to know the details of our original agreement, I've quoted the PM below. You might want to examine the parts concerning the time frame and especially the "no worries if you are unsuccessful" part.

I also have a proposal to make.

See, I have tons of modding projects, tons of things to learn (eg CAD) and will probably not have time to do them all in the next few years. I don’t see myself doing much buying ever again unless it is for rare Model Fs, parts necessary for modding, etc. Even things like switch moddable plates I'm going to get them made locally.

I still have various small things to sell. Mainly: sorted out keycaps from the crap bags, plus lots and lots of switches that I no longer want (tons of brown and black switches in particular). This means I will have lots of small buyers send me a few bucks here, $40 there.

I don’t need this money. It is discretionary money and would have been turned around to buy other things for fun eventually. Getting that money back into my Singapore bank account is also a PITA. I hate paypal and don’t want them to collect lots of little fees from me, and they will charge me four times (once for incoming payments 4.4% +$0.3, once for currency conversion, once for bank transfer basic 2.5%, and once for minimum fee for all transfers under $200 Singapore dollars) And I can’t gift from a Singapore account, so paypal will suck fees again if I should send anybody money. Long and short is, they know very well how to make money off other people, and I don’t want to give these scumbags the chance.

So I want to avoid using PP as much as possible or leaving money in my PP account.

And I’m thinking; maybe I can fund you again. This is going to be totally different from proxy shipping. There is no time sensitive stuff involved. Going forward most of my parts are generic electronics and going to come from China anyway, and if there is something that is time sensitive, we’ll talk about it first to make sure you can send it in timely fashion.

I want to support your Model F efforts (I see WCass’ project coming along well) and I want to support your Hall Effect plans. How about I just treat all future sales I make as ‘donations’ to Dorkvader? I’ll just tell people to pay by gift to you. It’ll just be a load of small sums over the next year or two coming from my keycaps, stabilzers, spare parts and switches.

If your projects are unsuccessful, no worries. Donators everywhere are aware that the causes they give money to are not always successful. If you have success, you know what to do. Send me working prototypes, or something from your first production run, give a discount when you do produce that Hall Effect keyboard, whatever you think is fair.

Per the above, I have a hall effect KB set aside to mail him when I am done, if he still wants it.